Frog Song vs Tsukuyomi

[BlackFlame44]

What's your point? They don't have cars, cell phones, computers, etc. Making completely noise cancelling ear buds isn't that simple. Most ear buds still let some noise through.

Shikamaru had some in a filler lol... And kabuto had surveillance cameras and a computer

 

[BlackFlame44]

Tsukuyomi can also catch multiple opponents if they will all look into Itachi's eyes, so Asuma and Kurenai would have been along with Kakashi. Audio based Genjutsus are also simply countered with mere Fuuton, as proved by Temari who blew Tayuya's sound away. Shikamaru also freed himself by causing pain to himself, as Genjutsu in the end stays Genjutsu.

Tsukuyomi has a heavier impact at one individual. Tsukuyomi is cast with one contact and can adopt magnitudes where you are left mentally destroyed in hospital for weeks without further hope of recovery. I believe in magnitudes of Tsukuyomi which could kill you. As this technique is instant, partner tactics won't gonna work, neither your partner nor your Bijuu could free you from it while they could in the case of you being trapped into a sound Genjutsu. There is also the fact that if you avoid eye contact for the matter of Tsukuyomi, you are put into the disadvantage of the inability of fully concentrating on the target, giving him more openings. As long as you are not like Kabuto, who can block his vision while using the distinct sensing and perceptual ability of the Sage Mode, simple sensing skills will not allow you to actively fight an Uchiha with closed eyes.

Tsukuyomi > Frog Song.

Tsukuyomi can kill now? Scans please?

 

[Ovan]

Both have had great success.

 

[Prince Charles]

Sorry but nagato didn't slip he knew which technique itachi was gonna use

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Besides skilled sensors can tell which type of technique is gonna come. Like shee likened susanoo to sasuke's genjutsu because they are both yin release.

He sensed amaterasu but amaterasu did not come out he was simply wrong. Anways I do want to dwell on this matter. Regarding Shee I do not really understand what you were trying to say. Shee never sensed the genjutsu. Shee finally realized he was in the genjutsu when he practically was already in it[

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]. Not too mention he still even questioned if it was actually a genjutsu. Either way I can care less. Tysukuyomi is simply the better overall jutsu.

 

[Gerkak]

Tsukuyomi can also catch multiple opponents if they will all look into Itachi's eyes, so Asuma and Kurenai would have been along with Kakashi. Audio based Genjutsus are also simply countered with mere Fuuton, as proved by Temari who blew Tayuya's sound away. Shikamaru also freed himself by causing pain to himself, as Genjutsu in the end stays Genjutsu.

Tsukuyomi has a heavier impact at one individual. Tsukuyomi is cast with one contact and can adopt magnitudes where you are left mentally destroyed in hospital for weeks without further hope of recovery. I believe in magnitudes of Tsukuyomi which could kill you. As this technique is instant, partner tactics won't gonna work, neither your partner nor your Bijuu could free you from it while they could in the case of you being trapped into a sound Genjutsu. There is also the fact that if you avoid eye contact for the matter of Tsukuyomi, you are put into the disadvantage of the inability of fully concentrating on the target, giving him more openings. As long as you are not like Kabuto, who can block his vision while using the distinct sensing and perceptual ability of the Sage Mode, simple sensing skills will not allow you to actively fight an Uchiha with closed eyes.

Tsukuyomi > Frog Song.

Nice response but frog song paralyses both the body and the mind so a partner won't help. That was why pain had no choice but to sacrifice those bodies. And had to revive them with narka path. Once you are hit by frog song your body is useless and your mind only works in the illusion.

 

[Blaze Release]

Equal.

Gama rinsho takes way too much time.

First of all it requires a lot of sage chakra that i suppose needs to be absorbed

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After that, both of them have to be in sync

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It also gives away their position

Finally its a duet. Meaning it cannot be prepared by either. Killing one nullifies the technique


It affects more than 1 person
Almost impossible to evade
Paralysis

Tsukuyomi Can be nullified by not making eye contact
Mastered uchiha with sharingan can nullify it
Worsens your eyesight with every use
Restricted to 1 vs 1 mostly and chakra taxing



Allows itachi to play god. Everything, from mass, time and space all under his control
Only mastered uchiha's with sharingan can nullify it
Rapes when gotten right
Activation time is short and technique duration is instant

 

[Gerkak]

He sensed amaterasu but amaterasu did not come out he was simply wrong. Anways I do want to dwell on this matter. Regarding Shee I do not really understand what you were trying to say. Shee never sensed the genjutsu. Shee finally realized he was in the genjutsu when he practically was already in it[

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]. Not too mention he still even questioned if it was actually a genjutsu. Either way I can care less. Tysukuyomi is simply the better overall jutsu.

Just say you prefer tsukuyomi. Because you just disregarded the scan I used. Nagato sensed amaterasu. it was clearly shown that amaterasu was gonna be used. If the crow with shisui's eye didn't show up.

 

[Strict]

Tsukuyomi can kill now? Scans please?

I said that I believe it, since it appears logical for me that one's mentality and psyche has a limit of how much it can endure, just like one's physical durability. There are no limits of pain and mental pressure Itachi can cause within Tsukuyomi.

 

[Avinash012]

He sensed amaterasu but amaterasu did not come out he was simply wrong. Anways I do want to dwell on this matter. Regarding Shee I do not really understand what you were trying to say. Shee never sensed the genjutsu. Shee finally realized he was in the genjutsu when he practically was already in it[

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]. Not too mention he still even questioned if it was actually a genjutsu. Either way I can care less. Tysukuyomi is simply the better overall jutsu.

Nah it was actually Amaterasu but that crow stoped Ama by castng KA on Itachi.......!

 

[Klaves]

Shikamaru had some in a filler lol... And kabuto had surveillance cameras and a computer

But it's not a "gg" when no shinobi have them outside of filler. You know what I mean though about it not really being modern. They have less than half of what we do.

 

[BlackFlame44]

I said that I believe it, since it appears logical for me that one's mentality and psyche has a limit of how much it can endure, just like one's physical durability. There are no limits of pain and mental pressure Itachi can cause within Tsukuyomi.

Maybe but I doubt it seeing as he hasn't shown anything extreme yet

 

[TrollingSage]

He sensed amaterasu but amaterasu did not come out he was simply wrong. Anways I do want to dwell on this matter. Regarding Shee I do not really understand what you were trying to say. Shee never sensed the genjutsu. Shee finally realized he was in the genjutsu when he practically was already in it[

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]. Not too mention he still even questioned if it was actually a genjutsu. Either way I can care less. Tysukuyomi is simply the better overall jutsu.

Itachi's eyes were bleeding. Thats 100% proof he was about to cast amaterasu. It didnt happen because the crow appeared and gave him control of his body

 

[Gerkak]

Nah it was actually Amaterasu but that crow stoped Ama by castng KA on Itachi.......!

The guy dosen't want to accept it.

 

[Prince Charles]

Strict also brought up a good point. People fail to realize that tysukuyomi can also trap multiple people if Itachi wants to. It was already displayed that kakashi put 2 anbu members under a sleeping genjutsu at the same time[

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]. Keeping that in mind as strict pointed out kakashi warped both kurenai and asuma to not look at Itachis eyes or they both would had falling victim to the tysukuyomi. So adding kakashi + Asuma + Kurenai that equals to 3 people that would had fallen victim to Itachis tysukuyomi back in part 1 at the same time. So as i said before Tysukuyomi is better overall. Frog simply has range over tysukuyomi.

 

[Prince Charles]

Itachi's eyes were bleeding. Thats 100% proof he was about to cast amaterasu. It didnt happen because the crow appeared and gave him control of his body

Meh I was probably wrong. Like I said I can care less tbh.

 

[BlackFlame44]

Strict also brought up a good point. People fail to realize that tysukuyomi can also trap multiple people if Itachi wants to. It was already displayed that kakashi put 2 anbu members under a sleeping genjutsu at the same time[

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]. Keeping that in mind as strict pointed out kakashi warped both kurenai and asuma to not look at Itachis eyes or they both would had falling victim to the tysukuyomi. So adding kakashi + Asuma + Kurenai that equals to 3 people that would had fallen victim to Itachis tysukuyomi back in part 1 at the same time. So as i said before Tysukuyomi is better overall. Frog simply has range over tysukuyomi.

It's only practical vs one person... multiple people will screw up his chakra and he might end up passing out along with with the victim or the tsukuyomi will last shorter

 

[TrollingSage]

Strict also brought up a good point. People fail to realize that tysukuyomi can also trap multiple people if Itachi wants to. It was already displayed that kakashi put 2 anbu members under a sleeping genjutsu at the same time[

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]. Keeping that in mind as strict pointed out kakashi warped both kurenai and asuma to not look at Itachis eyes or they both would had falling victim to the tysukuyomi. So adding kakashi + Asuma + Kurenai that equals to 3 people that would had fallen victim to Itachis tysukuyomi back in part 1 at the same time. So as i said before Tysukuyomi is better overall. Frog simply has range over tysukuyomi.

First of all that was a different gen jutsu Kakashi used. Secondly, he told both of them not to look at Itachi's eyes because he didnt want either of them to be caught. Even if tsukuyomi can only affect one person, both of them have to close their eyes to prevent either of them from getting caught.

 

[Strict]

Nice response but frog song paralyses both the body and the mind so a partner won't help. That was why pain had no choice but to sacrifice those bodies. And had to revive them with narka path. Once you are hit by frog song your body is useless and your mind only works in the illusion.

It is still Genjutsu and thus, the one who is unaffected by the Genjutsu could free you from the illusion. You could say that the partner gets caught as well, but a Jinchuriki would be able to free himself with his Bijuu helping him. Itachi's and Sasuke's body were also paralyzed and placed under the illusion, but they managed to free each other.

+ we found the weakness of sound Genjutsu's be Fuuton. In this sense, every something skilled Fuuton user could blow the sound away like Temari did; it isn't unavoidable. Uchiha are the only one who can break Tsukuyomi, but a confrontation of a Tsukuyomi user against an Uchiha will be far more rarity than a user of sound Genjutsu fighting a Fuuton user.

 

[Prince Charles]

It's only practical vs one person... multiple people will screw up his chakra and he might end up passing out along with with the victim or the tsukuyomi will last shorter

It being shorter doesnt matter as it still has deadly effects either way. Anyway his chakra reserves are actually quite high.

First of all that was a different gen jutsu Kakashi used. Secondly, he told both of them not to look at Itachi's eyes because he didnt want either of them to be caught. Even if tsukuyomi can only affect one person, both of them have to close their eyes to prevent either of them from getting caught.

... What are you talking about? Why would he tell them both to clsoe their eyes unless they were both at risk of getting caught.

There was nothing wrong with Nagato's sensing.

He sense amaterasu and it was going to be amaterasu before the Crow/Ka stopped it at the last moment. If the crow had not intervened amaterasu would have been used.

As you can see itachi's Eye was bleeding, When Nagato said he was using Amaterasu proves that he was correct.

@ Exaar. I was pretty admitted I was wrong but as I said the 3rd time now I can honestly care less as Tysukuyomi is still the overall better genjutsu.

 

[Gerkak]

It is still Genjutsu and thus, the one who is unaffected by the Genjutsu could free you from the illusion. You could say that the partner gets caught as well, but a Jinchuriki would be able to free himself with his Bijuu helping him. Itachi's and Sasuke's body were also paralyzed and placed under the illusion, but they managed to free each other.

+ we found the weakness of sound Genjutsu's be Fuuton. In this sense, every something skilled Fuuton user could blow the sound away like Temari did; it isn't unavoidable. Uchiha are the only one who can break Tsukuyomi, but a confrontation of a Tsukuyomi user against an Uchiha will be far more rarity than a user of sound Genjutsu fighting a Fuuton user.

You are correct on most of the points but the comparison between kabuto's genjutsu and frog song.
Like I said frog song can paralyse the mind which means they can do nothing outside the genjutsu. As shown when pains bodies could not move or use genjutsu release. So if sasuke and itachi were caught in frog song they can't escape by casting genjutsu on each other. Other than that you are correct.*_*