Frog Katas vs. Jyuuken

Which Taijutsu style is better?

  • Frog Katas

    Votes: 13 68.4%
  • Jyuuken

    Votes: 6 31.6%

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Turson

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One well placed Jyuuken hit can kill you. It doesn't matter who you are because no one can train their internal organs.

Frog Kata might be more fancy, but Jyuuken is more deadly
Frog Katas can also kill you with one hit. Besides, Jyuuken didnt even touch Kidomaru at first becuase of his golden armor.

Not to mention that it also has other props. ->

Frog Katas is deadly becuase even with Doujutsus you cant see the attacks. They can see chakra, not pure natural energy.
 
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You guys are nuts... Frog Kata is pure natural energy formed around a persons body and is so powerful a single blow kan crush an opponent, and including that Sage Mode makes Naruto and other Sage Mode users incredible fast... it is the ultimate Taijutsu fighter... only 8 gates opening can defeat it in Taijutsu. Frog Kata cannot be seen even with Rinnegan and so it does not need to hit a person directly, which means he can attack Hyuuga without noticing.
 

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Frog Katas can also kill you with one hit. Besides, Jyuuken didnt even touch Kidomaru at first becuase of his golden armor.

Frog Katas is deadly becuase even with Doujutsus you cant see the attacks. They can see chakra, not pure natural energy.
The thing is, Frog Kata attacks can be blocked even though they can't be seen it would just be difficult to avoid. Jyuuken is impossible to block except for keeping the strikes from connecting. A well trained hyuuga can completely disable their opponent by stopping their chakra flow. While frog kata is much more powerful in terms of physical strength, jyuuken is much more subtle as it kills the person from the inside out.
 

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Blocked by who? Guys like Oro or Raikages. They wouldnt be affected by Jyuuken also.
Anyone could block it. It would just be difficult since they wouldn't be able to see the invisible attacks. Both Raikages and Oro can be affected by Jyuuken. The raikages would be more resistant since they have a chakra shround, though eventually it would be worn down as chakra can be destroyed by other chakra. Oro would be affected anyways since he has no way to defend like the raikages do.
 

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Anyone could block it.
Lol? Anyone who isnt tank would end up with broken hands or even dead after trying to block something like that. Dodging this is also impossible since the attacks are invisible.
The raikages would be more resistant since they have a chakra shround, though eventually it would be worn down as chakra can be destroyed by other chakra.
Seeing how Chidori barely went trough A Raiton armor, I have no doubt that Jyuuken user wouldnt stand a chance.
Oro would be affected anyways since he has no way to defend like the raikages do.
No, but hes the guy you can cut in half and hes still alright. He has insane regenerative powers, far better than those of Tsunade.
 

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Lol? Anyone who isnt tank would end up with broken hands or even dead after trying to block something like that. Dodging this is also impossible since the attacks are invisible.
Since the attacks are physically powerful, yes it would most likely hurt the defender anyways.

Seeing how Chidori barely went trough A Raiton armor, I have no doubt that Jyuuken user wouldnt stand a chance.
Chidori was used to penetrate. Jyuuken would wear away at it like water on a rock but much faster.

No, but hes the guy you can cut in half and hes still alright. He has insane regenerative powers, far better than those of Tsunade.
No one is invulnerable to jyuuken attacks. Not even Oro. If his chakra is cut off, he won't be able to regenerate. Plus attacks on the chakra system can't be regenerated.
 

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Chidori was used to penetrate. Jyuuken would wear away at it like water on a rock but much faster.
You are saying that delicate chakra injection would wear out armor that Chidori was helpless against? I hope you are joking.
If his chakra is cut off, he won't be able to regenerate. Plus attacks on the chakra system can't be regenerated.
True, so Oro is the guy that Jyuuken would be more effective than FK. It still doesnt change that FK is overall superior.
 

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You are saying that delicate chakra injection would wear out armor that Chidori was helpless against? I hope you are joking.
It would be a multitude of chakra injections that wear it down and not just one powerful strike. And btw Chidori did manage to get past it and actually scrap the raikage so it has some decent penetrating power.

True, so Oro is the guy that Jyuuken would be more effective than FK. It still doesnt change that FK is overall superior.
Im sorry, but what is FK?
 

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Frog Katas can also kill you with one hit. Besides, Jyuuken didnt even touch Kidomaru at first becuase of his golden armor.

Not to mention that it also has other props. ->

Frog Katas is deadly becuase even with Doujutsus you cant see the attacks. They can see chakra, not pure natural energy.
The concept of Frog Kata is that the natural energy that you take in increases your speed, strength, durability, etc. It doesn't change the fact that it can still be blocked or even avoided if the opponent knows what Frog Kata is and what it can do. In the end, Frog Kata is more like Goken than anything else. It's a style that causes external damage by physically breaking bones and causing damage on the surface.

Those props as you call it don't come from Frog Kata. Sensing danger and the likes come from Sage Mode itself. This is Jyuken vs Frog Kata. Not Jyuken vs Sage Mode. It's from the natural energy that they take in and use from around them. Frog Kata is the style of fighting that Sage Mode users use once they gain the perks from Sage Mode.

Jyuken on the other hand is something entirely different. It causes internal damage that is near impossible to shield from unless you have some sort of armor that restricts chakra passage - Kidomaru's golden skin for example.

Frog Kata can crush boulders and use invisible strikes, but it doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day Jyuken is more deadly style of fighting.

It's not always about what packs the biggest wallop.
It's about can kill you most effectively.
 
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Lol? Anyone who isnt tank would end up with broken hands or even dead after trying to block something like that. Dodging this is also impossible since the attacks are invisible.

Seeing how Chidori barely went trough A Raiton armor, I have no doubt that Jyuuken user wouldnt stand a chance.

No, but hes the guy you can cut in half and hes still alright. He has insane regenerative powers, far better than those of Tsunade.
Oro can't regen without chakra. So if his chakra is stopped he's screwed. He'll probably survive frog kata.
And to your first argument if they have the strength to to give an attack with such force then the laws of physics state they can also receive the amount of pressure without breaking. Newtons 3rd law for instance would imply when Tsunade punches her arms are receiving the same out of force that she is dishing out. Therefore someone of great strength could block it. And just because an attack is invisible it doesn't mean it's impossible to block. Wind can be blocked with an umbrella but wind is invisible.
And in terms of the raiton armor, their fingers don't need to necessary piece the armor but they need to send the chakra through. Which may be impossible but je ne sais pas.
 

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You can't block frog Kata... it is not visible to the naked eye.. and even if you somehow managed to block it with your arms or legs... you would end up with atleast broken bones.....

If you set up Gentlefist fighter vs Frog Kata fighter, the Frog Kata fighter would win since he does not need to touch the opponent to strike and can keep a very close position on the opponent since he has a lot of speed and strength and yet be out of harms way.
 

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You can't block frog Kata... it is not visible to the naked eye.. and even if you somehow managed to block it with your arms or legs... you would end up with atleast broken bones.....

If you set up Gentlefist fighter vs Frog Kata fighter, the Frog Kata fighter would win since he does not need to touch the opponent to strike and can keep a very close position on the opponent since he has a lot of speed and strength and yet be out of harms way.
The same can be said about Jyuuken. It doesn't even have to hit. Even a subtle and minor knick can cause damage to the circulatory system:



And it doesn't matter if it's a Sage Mode user. Even if you get a subtle knick from the Jyuken it will still hurt them just as much as anyone else. No one can train their internal organs.


On top of this, if we're talking about close-range combat, the Jyuuken user also has ranged Jyuuken attacks. In long-ranged fighting this might be particularly useful because it's not like a homing missile or anything, but in close-range combat like the scenario you're talking about, it's more than enough to make up for the distance.
 
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Allright, but it take like 100 000 hits in one place to wear it out. Scenario like this is not possible.
Its not like it needs a ton of strikes to take it down. After all anything made by chakra, like the chakra shroud, can be destroyed by inserting chakra into it. Meaning that as long as they keep attacking, the chakra shroud would be eventually wear down.

Frog Katas of course.
Oh thank you. Also, no taijutsu style is more superior than any other. It would be difficult to defeat a master of any style of taijutsu.

JiraiyaEroSennin said:
You can't block frog Kata... it is not visible to the naked eye.. and even if you somehow managed to block it with your arms or legs... you would end up with atleast broken bones.....

If you set up Gentlefist fighter vs Frog Kata fighter, the Frog Kata fighter would win since he does not need to touch the opponent to strike and can keep a very close position on the opponent since he has a lot of speed and strength and yet be out of harms way.
Frog Kata can be blocked. The damage to the defender would just be greater than if he would be actually hit. If they were to fight, it would be a great fight, though the frog kata user wouldn't automatically win just because it is physically more powerful than jyuuken.
 

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It doesn't change the fact that it can still be blocked or even avoided if the opponent knows what Frog Kata is and what it can do.
Avoiding FK with info would be thougher than avoiding Jyuuken in the same conditions.
Those props as you call it don't come from Frog Kata. Sensing danger and the likes come from Sage Mode itself.
Just like FK itself. You cant separate it.
-> Look what Naruto said.
"I can sense danger faster and greater with Frog Fu (Frog Katas) in Sage Made".
-> Naruto is using that energy not only to extend the range of his attacks, but also to sense danger.
Frog Kata can crush boulders and use invisible strikes, but it doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day Jyuken is more deadly style of fighting.
Honestly, if Jyuuken and FK master fought against each other, I wouldnt give the first one any chance.
Its not like it needs a ton of strikes to take it down.
Seeing how Chidori barely went through, yep, it need a ton of strikes.
After all anything made by chakra, like the chakra shroud, can be destroyed by inserting chakra into it.
Chidori is alsomade of chakra, but Chidori >>>> delicate chakra injection.
 
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