[Discussion] Freeza final form vs Ultimate Gohan

[Passerby]

Who wins?
Freeza's 4th form from DB RF or Gohan after he pulled that sword?

S2- Freeza can go 100% full power (Not the gold form, the white one with muscles)

 

[Saiyan Kammy]

Chou Gohan.

 

[Umari Senju]

So this is gohan pre Breaking the sword and releasing the elder Kai right? SO before Mystic Saiyan Gohan....


Frieza. Gohan couldn't even deal with Debora who was below Perfect Cell.

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Goku absorbed God power in base and in his Saiyan Beyond God form is around his ssg power and has similar feats
This Goku is immensely more powerful than Gohan Gotenks and Rageta
Frieza first form was the strongest evil ki they sensed and negged Gohan
Frieza final form can fight sbg Goku without being negged
Gohan gets his shit stomped soooo bad its horrible
Like how is this a thread

Spoiler

A qoute from neoseeker dbz forums "...now that Goku has absorbed God Power.. This is pretty much a fact. We also know based on BoG and Super that Goku got most of the god power in Base. And that SSJ seems to make him stronger ofcourse.. Now about the Feats of Base Goku in Super: 1. Surviving/Getting back up from a finger flick blow by Beerus.(which was intended to have put all of his mind and soul into that blow..) so there's that. 2. Base Goku Litterally STOMPING the combined energy blast of both Goku's FP Kamehameha and Beerus's energy ball..(which was so Lethal.. You didn't even have to come in touch with to be lethal) and Base Goku Punched it to smithereens! Completely Nullifying all of it's energy in the proces. So that's 2 impressive feats for Base Goku in Super And YES. I have SSJ Post also (a tiny bit stronger than SSG.) like if SSJG was a 6. Than SSJ Post would be like a 6.5 at most."

 

[Jokule67]

Gohan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Final Form Frieza. Ssg1 Goku already trashed him.

Gold Form however wrecks Gohan.

 

[Gerkak]

Frieza stomps. Frieza while weaker was able to atleast keep up with saiyan beyond god goku who is far above even mystic gohan.

For those who don't know saiyan beyond goku = the super saiyan god goku that fought beerus.

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Frieza stomps. Frieza while weaker was able to atleast keep up with saiyan beyond god goku who is far above even mystic gohan

Exactly retarded gohan wankers probably ain't even watch the fight or pay attention to the diologue
Ssg =SbG Goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rageta>>>>>>>Gohan

 

[Gerkak]

Exactly retarded gohan wankers probably ain't even watch the fight or pay attention to the diologue
Ssg =SbG Goku>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Rageta>>>>>>>Gohan

That's about right.

Sbg goku is even stronger than vegito! The Gohan wank needs to stop, Gohan is starting to look like the new yamcha at this point XD

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Gohan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Final Form Frieza. Ssg1 Goku already trashed him.

Gold Form however wrecks Gohan.

“Daizenshuu 2 states that Gohan’s dormant power is bottomless. It also states that Ultimate Gohan is still capable of becoming a Super Saiyan, but even without utilizing the form he surpasses Super Saiyan 3 Gotenks in power, if Ultimate Gohan was to become a Super Saiyan his power would likely rise to levels above even Super Buu (Gohan, Piccolo, Goten, and Trunks absorbed).”
Know what happened When ss Gohan fought first form freeza?
DIRTNAP

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

That's about right.

Sbg goku is even stronger than vegito! The Gohan wank needs to stop, Gohan is starting to look like the new yamcha at this point XD

Exactly Vegito shit stomps Gohan
These Gohan fanboys need to give up or commit group seppuku

 

[Umari Senju]

That's about right.

Sbg goku is even stronger than vegito! The Gohan wank needs to stop, Gohan is starting to look like the new yamcha at this point XD

BURN! XD

But sadly it's true. That's what happens when you don't commit to training like Goku and Vegeta do.

 

[Exaar]

Well base goku fought final form frieza without much trouble.

So unless base goku has surpassed mystic gohan/Super buu/Kid buu, (which i highly doubt) Gohan isn't going to have much trouble.

Know what happened When ss Gohan fought first form freeza?

That wasn't cannon.

That was anime only, It didn't happen in the manga version

 

[Dark Sonic]

Goku was Saiyan beyond god so if Frieza was on par with that, then Gohan is screwed.

 

[OG sama]

Well base goku fought final form frieza without much trouble.

So unless base goku has surpassed mystic gohan/Super buu/Kid buu, (which i highly doubt) Gohan isn't going to have much trouble.



That wasn't cannon.

That was anime only, It didn't happen in the manga version

You doubt Saiyan beyond God Goku is stronger than Gohan based off what? Saiyan beyond God Goku was able to punch Beerus supernova like attack into nothingness in Super and in BOG was able to keep up with Beerus even after losing SSG.

Ultimate Gohan's best feat is beating up Super Buu for crying out loud, who is much weaker than Buutenks who is much much weaker than Buuhan who is much weaker than Super Vegito who was stated to be weaker than Beerus. And before you say, "well SSG also lost to Beerus." SS3 Goku fought a Beerus who one shotted him with a chop, that alone was enough for Goku to estimate that fusion wasn't enough, he based this all on a highly suppressed Beerus. Whereas SSG took up 70% of Beerus' power.

 

[Exaar]

You doubt Saiyan beyond God Goku is stronger than Gohan based off what? Saiyan beyond God Goku was able to punch Beerus supernova like attack into nothingness in Super and in BOG was able to keep up with Beerus even after losing SSG.

As i remember the only time goku lost his Super saiyan god powers was after he stopped beerus's last attack. Well in the manga version anyway.
So him fighting beerus let alone keeping up with him after losing his God form was anime filler since i consider the manga version cannon more than the movie version.

Unless i've missed some manga pages

 

[OG sama]

As i remember the only time goku lost his Super saiyan god powers was after he stopped beerus's last attack. Well in the manga version anyway.
So him fighting beerus let alone keeping up with him after losing his God form was anime filler since i consider the manga version cannon more than the movie version.

Unless i've missed some manga pages

The manga version goes into almost zero detail as to how the whole fight went down, its incredibly rushed because you wanna know why? Because they expect you to watch the anime for a more detailed version of how the fight played out. So no, there is no anime filler.

Toyataro and Toriyama weren't going to go into much detail because you have already seen it in the BOG Movie and at the time, would have been seeing it again in Super.

 

[Exaar]

The manga version goes into almost zero detail as to how the whole fight went down, its incredibly rushed because you wanna know why? Because they expect you to watch the anime for a more detailed version of how the fight played out. So no, there is no anime filler.

Toyataro and Toriyama weren't going to go into much detail because you have already seen it in the BOG Movie and at the time, would have been seeing it again in Super.

I have no reason to believe it wasn't filler.

for example, When Beerus used his final attack in the movie goku was in normal super saiyan form, yet in the Manga version goku was still in his god mode.

In the movie Goku touched the attack and was trying to push it back while in Super saiyan, Manga he just used kamehameha in god form

While in the movie beerus fired another attack after his big energy orb (which again didn't happen in the manga), which made goku go from super saiyan back to base, Then he powered up back to super saiyan god and the attack dispersed, which again in the manga only took a kamehameha to defeat in god form and none of this Super saiyan, to base then to god form again to defeat.

I'm sure there are more inaccuracies as well. With that said yes it was Filler.

It happened in revival of frieza when Gohan got negged by first form frieza, That didn't happen at all. frieza did not move at all until goku and vegeta arrived.

Anime/Movies will always have filler and give feats/powers that were not meant to be, to increase their run time regardless of if the movie is cannon or if they expect you to of watched the movie before reading the manga. It is only when manga versions come out their inaccuracies are noticed. Which is why i do not trust cannot movies with no manga versions such as the new naruto movies.

 

[ToshiZO]

Wait till the manga gets to that part, the movies have terrible power scaling don't take them too seriously.

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Well base goku fought final form frieza without much trouble.

So unless base goku has surpassed mystic gohan/Super buu/Kid buu, (which i highly doubt) Gohan isn't going to have much trouble.



That wasn't cannon.

That was anime only, It didn't happen in the manga version

Dumbest shit ever heard
Toryama wrote whole script

 

[TimothyTheTomato]

Well base goku fought final form frieza without much trouble.

So unless base goku has surpassed mystic gohan/Super buu/Kid buu, (which i highly doubt) Gohan isn't going to have much trouble.



That wasn't cannon.

That was anime only, It didn't happen in the manga version

Base Goku did have you not seen anything