Fox apologizes for X-Men: Apocalypse promo image of Jennifer Lawrence being strangled
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Sorry for posting news here but since it's somewhat related, I felt it more convenient to post it here than make a new thread: The Caliphate burns 19 Kurdish women alive.
We often see news and discussions of 'sexism' from first world feminists here so I thought it a good idea to post something showing what the real world outside tumblr looks like.
For a while now the Caliphate has been making Quranic "right hand's possessions," i.e. *** slaves, of Kurdish Yezidi women, and now they are starting to execute them for resistance:
"Fighters of the terrorist group Islamic State have publicly executed 19 Kurdish women, local activists in Mosul reported. They were burned alive in iron cages in one of the city squares, sources told Kurdish ARA News agency.
The women, who belonged to the Kurdish Yezidi minority, were executed on Thursday, according to witnesses in Mosul, the Iraqi stronghold of IS (formerly known as ISIS).
“They were punished for refusing to have *** with IS militants,” local media activist Abdullah al-Malla told ARA News.
Hundreds of local residents witnessed the brutal execution, but could not do anything about it, he added.
IS, an Iraq, Syria and Libya-based terrorist group, adheres to what it believes to be a pure version of Islam. They justify their numerous crimes, including cruel forms of capital punishment, by the tenets of the religion.
Sunni Muslims living in territories under their control are forced to live by IS rules or be expelled or killed. Ethnic and religious minorities are being harshly persecuted. The Yezidis, an ethnic group that has its own synthetic religion and are considered devil-worshipers by extremist Muslims, are among those suffering under IS.
Thousands of Kurdish women captured by IS fighters were forced to become *** slaves to the militants. Those who managed to escape or were freed said that the women are raped, traded around, often denied food or rest and otherwise mistreated. IS leadership produced manuals for their men on what they should and should not be doing to their captives."
This is why first world feminism is inane - it makes a joke of the real world. And this is also why the whole social justice warrior culture is suicidal degeneracy - when the soldiers of the Caliphate come for your women, you don't protest or cry about it on tumblr - you take a gun and put a bullet through their Allahu snackbaring mouths and send them straight to jannah.
We often see news and discussions of 'sexism' from first world feminists here so I thought it a good idea to post something showing what the real world outside tumblr looks like.
For a while now the Caliphate has been making Quranic "right hand's possessions," i.e. *** slaves, of Kurdish Yezidi women, and now they are starting to execute them for resistance:
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"Fighters of the terrorist group Islamic State have publicly executed 19 Kurdish women, local activists in Mosul reported. They were burned alive in iron cages in one of the city squares, sources told Kurdish ARA News agency.
The women, who belonged to the Kurdish Yezidi minority, were executed on Thursday, according to witnesses in Mosul, the Iraqi stronghold of IS (formerly known as ISIS).
“They were punished for refusing to have *** with IS militants,” local media activist Abdullah al-Malla told ARA News.
Hundreds of local residents witnessed the brutal execution, but could not do anything about it, he added.
IS, an Iraq, Syria and Libya-based terrorist group, adheres to what it believes to be a pure version of Islam. They justify their numerous crimes, including cruel forms of capital punishment, by the tenets of the religion.
Sunni Muslims living in territories under their control are forced to live by IS rules or be expelled or killed. Ethnic and religious minorities are being harshly persecuted. The Yezidis, an ethnic group that has its own synthetic religion and are considered devil-worshipers by extremist Muslims, are among those suffering under IS.
Thousands of Kurdish women captured by IS fighters were forced to become *** slaves to the militants. Those who managed to escape or were freed said that the women are raped, traded around, often denied food or rest and otherwise mistreated. IS leadership produced manuals for their men on what they should and should not be doing to their captives."
This is why first world feminism is inane - it makes a joke of the real world. And this is also why the whole social justice warrior culture is suicidal degeneracy - when the soldiers of the Caliphate come for your women, you don't protest or cry about it on tumblr - you take a gun and put a bullet through their Allahu snackbaring mouths and send them straight to jannah.
1.Apocalypse is a bad guy doing bad guy shit. In fact it is portraying people who choke women as main antagonists of the earth. LMAO
2. Mystique was probably turned on by it.
3. I think the poster is racist. It depicts the violence between colored people. #bluelivesmatter :sparks:
4. If we complain about shit like this then we might have too many rights. Back to 1860 we go.
5. The show is not all about men. Let's call it X men, women, and creatures so no one gets left out.
2. Mystique was probably turned on by it.
3. I think the poster is racist. It depicts the violence between colored people. #bluelivesmatter :sparks:
4. If we complain about shit like this then we might have too many rights. Back to 1860 we go.
5. The show is not all about men. Let's call it X men, women, and creatures so no one gets left out.
Not sure- I hear Mystique is a bisexual and the scene depicts a god choking a person who belongs to LGBT community, so it's a case of homophobia.
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Do you understand the meaning of the term "selective outrage" to comment whether it's a finest example or not? A group that's literally meant to see interest of a particular group is supposed to voice their opinion in interest of that group only.
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Great. Meet me in 5 mins and let's start ripping them off the walls.
@bold: lolwut?
If I were Kishi I'd absolutely, no doubt, put Obito's bloody scene on the volume cover because it shows the dramatic change in his character. It's an ultimate defining moment in his life that would hunt him for, what 20 years, before Naruto talks him back to the light. Tsunade and Hinata I don't see a point in putting on a billboard (unless you want fan service ofc) as they're side characters that are totally irrelevant on the grand scheme of things.
Mystique on the other hand is a central character of the triology. Putting here there is thus an equivalent of putting a pinched Naruto on a poster. (Something that has been done to death and noone ever complained.)
And from where did you conclude this was a matter of opinions? The point is everyone should know what they're talking about. Are you actually denying this? I am well aware of what the opposing side is saying, it's just that I find their position resting in ignorance, therefore I tell them to read the synopsis of the movie, check who the mc is and so on - study the context.
The only thing disrespectful that I said was the original post in which I said "crappy femminists strike again" or something like that, and it wasn't really a part of a discussion and definitelly not a serious argument. Just a one-liner that expresses my disdain for what I percieve to be a case of femi-nazism (as they call it) due to the fact that noone had to apologize when guys were getting beat up.
As soon as you engaged me in a discussion I changed the tone to be appropriate.
Advertisement of alchohol and cigaretes is forbbiden where I'm at too, but there's a difference between promoting and advertising. Promotion, in the sense I'm using the word, is reffering to any form of encouragement of a certain thing. ***, drugs, alchohol and the whole glamorous "we live for the night" lifestyle is openly promoted everywhere - movies, tv shows, music - everything. "Should we censor all that while we're on our crusade against violent imaginery as well?" was my point.
Removing that which is percieved as negative from public life (though to which extent this should go?), that was my point. I already said it multiple times in my replies directly to you so idk why you didn't understand it the first few times I said it.
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You forget that we are talking about advertisement here and this promotion too is on billboard. Plus "desensitize" is an established phenomena:
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and a factual topic by itself.
And the life style you refer to is also criticized by many. So...
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Good.
Just your opinion and I have mine. We disagree.
An opinion is an expression of a person's feelings or emotions along with facts (or without them). The moment you decided to comment on the people or their thinking ability instead of limiting yourself to addressing their argument, your post was reduced to an opinion. Similarly when the person/s who objected to it gave her/her/their opinion/s.
Fox didn't demand factual proof either but decided to end the matter wish a cursory apology to such an opinion to avoid getting it more dragged. It was their opinion that it won't be wise. So yea it's all about opinions.
Yes thanks for accepting that you came in to comment with a pre existing bias. ^_^
Telling me to think before I talk and I return the sentiment.
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Yes I do. Do you?
Because what I see are people grasping for dear life on bs. Thank you
Hmmm let's me see because people die every freaking day due to gun violence. Why support the use of guns as if its some toy. It is a wepon to kill. But noooooooo mystique getting choked is so heartbreaking
I can't Lol
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I'm not going to argue with you Ira. Believe whatever your heart desires. The poster wasn't bad point blank
Lmao @ that 2yr old reference girl bye
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Then why don't you put the mirror away and you won't see them.
PS: Rhetoric questions do not make up for lack of substance.
If you want to argue over gun violence find AimC64. I don't give a shit. People will find something else to kill or make illegal ones. We already have strict enough gun laws in my country so do no talk as if you are raising a universal issue either.
Then don't.
How eloquent!
What makes you think I need your permission to believe whatever I want to? Just stick to your own opinion.
You were the one who would have been only too happy to throw kisses on such a poster two year ago, now you are demanding the feminists to outrage over it as if it's a feminists issue. smh
I am no going to take, someone who uses avas of sexually objectified images of females, seriously on such topics.
Bye.
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"advertising
ˈadvətʌɪzɪŋ/
noun
the activity or profession of producing advertisements for commercial products or services."
"promote
prəˈməʊt
verb
gerund or present participle: promoting
1.
support or actively encourage (a cause, venture, etc.); "
Advertising is a marketing concept while promotion of something isn't tied solely to marketing. Promoting something simply means the encouragement of that something. For example, it's illegal to advertise weed on national TV, but noone will arrest you for encouraging your friends to try a smoke.
The Obito part sure, just as it is yours so what kind of response is that?
The Mystique part is a fact. Stone-cold fact. She played a big role in each movie. She influenced the events of the whole triology on a massive scale. (Dystopian future *wink* *wink*) She still playes a huge role in fighting the Apocalypse.
Except I wasn't talking about this debate but wether the poster promotes violence against women. (The topic of this discussion basically.) The answer to this is no because the only way you could reach the conclusion "yes" is by ignoring the context of the poster (ie the very film it promotes). Since checking out what the poster is about (the movie) will give one the proper insight and show that the film is simply portraying an mc in a pinch (an old cliff hanger technique of drawing audience in) the proper answer is "no".
Now, I hear you saying "omg this guy is so dense, the context is up for interpretation therefore this whole things is a matter of subjective opinions -.-" ", to which I say: the context is easily deduced from multiple things, first being the question of what is the purpose of a billboard in a first place.
The answer to this is to promote a movie. A movie - a product. Nothing more nothing else. It is nothing more but a pointer to the ideas present in the movie, so in a nutshell the billboard promotes the movie which promotes certain ideas, therefore the only ideas a billboard can be used to promote are the ones present in the movie (indirect promotion).
So all that matters is what the movie promotes. In this case the question is "does the movie promote violence against women?". The answer to that is a clear "no" until someone can give me material that actually does this.
You seem awfully happy. .-.
What would that pre-existing bias mean, may I ask? I simply posted my stance on the topic (albeit in a poor and unconstructive manner) before actually getting into a discussion. What part of that is bias? Obviously we represent opposing positions on this matter, therefore we're having this discussion. You're my opponet and I am yours. I simply made a case and I'm now defending it while trying to refute yours as are you.
What part of this is supposed to be a negative thing? It's simply what a debate is.
The "think before you talk" part wasn't directed to you as in you personally, but the group that holds the view that the poster is a promotion of violence against women. (I said specifically that "you" is there for the sake of the argument.)Telling me to think before I talk and I return the sentiment.
EDIT (an irrelevant commentary on our clumsy converstaion): Sigh, first edit was my screw up (combined with technical issues and me missing the spoiler tag in your post), but now we keep going back and forth editing our posts and it's getting irritating. xD
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What do you think billboards were being used for? Exactly what did you think pasting dictionary explanation of the word advertising would accomplish? Would it somehow change the fact that we are talking about promotional advertisement here?
Copy paste 1) Advertising generally refers to controlled, paid messages in the media, while promotion includes paid and free marketing activities, such as sales or sponsorships.
Copy paste 2) Advertising is a one-way communication whose purpose is to inform potential customers about products and services and how to obtain them. Promotion involves disseminating information about a product, product line, brand, or company. It is one of the four key aspects of the marketing mix. Advertising may be one form of promotion.
Example avetising: Giving an advertisement in the newspaper about the major products of a company
Example promotion: Giving free products, coupons etc.
It's a simple matter of movie wanting more positive reaction to it's promotional images and this one didn't get it enough. When you are "promoting" something then people shouldn't have to use google to find it out. That's not a good promotional image.
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Advertise the movie.
The reason I pasted dictionary definitions is to make the context in which I use those words clear. The person who I responded to said the words mean the same thing and I proved they don't as there are different definitions depending on the context in which they are being used.
We're talking about wether the poster promotes violence against women (a negative behaviour rather than a product), to which I say a clear "no". Atleast that's what I'm talking about.
I thought this thread is about femminist circles boycotting Fox for supposedly promoting violence against women, rather than the movie being a financial flock. Oh wait, it is. :|
Edit: Woman, I can't keep up with you edits. ._.
You know that "a picture says a 1000 words" deal? Well, ***** that cuz noone is gonna understand a whole movie universe from one poster.
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And I proved that they can be the same. So we are back to square one.
No feminist called for boycotting the movie here so I don't know what you are talking about. Exactly how big is this circle who is boycotting it for that reason and not because of it's comparatively weak script?
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Boycotting as in protesting (in internet tems), like making a big deal out of nothing.
@bold: And what are you even talking about now? What does the quality of a script have anything to do with this thread? Also, why are you selectively responding to my points?
So one woman objects and few other agree and you start claiming a mob of feminists at first and then the term 'boycott' when there was no such call either and the feminists are the one exaggerating and over reacting here? How does that work out? @_@
You replied to my points selectively too. Besides don't expect me to elaborate on a topic I am not really invested in beyond the surface + at 2 AM when I need to wake up at 6 AM at the latest. that reminds me - why the hell I am even awake yet.. later.. I would rather catch on my sleep than continuing this debate.
PS: For me script being weak or poor acting will be a better reason to skip a movie and than a random stupid poster.
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First of all, I didn't claim ALL femminists are protesting against the poster, I made all mentiones vague without specifying how many are involved as I actually have no idea how many are there and neither does anyone else. Protests came from a group of femminists, I am now arguing against what that group of femminists is saying. Not putting anything into anyone's mouth. Better?So one woman objects and few other agree and you start claiming a mob of feminists out to get men and use the term boycott when there was nos cuh calls either and the faminists are the one exaggerating?
How does that work out?
I try my best to tackle every point my opponets raise. If I failed to respond to some it was most likely because they slipped past me. Tell me what I missed and I'll be sure to reply.
I have no idea what topic you're invested in or not. You quoted me and now I'm responding. Also, I give 7 days of time for my opponets to respond, so you don't need to feel pressured in answering as soon as possible in a sloppy manner in place of making a quality reply when you find the time. This is a forum rather than a live chat, I'm ready to wait.
+ I have no idea what time zone you're in, where I am it's only 22:20. Good night and I wish you sweet dreams. *_*
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imagine naruto manga cover which shows kakashi stabbing rin in the chest with his chidori.
will you people be offended by that? this is literally the same thing
will you people be offended by that? this is literally the same thing
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Still not a reason for them to ***** about. The process of choosing the billboard was probably completely arbitrary and no one in their right minds would take this matter seriously.
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