[VS] Fourth Kages vs Second Kages

[VongolaX]

2nd generation whoops the newbies.

2nd generation kages are about speed, explosions, and securing the real body.

The streaming tyrant is an explosive clone that hides the real body.

Muu has dust release and can split his body (to hide)

And Tobirama has that explosive Justu via Edo tensei....
Edo tensei also hides the real body.

 

[ARGUS]

Team Second wins this handily,,

-Second Mizukages clam genjutsu alongside Muu flying up in the air ready to jinton is one of the most broken combos,,, and would be hell for Minato and A,,,, on top of that with the duo backed up by Tobirama,, who allows them to evade most of their atttacks is also very efficient,,,

-Second Mizukages liquifying abilities helps him counter all of Minatos physical attacks and with his oil,, he can counter Kazekages attacks quite well,,,, furthermore no one can really detect Muu here,, especially when he extinguishes his chakra,,,

-Team 4th being stuck in a genjutsu is a huuge advantage for team second,, as Muu can land big jintons on the team alongside JB and Tobirama attempting to mark them with FTG through KB,,,,

-on top of that team fourth gen has no intel at all on team seconds jutsu... With things like clam genjutsu... Liquefying... Muus abilities etc

-Only real threat here is Miinato,,, who is more or less equivalent to Tobirama,,,,

 

[VongolaX]

It took a whole squad of sensors to locate the scone mizukage.

How are you suppose to sense the real body without intel and a giant explosive kid running towards you?

You need to knead chakra in orde for you to sense.

Only Hashirama and Naruto are the exception because of their life energy/physical energy

 

[TRE MERCER]

2nd generation whoops the newbies.

2nd generation kages are about speed, explosions, and securing the real body.

The streaming tyrant is an explosive clone that hides the real body.

Muu has dust release and can split his body (to hide)

And Tobirama has that explosive Justu via Edo tensei....
Edo tensei also hides the real body.

I agree with all of this but Tobirama edo's are restricted.

 

[Bogard]

Mizukage could nearly solo here's why. His genjutsu clam is capable of producing a mist with which its summoner can create a deceptive mirage that completely rendered observers unable to accurately locate the position of itself or its summoner, after firstly opening its shell and exuding a mist from its siphons throughout the duration of the technique. Muu could use this as a huge advantage because if his location is hidden he could easily hit someone from team 1 with a unseen Jinton.

2nd Mizukage can also use Hydrification Technique that makes his body a liquid substance that would make Minato seals useless if he was to get caught. Not to mention his oil is a great counter for the 4th kazekage's sand. Also none of them has a counter for his Genjutsu. Joki boy should be able to solo 4th Kazekage due to the fact that His body is entirely made up of oil and water which is hazardous for his sand to come in contact with.

Also i really don't see Ay's relevance in this battlefield.

Well i was waiting for it before sleeping and while you show an interesting strategy, you forgot a main point. We don't know if Mizukage can control who are affected by the clam genjutsu or not, so it could penalise his team as well and rendering Muu's offensive useless.

Besides, it seems you can localise the clam via contact sensing. Depending on how the finger sensing Minato uses work, he may be able to localise the clam and destroy it considering it's possible the finger sensing allows to localise position due to ground vibrations

I couldn't rep you for the effort though since i already did that once

 

[Conspirator.]

Team 2nd wins mid diff. Trollkages genjutsu combined with mu's jinton is one of the most lethal combos in the NV. Too bad those 2 weren't allied and ended up killing themselves...... Also if Tobirama is allowed his edo tensei explosions, this matchup is a stomp.

 

[Joseph Gomes]

Second Kages win. Mizukage is very difficult to detect, his clam genjutsu is powerful and has huge range. Also his exploding steam clones are lethal and destructive. not to mention he can liquify his body

Tobirama can handle minato long enough until the genjutsu is cast

Muu can erase Ay and Fourth Kazekage out of existence if they get hit by jinton

 

[End of Days]

Most of the techniques are countered quite easily

Kazekage's gold dust locates the clam and muu's invisibility
Space-time barrier counters joki boi and jinton
Raikage channels electricity through mizukage to render his liquefaction useless

 

[TRE MERCER]

Well i was waiting for it before sleeping and while you show an interesting strategy, you forgot a main point. We don't know if Mizukage can control who are affected by the clam genjutsu or not, so it could penalise his team as well and rendering Muu's offensive useless.

Besides, it seems you can localise the clam via contact sensing. Depending on how the finger sensing Minato uses work, he may be able to localise the clam and destroy it considering it's possible the finger sensing allows to localise position due to ground vibrations

I couldn't rep you for the effort though since i already did that once

@Bold- You have a pretty good point.

@Blue- It highly doubt his finger sensing would work not to mention movement is required for vibrations.

 

[VongolaX]

I agree with all of this but Tobirama edo's are restricted.

Fair enough

 

[Penguin]

Finger sensing used by Tobirama and Minato would in fact find the clam. It isn't a regular sensory. You put your finger on the ground -> feels vibrations of people on ground -> knows where the people are.

Or at least I think so. :|

 

[itachiuchiha21]

a wild itachi appears and solos both teams

 

[A v i]

I guess team 2 wins this. Minato is the only one that can do something against the members of team 2. 4th Kazakage is featless but he can help his team to find the locations of Muu and mizukages clam. If Mizukage uses genjutsu then his team members will get effected by it.

 

[Draegod]

Finger sensing used by Tobirama and Minato would in fact find the clam. It isn't a regular sensory. You put your finger on the ground -> feels vibrations of people on ground -> knows where the people are.

Or at least I think so. :|

Which is it again?

 

[Gold Lightning]

It laughable the some of you think Mizukage's genjutsu can't be countered when they not only have a sensor (finger sensing is not needed to locate the real Mizukage, just normal sensing) on their team, but also someone with the same abilities as Gaara who used his third eye combined with sand to find the clam. Some of you also pretend as if the genjutsu won't affect Tobirama and Mu, it's not something the Mizukage can just control who it works on, it's a mist that works on everyone smh.

Then there is that one moron who was calling kazekage ability sand. Obviously he doesn't know the properties of gold or how much heavier it is than gold. Nor does he remember the fact that it is gold that stopped Joki boy in the first place.

Someone else talks about edos even though they are restricted -_-.

Also finger sensing doesn't require movement to locate people. The rock ninja minato located was still until he made 20 clones.

Mu and Mizukage can't combine genjutsu and dust release because Mu will be affected as well. Plus the genjutsu doesn't hide Mu, so he can still be located fine. Dust release isn't touching the fastest shinobi (minato) or Ay who can escape with v2 or Kazekage who will be marked by minato in Oder to get him out of trouble. And mu's dust release is mad slow, the point in which he is preparing the jutsu, he is vulnerable and detectable. People are overrating Mu here, forgetting that Kazekage can also fly and locate him whoever he tries to hide.

Another person says Mizukage's hydrification makes him untouchable. Yet we have a master lightning user on team 4th (great point made by end of days).

 

[Apêx1]

This is ridiculous..
-Finger sensing would logically work by finding vibrations. How is it finding these vibrations when it's completely stationary and shadow clones + Joki Boys could be running around the battlefield. Fact is, everyone is blinded from 2nd Mizukage and his clam, not from where every single person is. This allows for sneak attacks among other things. Apart from that, there are no contact type sensors to finish the job of locating the two.
-Mu can simply fly up and bust the Kazekage's ass with a single jinton.
-Joki boi will serve as good support for Tobirama, he can tag him and use his own speed in addition to Joki's to create some interesting attacks. Anyone who attempts to hit Joki boi is vulnerable to Tobirama coming in and tagging him.
-This is barely factoring in the amount of things Trollkage can do while undetected.

 

[DMT]

minato needs to kill mu frist .. because if mu still alive .. FTG + Muu is unstoppable and deadly ..

 

[Gold Lightning]

This is ridiculous..
-Finger sensing would logically work by finding vibrations. How is it finding these vibrations when it's completely stationary and shadow clones + Joki Boys could be running around the battlefield. Fact is, everyone is blinded from 2nd Mizukage and his clam, not from where every single person is. This allows for sneak attacks among other things. Apart from that, there are no contact type sensors to finish the job of locating the two.
-Mu can simply fly up and bust the Kazekage's ass with a single jinton.
-Joki boi will serve as good support for Tobirama, he can tag him and use his own speed in addition to Joki's to create some interesting attacks. Anyone who attempts to hit Joki boi is vulnerable to Tobirama coming in and tagging him.
-This is barely factoring in the amount of things Trollkage can do while undetected.

- Nice assumption of finger sensing but you have no proof that it senses vibrations. Minato sensed the change from 1 person to 20 in an instant. Clones appearing isnt exactly movement, they just appear on the spot and minato detected that. Nothing suggests there was movement involved. The vibrations argument is inconclusive.
- Jinton is slow, kazekage can easily fly out of the way. Not to mention minato can intercept and teleport kazekage away.
- The genjutsu isn't blinding -_- it just makes it harder to locate mizukage. Tobirama and Mu are still visible.
- Gold dust has already stopped Joki boy, it's not much of an issue, and it's easy to outrun. A minato clone or long range gold dust attacks will easily stop it, so there is no theat of getting marked.
- Mizukage will easily be detected, minato or kazekage will easily find him.

 

[KidGamer65]

Finger sensing used by Tobirama and Minato would in fact find the clam. It isn't a regular sensory. You put your finger on the ground -> feels vibrations of people on ground -> knows where the people are.

Or at least I think so. :|

Um, nothing but fanfiction. Contact Sensing is needed to find the clam and Tobirama nor Minato don't have that.

It laughable the some of you think Mizukage's genjutsu can't be countered when they not only have a sensor (finger sensing is not needed to locate the real Mizukage, just normal sensing) on their team, but also someone with the same abilities as Gaara who used his third eye combined with sand to find the clam. Some of you also pretend as if the genjutsu won't affect Tobirama and Mu, it's not something the Mizukage can just control who it works on, it's a mist that works on everyone smh.

LOL, the manga clearly stated that normal sensing won't let you find the clam, so this is even worse than the other two claiming Finger Sensing works.

This is ridiculous..
-Finger sensing would logically work by finding vibrations. How is it finding these vibrations when it's completely stationary and shadow clones + Joki Boys could be running around the battlefield. Fact is, everyone is blinded from 2nd Mizukage and his clam, not from where every single person is. This allows for sneak attacks among other things. Apart from that, there are no contact type sensors to finish the job of locating the two.
-Mu can simply fly up and bust the Kazekage's ass with a single jinton.
-Joki boi will serve as good support for Tobirama, he can tag him and use his own speed in addition to Joki's to create some interesting attacks. Anyone who attempts to hit Joki boi is vulnerable to Tobirama coming in and tagging him.
-This is barely factoring in the amount of things Trollkage can do while undetected.

Same thing I said to Penguin, Finger Sensing doesn't use any kind of vibrations.

 

[Transcendence]

Dust Style gets reflected back at Muu and he dies.

TrollKage's genjutsu is usless, Minato will sense where the real clam is and use Bringing Down the House to crush it then FTG to him slicing his throat. He can't react to FTG so he wont have time to even turn his body into water.

Tobirama gets defeated by Minato along with his toads Gamabunta, Gamashiro, Gamaken, etc.

Minato can solo the entire Team 2 mid-high difficulty.