[VS] Fourth Kages vs Second Kages

[Gold Lightning]

Fourth Kages:
- Minato
- Ay
- 4th Kazekage

Second Kages:
- Tobirama
- Mu
- 2nd Mizukage

Location: The dessert where the Edo Kage were resurrected.

Intel: Manga

Restrictions: No yin Kurama or elder toad sages for Minato, No Edo Tensei for Tobirama

Starting distance: 50m

 

[Transcendence]

minato solos

 

[Bronze]

second mizukage genjutsu solos

 

[GokuEn]

Team 2nd , tbh the only threat in team 4th is Minato

 

[KidGamer65]

Team Second wins with mid difficulty.

 

[LustyLover]

Team second wins imo.

 

[Gold Lightning]

Team 2nd , tbh the only threat in team 4th is Minato

They're all threats, only the simple minded with no explanation would say otherwise.

I agree that it's in the seconds favour but saying Ay isn't a thread of the 4th Kazekage is ridiculous.

 

[Dęvîa Puęrî]

Second teams win high diff

 

[LuckyMan]

Dust Style gets reflected back at Muu and he dies.

TrollKage's genjutsu is usless, Minato will sense where the real clam is and use Bringing Down the House to crush it then FTG to him slicing his throat. He can't react to FTG so he wont have time to even turn his body into water.

Tobirama gets defeated by Minato along with his toads Gamabunta, Gamashiro, Gamaken, etc.

Minato can solo the entire Team 2 mid-high difficulty.

 

[Beans2]

Mu trolls with invisibility.

 

[Beans2]

Dust Style gets reflected back at Muu and he dies.

TrollKage's genjutsu is usless, Minato will sense where the real clam is and use Bringing Down the House to crush it then FTG to him slicing his throat. He can't react to FTG so he wont have time to even turn his body into water.

Tobirama gets defeated by Minato along with his toads Gamabunta, Gamashiro, Gamaken, etc.

Minato can solo the entire Team 2 mid-high difficulty.

.............:|

 

[Inert Brian]

2nd gen kages take this.

While Minato can sense the clam, he can't sense Muu. He also has Tobirama to deal with as well.

4th Kazekage blows, he'll get shitstomped. Muu can hide from Ay, Tobirama can avoid Ay if Minato did.

 

[EdoItachi]

Hmmm interesting match-up. Well Minato would have to take on Tobirama which could really go either way but I think Minato could take him. Ay and Yondaime Kazaekage are both skilled ninja but none of them have a good counter for Muu's invisibility. Also Nidaime Mizukage was shown to be very powerful and the only way to break his genjutsu was to destroy the giant invisible clam. I suppose Gaara's dad could find the clams location using gold dust (Minato could probably find it using SM even though he said he sucks at it) and Ay could potentially destroy it. The only one would stand a chance against Muu would be Minato once again but I don't think he would be able to defeat him. Unfortunately none of that would go as planned for 4th kages since they would be fighting multiple opponents at once. The main problem is the 4th kages requires teamwork to take down a single individual in the group or Minato is the only one capable of fighting on par with his opponents.

2nd Kages high diff

 

[RicardoA]

I'm going with the 4th generation, they have a great chance.

Gaara's dad should be able to replicate his son sand sensing. Assuming he can do this, he could also solo the 2nd Mizukage.
My point above works for Muu as well, and to use his only offensive jutsu he needs to become visible. The moment he does this he gets sensed by Minato and either he or Ay can beat him down w/o retaliation.
Minato > Tobirama.

Of course that going strictly by feats shown the 4th Kazekage immediatly turns into the weakest link and the whole strategy goes down the toilet, but i think otherwise (latter generation > previous after all).

 

[TRE MERCER]

This is stomp match.

 

[Latios]

.............:|

Shh, just pretend he is right. He is one of those special needs people

 

[Gold Lightning]

You guys are going on about mu's invisibility as if he he can actually attack in that state. He needs to be visible to use dust release and as soon as he's visible, he'll be detected with sensing.

4 Kazekage doesn't blow either. Using gold dust to spread across the battlefield would help in locating Mu with the help of the third eye technique. Same way Gaara located Mizukage's invisible clam. If Mu is caught in a storm of gold dust then it will cover him with dust and make him visible. If Mu isn't detected by 4th Kazekage then it means Mu is probably flying out of range, meaning he's not in a dangerous or worrying enough position to attack them; so with gold dust there's no way he's sneaking up on anyone.

And whoever said Ay can avoid Tobirama because minato could needs to think again. He probably can a couple of times but not forever , Ay knows well enough how FTG works and Tobirama isn't using dozens of Kunai's. With Ay's v2, he'll try to catch Tobirama appearing to whatever marked kunai or object he teleports to. Besides, it'll take a lot of fire power to damage Ay, water style ain't gonna cut it, neither will a kunai. Only thing that will stop him from team second is dust release which will never hit while in v2.

 

[LuckyMan]

Minato can literally solo team 2 with high difficulty........

FTG literally makes every attack they have useless because it will never hit him.

He FTG to Second Mizukage and places the Contract Seal on him, now he can't even summon the Clam, the whole genjutsu will never come out, not that its a factor anyway. If he uses his exploding clone he's asking to die because it leaves him extremely weakened and tired because it comes from his actual body, similar to how Muu splits his body and becomes weaker but for the Mizukage the manga depicted his weakened state to be greater than Muus. The exploding clone will never hit Minato anyway, so thats not even a factor.

The only factors in this fight are Muu's invisibility because he completely erases himself but then again, Kazekages Magnet Style can locate him like Gaaras did.

Minato can solo them with Kazekage as a support to locate Muu. Ay and Kazekage don't even have to attack, Minato can do all the attacking and solo them.

 

[Bogard]

Team 2 wins this. The 2nd Mizukage's clam can seal the deal depending on the finger sensing and i believe they have the stronger team

 

[TRE MERCER]

Mizukage could nearly solo here's why. His genjutsu clam is capable of producing a mist with which its summoner can create a deceptive mirage that completely rendered observers unable to accurately locate the position of itself or its summoner, after firstly opening its shell and exuding a mist from its siphons throughout the duration of the technique. Muu could use this as a huge advantage because if his location is hidden he could easily hit someone from team 1 with a unseen Jinton.

2nd Mizukage can also use Hydrification Technique that makes his body a liquid substance that would make Minato seals useless if he was to get caught. Not to mention his oil is a great counter for the 4th kazekage's sand. Also none of them has a counter for his Genjutsu. Joki boy should be able to solo 4th Kazekage due to the fact that His body is entirely made up of oil and water which is hazardous for his sand to come in contact with.

Also i really don't see Ay's relevance in this battlefield.