[Discussion] Forneverworld rant

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That's why this is shit, all characters are omnipotent ? Where's the fun in it ?
All? What? He said that Supes vs Goku was BS and that it was biased even though he doesn't know shit about DC like the weaboo he is.

What is fun in dBZ? You all know that Goku is gonna win no matter who he fights, atleast DC has some interesting fights, people use tactics, characters are much more likeable than those of DBZ, you can't predict how fights will go, a good example is Batman v Superman, he uses brains to fight unlike any fight in DBZ.


Don't be saying DBZ has a good plot, the only reason why you are wanking it because it was a big part of your childhood.
 

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''Lol, the ending basically explained that Superman is basically a god because his stories are set up differently, he isn't a fighter he's an unbeatable alien trying to adapt in society and give it hope, while Goku is a man who aims to keep getting stronger. So here's the question, what fun would it be to see Goku beat everyone instantly and be basically invincible, it wouldn't be because their stories are to different. And to all the hardcore Dbz fans like myself, there are no double standards, how can you call Superman overpowered if he wins, but not Goku if he won? There are a handful of characters more powerful then them both like Dr.Manhattan, The Spectre and The Living Tribunal (If you don't know them look em' up). Do you know why people don't call them overpowered? Because it's not about how strong they are, it's about the stories being told and the meaning behind them.''

This comment was so gorgeous.

Don't matter if there are characters who are freaking broken. The point of each fiction is how the story is told. The common used one is ''weak character gets stronger''. There are other that characters start so broken, which they don't rely on ''fights'' like DBZ because they're aiming to another type of story rather than ''become stronger''.

Dragon Ball will never, ever, surpass other ANIME verse, not just DC/marvel. I used to be one of those fanboys that believed that goku was the strongest anime character ever! I was so wrong!

One anime that would completely destroy, annihilate, laughably, babyshakes every DB character, without even trying is Umineko no Naku koro ni.

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Powers and Abilities: Nigh-Omniscience, Non-Corporeal, Conceptual Being, Magic, Reality Warping, Plot Manipulation, Time Manipulation, Causality Manipulation, Cosmic Awareness, Immortality, Exists in the highest world and views witches as nothing more than a chess piece (just like how witches view humans), Master of the Overlord Cats.

Destructive Capacity: High Hyperverse Level+ (Casually killed Lambdadelta by rewriting the script of the story, while tipsy from alcohol. Aurora is the creator and ruler of the City of Books. Each book consists of infinite higher-dimensional universes, and the higher layer world)

Strength: Irrelevant

Speed: Irrelevant

Durability: High Hyperverse Level+

Intelligence: Nigh-Omniscient (She knows every single thing about Umineko, since she is the creator of the whole Umineko story in the first place, and also created the entire City of Books, which contains countless of fragments and books).

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Lambdadelta

Lambdadelta, in her nature as a Voyager, is an immensely powerful Witch who throws around massive attacks on a multiversal scale. Very few beings, even in the larger scheme of Umineko, can match or exceed her in power. The only beings known to have done so, or shown feats that would suggest so, can literally be counted on one hand.
They are: Frederica Bernkastel, End-of-EP8 Ushiromiya Ange, and Featherine Augustus Aurora

Concept Creation

Lambdadelta, in the Sea of Fragments, can create concepts for herself by merely thinking.

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Probability Manipulation

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Lambdadelta, as the Witch of Certainty, possesses the polar opposite to Bernkastel's power of Miracles. She can make anything happen with nigh-absolute certainty. Bernkastel acknowledges this and calls her power terrifying.

As a measure of how powerful Bernkastel is, she can one-shot End-of-Series Battler Ushiromiya, who can completely no-sell multiple big-bang, planet-creation, and big-crunch events on a scale of the City of Books.

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Time Manipulation

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She can stop time easily, and this is also from her nature as a higher-dimensional being.

Authorial Power

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Lambdadelta bestows the Magic of Certainty onto Jessica Ushiromiya's script. This script effectively creates a new universe (the world of the script) through Lambda's magic, and imprisons Jessica, Shannon, and Battler within. Lambda's magic ensures that the script has absolute authority over the world, and that it cannot be denied until the story plays out.

Control over fate and destiny

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To beings on Lambdadelta's level, Fate and Destiny are but playthings.

Popcorn Shields

I know, it sounds ridiculous. Lambdadelta's popcorn shields, however, are powerful. They blocked the blades of Dlanor A. Knox, High Inquisitor of Heresy.

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This is significant because Dlanor's blades are conceptual weapons, able to deny the existence of even concepts, or things on that level. The Red Key especially is the most powerful of all, it renders the concepts of defense, dodge, and time to react all invalid.

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What makes this even more impressive is when you consider how fast Dlanor is. She fights on an even speed front with Battler, where the concept of distance quickly becomes meaningless.

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Immortality

Even after being dismembered by Featherine, who rewrote the plot of the story to kill her, Lambdadelta survives through her seperate body parts, of which she is capable of controlling independently. Bernkastel helps sew her back together.

''Black Hole'' creation

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One of Lambda's most well known moves. She creates a sphere of super-concentrated Gravity. These spheres are so powerful they consume Bernkastel's Leviathans (that are massive even on the scale of fragments in the City of Books) and draw in multiple fragments in the City of Books. She eventually draws Bernkastel herself in and transforms the "Black Hole" into a sweet and consumes it all (except Bernkastel, of course).
The manga reflects this.

Big Bangs

In the City of Books, where books are Fragments, Lambdadelta squares off with Bernkastel. Their fight results in numerous Big Bang and Big Crunch-level events, with the gestation of multiple resulting universes and countless galaxies. The fight was likened to two gods trying to prove who could create Universes better.
The fight is revealed to cause massive damage to the City's shelves and Fragment-books.

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Lambadelta's sweets

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Energy Projection

Can fire massive blasts that destroy Bernkastel's leviathans, which are massive even within the City of Books, effectively dwarfing Book-fragments.

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Celestial Body Creation

Lambda, in her most glorious moment, stands against Featherine Augustus Aurora, The Great Witch of Drama, Theatregoing and Spectating and the most powerful being in Umineko. With a gesture, she instantly creates entire stars and planets to orbit her, each effectively the size of several Book-fragments, and prepares to hurl them at Featherine.

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She does lose though, but standing against Featherine in Umineko terms is like going up against Pre-Retcon Beyonder, and to do so willingly takes great courage.

Empowerment / Elevation

Lambdadelta is capable of presenting humans with wishes, enough to end universes and birth them. Even to elevate them to the level where their endeavors will certainly become reality (essentially, godhood)- however, she is cruel in that she never said or dictated how long they would take.

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Removal of Power

Lambdadelta chastises Beatrice for the shoddy scenarios she has played up until now. She reminds Beatrice that only by her favor does she maintain her position as game master / territory lord of her multiversal catbox of endless parallel worlds, affording her nigh-absolute control over it. Essentially, Lambda tells Beatrice to get her act together, or she will demote her back to being nothing more than the mere human she was before Lambda deigned to elevate her to the lofty status she holds, and imprison her in the most lowly of fragments, to which Beatrice acknowledges in fear.

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TL;DR; there are anime verses are so broken but that's not the point of this. The point is this is not like DBZ, who focuses a growth of a character from being weak to become one of the strongest on its universe. Umineko's story-telling is different because it aims to mystery and character development rather than being overpowered.

Same thing goes for Superman. Fanboy need to accept that goku, never! ever! had a change against superman. Even though I love goku and DB is part of my childhood, people need to lay down the drugs.
 

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''Lol, the ending basically explained that Superman is basically a god because his stories are set up differently, he isn't a fighter he's an unbeatable alien trying to adapt in society and give it hope, while Goku is a man who aims to keep getting stronger. So here's the question, what fun would it be to see Goku beat everyone instantly and be basically invincible, it wouldn't be because their stories are to different. And to all the hardcore Dbz fans like myself, there are no double standards, how can you call Superman overpowered if he wins, but not Goku if he won? There are a handful of characters more powerful then them both like Dr.Manhattan, The Spectre and The Living Tribunal (If you don't know them look em' up). Do you know why people don't call them overpowered? Because it's not about how strong they are, it's about the stories being told and the meaning behind them.''

This comment was so gorgeous.

Don't matter if there are characters who are freaking broken. The point of each fiction is how the story is told. The common used one is ''weak character gets stronger''. There are other that characters start so broken, which they don't rely on ''fights'' like DBZ because they're aiming to another type of story rather than ''become stronger''.

Dragon Ball will never, ever, surpass other ANIME verse, not just DC/marvel. I used to be one of those fanboys that believed that goku was the strongest anime character ever! I was so wrong!

One anime that would completely destroy, annihilate, laughably, babyshakes every DB character, without even trying is Umineko no Naku koro ni.

Featherine Augustus Aurora

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Destructive Capacity: High Hyperverse Level+ (Casually killed Lambdadelta by rewriting the script of the story, while tipsy from alcohol. Aurora is the creator and ruler of the City of Books. Each book consists of infinite higher-dimensional universes, and the higher layer world)

Strength: Irrelevant

Speed: Irrelevant

Durability: High Hyperverse Level+

Intelligence: Nigh-Omniscient (She knows every single thing about Umineko, since she is the creator of the whole Umineko story in the first place, and also created the entire City of Books, which contains countless of fragments and books).

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Lambdadelta

Lambdadelta, in her nature as a Voyager, is an immensely powerful Witch who throws around massive attacks on a multiversal scale. Very few beings, even in the larger scheme of Umineko, can match or exceed her in power. The only beings known to have done so, or shown feats that would suggest so, can literally be counted on one hand.
They are: Frederica Bernkastel, End-of-EP8 Ushiromiya Ange, and Featherine Augustus Aurora

Concept Creation

Lambdadelta, in the Sea of Fragments, can create concepts for herself by merely thinking.

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Probability Manipulation

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Lambdadelta, as the Witch of Certainty, possesses the polar opposite to Bernkastel's power of Miracles. She can make anything happen with nigh-absolute certainty. Bernkastel acknowledges this and calls her power terrifying.

As a measure of how powerful Bernkastel is, she can one-shot End-of-Series Battler Ushiromiya, who can completely no-sell multiple big-bang, planet-creation, and big-crunch events on a scale of the City of Books.

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Time Manipulation

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She can stop time easily, and this is also from her nature as a higher-dimensional being.

Authorial Power

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Lambdadelta bestows the Magic of Certainty onto Jessica Ushiromiya's script. This script effectively creates a new universe (the world of the script) through Lambda's magic, and imprisons Jessica, Shannon, and Battler within. Lambda's magic ensures that the script has absolute authority over the world, and that it cannot be denied until the story plays out.

Control over fate and destiny

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To beings on Lambdadelta's level, Fate and Destiny are but playthings.

Popcorn Shields

I know, it sounds ridiculous. Lambdadelta's popcorn shields, however, are powerful. They blocked the blades of Dlanor A. Knox, High Inquisitor of Heresy.

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This is significant because Dlanor's blades are conceptual weapons, able to deny the existence of even concepts, or things on that level. The Red Key especially is the most powerful of all, it renders the concepts of defense, dodge, and time to react all invalid.

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What makes this even more impressive is when you consider how fast Dlanor is. She fights on an even speed front with Battler, where the concept of distance quickly becomes meaningless.

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Immortality

Even after being dismembered by Featherine, who rewrote the plot of the story to kill her, Lambdadelta survives through her seperate body parts, of which she is capable of controlling independently. Bernkastel helps sew her back together.

''Black Hole'' creation

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One of Lambda's most well known moves. She creates a sphere of super-concentrated Gravity. These spheres are so powerful they consume Bernkastel's Leviathans (that are massive even on the scale of fragments in the City of Books) and draw in multiple fragments in the City of Books. She eventually draws Bernkastel herself in and transforms the "Black Hole" into a sweet and consumes it all (except Bernkastel, of course).
The manga reflects this.

Big Bangs

In the City of Books, where books are Fragments, Lambdadelta squares off with Bernkastel. Their fight results in numerous Big Bang and Big Crunch-level events, with the gestation of multiple resulting universes and countless galaxies. The fight was likened to two gods trying to prove who could create Universes better.
The fight is revealed to cause massive damage to the City's shelves and Fragment-books.

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Lambadelta's sweets

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Energy Projection

Can fire massive blasts that destroy Bernkastel's leviathans, which are massive even within the City of Books, effectively dwarfing Book-fragments.

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Celestial Body Creation

Lambda, in her most glorious moment, stands against Featherine Augustus Aurora, The Great Witch of Drama, Theatregoing and Spectating and the most powerful being in Umineko. With a gesture, she instantly creates entire stars and planets to orbit her, each effectively the size of several Book-fragments, and prepares to hurl them at Featherine.

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She does lose though, but standing against Featherine in Umineko terms is like going up against Pre-Retcon Beyonder, and to do so willingly takes great courage.

Empowerment / Elevation

Lambdadelta is capable of presenting humans with wishes, enough to end universes and birth them. Even to elevate them to the level where their endeavors will certainly become reality (essentially, godhood)- however, she is cruel in that she never said or dictated how long they would take.

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Removal of Power

Lambdadelta chastises Beatrice for the shoddy scenarios she has played up until now. She reminds Beatrice that only by her favor does she maintain her position as game master / territory lord of her multiversal catbox of endless parallel worlds, affording her nigh-absolute control over it. Essentially, Lambda tells Beatrice to get her act together, or she will demote her back to being nothing more than the mere human she was before Lambda deigned to elevate her to the lofty status she holds, and imprison her in the most lowly of fragments, to which Beatrice acknowledges in fear.

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TL;DR; there are anime verses are so broken but that's not the point of this. The point is this is not like DBZ, who focuses a growth of a character from being weak to become one of the strongest on its universe. Umineko's story-telling is different because it aims to mystery and character development rather than being overpowered.

Same thing goes for Superman. Fanboy need to accept that goku, never! ever! had a change against superman. Even though I love goku and DB is part of my childhood, people need to lay down the drugs.
Didn't read all of it, but good regardless. Rep+ for your effort
 

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"Goku wins because he's a better character" XD I lmao'd so much at this part. The fight had nothing to do with characterization yet he brought this up to make himself feel better. That shit literally made my day Lol
 
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that the whole death battle was BS.

I know that you are trying your Best to be a So called Troll, and you are trying to get on the supes vs goku action.

but even you know that match was a one-sided rig to make superboy look cool.
The fight was fine only the fanboys believe it was bad. It was accurate. Superman decided to use more power and complete destroy goku which.
He's put himself out there and is only expressing his opinions. He has many people who agree with him and is probably more objective than most haters. Haters can take it to youtube and put themselves out there. But it's easier to hate behind a screen
He said goku win because he is a better character. That's not expressing his opinions that's just beinging in denial and can't except the fact that there is someone stronger than goku. I like his videos but he is too bias. No one is hiding and no one is hating :lol his rant is just too funny and completely inaccurate.
The only part where he was right was the part where he talked about Supes going through Kamehameha like nothing, everything else was him being a DBZtard and salty as ****.

"Superman is a shitty character and Goku is one of the best characters in all anime" lmaoo this guy

Superman has had over 75 authors and some of them wrote Superman very good and he was enjoyable whereas all Goku did was scream and fight against opponents, not to mention DBZ powers are soooo boring, SS1, SS2, SS3, SS4 etc nothing special and dont forget how long the battles were, Goku literally screamed 3 episodes.

Superman >>>>>>> DBZ
But superman can go through the sun and even stay in the sun. It not hard to believe he can walk through it.
His money rustles yours tho
:lol I help him get his money. I not concerned with his money.
That's why this is shit, all characters are omnipotent ? Where's the fun in it ?
Not they are not. They are hundreds of characters who are just regular hero.
 

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I don't read comics but from what screw attack provided, Of course supes can walk through a kamehamaha, he's been in a sun and multiple supernovas. It shouldn't even be a debate who wins.
 

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Doesn't matter who would win. Superman is lame af.

Why are Superman's fights so basic and slow when he's so powerful?
Superman is not lame. Because you don't read the comics most likely. You probably don't really know anything about Supes stay rustled.
It's not even that serious though.....
It's serious to dbz fans. They got there jimmies rustled bad.
 
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