For you Obito haters

[b7718]

Multi posting is against the rules just letting you know.

Are you even aware how often you do that?

 

[Murasame]

From your loaded poll? Seriously?

I'm one of those guys who doesn't give a damn what the popular opinion is. The Nazi party was pretty popular in Germany at one time, In America the majority believed at one point in time that women shouldn't be able to vote either. I don't think I need to continue.

What are you talking about? I think you're confused... go back and see what I meant.

Multi posting is against the rules just letting you know.

Are you even aware how often you do that?

Multi posting is when you make a post exactly after the one you made.. there's other member's post in between mines :|

 

[b7718]

Again you act like that you speak for everyone and I have said that not everyone shares the same views as you... this is what you think!

- No, I stated very clearly that everyone does not see things the way I do (You are a perfect example of that).
- I also stated clearly that a segment of the community does.

I'm satisfied with the way he is.

- You're satisfied with him, great. I am not, and this thread is discussing both sides of the coin.

You try too hard to force your opinions on others and that is not right..

- And you don't push your views? "For you Obito haters".
- We're having a discussion, and I'm being very civil. Don't think I haven't taken note how many times you've called others "morons" for giving their opinion, One even told you she was 13 years old, and you still made a snide remark. Now that s not right.

I've looked at all your posts concerning Obito and its quite obvious that you hate Obito as if he was someone that did something bad to you in real life

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I flat out said I don't care for the guy, do I need to wear a flashing sign?

You act like you are superior and your opinion is fact.. you don't like it when others actually like Obito and belittle them. Anyways tell how your statement is fact? People have different tastes and thats what you fail to grasp.

No. I flat out say that my opinions are opinions. I usually use words like "I feel" ,"It could've been", and even "In my opinion".

 

[b7718]

"- He's going to get talk no jutsu'd no matter what, we might as well like the guy in the mean time." - Me

Ok "Kishimito".. we'll have to wait and see whether he is talk no jutsu'd or not. This another example where you make your opinion look like it's a fact.

You really felt that compelled to point out that Obito hasn't been talk no jutsu'd? - Are you serious man?

 

[Murasame]

- No, I stated very clearly that everyone does not see things the way I do (You are a perfect example of that).
- I also stated clearly that a segment of the community does.



- You're satisfied with him, great. I am not, and this thread is discussing both sides of the coin.



- And you don't push your views? "For you Obito haters".
- We're having a discussion, and I'm being very civil. Don't think I haven't taken note how many times you've called others "morons" for giving their opinion, One even told you she was 13 years old, and you still made a snide remark. Now that s not right.


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I flat out said I don't care for the guy, do I need to wear a flashing sign?



No. I flat out say that my opinions are opinions. I usually use words like "I feel" ,"It could've been", and even "In my opinion".

Come again?

"People love tragic Villains, they crave them. It gives the villain depth. Tragedy breeds character, and nearly ever Villain in the series has a painful past, we identify with their vulnerability."

There's more of that in your posts as well.

No this thread isn't discussing what we are currently at all this is going off topic. I'm not here to talk about it since it wasn't my concern but I guess I shouldn't have egged you on either.

Nope not at all what you do is force it and if someone doesn't agree you belittle them. I'm not forcing anything just encouraging the members to look at things they didn't take into consideration before or were mistaken about.. misconseptions and such. I never said I was civil correct? You're saying you are right now when in fact its the other way around.. want me to quote your past posts? When did I call someone a moron for their opinion? And where was this snide remark you're talking about? Quote it.

Dude you have an obsession with him look at your posts concerning any Obito thread. You belittle people who don't think the same way.

"He's going to get talk no jutsu'd no matter what, we might as well like the guy in the mean time." Yeah opinions right..

Anyways I'm done with this.. this wasn't my point of the thread and the fact that I argued this with an Obito hater shows how patient I am... Now I would like you to please leave this thread

 

[b7718]

Anyways I'm done with this.. this wasn't my point of the thread and the fact that I argued this with an Obito hater shows how patient I am... Now I would like you to please leave this thread

Are you serious? You initiate and continue a conversation with me, went onto my profile to write in my visitor message board to "come back" to the thread, and when you don't like what I have to say you want me to leave the thread? Is that what you're telling me?

I'm going to assume I'm not understanding your tone, and that you're kidding, because that's absolutely ridiculous. I'll tell you what, I'll gladly ignore your comments so long as you don't respond to mine anymore.

- One thing I will say is that this series isn't done yet. As long as Kishi's still writing, he possesses the ability to redeem Obito's Character in the eyes of many dissatisfied fans, and I want that to happen. I want to like Obito, I really do.

 

[Vegeto30294]

- We're having a discussion, and I'm being very civil. Don't think I haven't taken note how many times you've called others "morons" for giving their opinion, One even told you she was 13 years old, and you still made a snide remark. Now that s not right.

Unless I'm missing something here, you're getting Biju Naruto confused with Uzumaki Sasuke

Are you a kid? Hating on a fictional character. Simply pathetic

 

[Cooh]

Riiiin

 

[b7718]

Unless I'm missing something here, you're getting Biju Naruto confused with Uzumaki Sasuke

You know I believe you're right. I was wrong about that comment. - My bad, thanks for the heads up.

And there's Cooh now.

 

[Murasame]

Unless I'm missing something here, you're getting Biju Naruto confused with Uzumaki Sasuke

Thanks my man this guy confused a lot of things about me

Are you serious? You initiate and continue a conversation with me, went onto my profile to write in my visitor message board to "come back" to the thread, and when you don't like what I have to say you want me to leave the thread? Is that what you're telling me?

I'm going to assume I'm not understanding your tone, and that you're kidding, because that's absolutely ridiculous. I'll tell you what, I'll gladly ignore your comments so long as you don't respond to mine anymore.

- One thing I will say is that this series isn't done yet. As long as Kishi's still writing, he possesses the ability to redeem Obito's Character in the eyes of many dissatisfied fans, and I want that to happen. I want to like Obito, I really do.

You misunderstand I choose to stop this topic because it is not revelant to the thread.. Like I said you can have your opinions so thats not what stopping me. I linked you my thread to show you misconceptions not about how good or bad obito's backstory is. You decide to copy and paste your previous comment on another thread not having to do with this thread but I decided to go along with it just to prove that statement wrong which I did then you just change it to this stuff. I don't really care if you were right or not.. not saying you are but lI can agree with the last part of your comment.

 

[NoMoreLove]

Obito is PATHETIC. A shinobi with all his power could have made a difference. Like is this a joke?

With Obito's power if he hates the Shinobi world so much, try to change it like Naruto. Don't become a vulnerable emo tool. I side with Nagato > Obito anyday in regards to ideology. Like he's power tripping and no one can see this.

Omg my girl died so I hate the world and Im gonna make a new one where she's alive... IS THIS A JOKE? SHE DIDN'T EVEN LIKE YOU LIKE THAT BRO.

 

[iNotorious]

I kind of disagree with you,

First of all, i don't like obito but i don't dislike him, i'm neutral.

Second of all, He's been saying that this war is not about ''rin'' but when something bad happens, rin appears out of nowhere. When he was going to lost control over the juubi, it shown the whole minato team right? first was kakashi, then minato, then obito himself and the last one was rin and when it's was going to break out, boom! He took control over his own body again because of rin. I don't know what's up with his character development but there're many people out there tired about ''RIN'', we need solid statesment why he wants the moon plan. Everyone actually says it's because of rin and i agree with them.

Third, about obito being pedophile, i can see that happening, if somehow the moon plan works, then how he will remake rin as 20-30 years old girl? He can't, because he only knew rin when she was like 14? 13? i forgot her age.

 

[ShiningStar]

Alright, should I respond to the main post, or shall we begin from scratch?

 

[iNotorious]

Alright, should I respond to the main post, or shall we begin from scratch?

Wait what?

 

[Murasame]

I kind of disagree with you,

First of all, i don't like obito but i don't dislike him, i'm neutral.

Second of all, He's been saying that this war is not about ''rin'' but when something bad happens, rin appears out of nowhere. When he was going to lost control over the juubi, it shown the whole minato team right? first was kakashi, then minato, then obito himself and the last one was rin and when it's was going to break out, boom! He took control over his own body again because of rin. I don't know what's up with his character development but there're many people out there tired about ''RIN'', we need solid statesment why he wants the moon plan. Everyone actually says it's because of rin and i agree with them.

Third, about obito being pedophile, i can see that happening, if somehow the moon plan works, then how he will remake rin as 20-30 years old girl? He can't, because he only knew rin when she was like 14? 13? i forgot her age.

You do realize when he mentions Rin the majority of the time its because he's egged on to do so by kakashi or Minato? Anyways I've thought this over but I've come up with more different views on this topic looking at diffferent povs from both sides.. I'm too lazy to change my original post so I'll just mention it here.. anyways yes you are correct Rin was the last thing he thought about before controlling the Jubi but it wasn't her alone. It was boosted by his thoughts of Kakashi and Minato and even his old self. That whole image is what he wants in his ideal world.. he even wanted Kakashi to go along with it too... its not just Rin as you all tend to believe.

Anyways unless Kishi is weird and wants to put a pedophilic relationship in this manga which is read by people around the world then idk but I'm sure he'll change it somehow to not make it look that way.

 

[b7718]

Wait what?

That wasn't a response to your comment.

 

[iNotorious]

You do realize when he mentions Rin the majority of the time its because he's egged on to do so by kakashi or Minato? Anyways I've thought this over but I've come up with more different views on this topic looking at diffferent povs from both sides.. I'm too lazy to change my original post so I'll just mention it here.. anyways yes you are correct Rin was the last thing he thought about before controlling the Jubi but it wasn't her alone. It was boosted by his thoughts of Kakashi and Minato and even his old self. That whole image is what he wants in his ideal world.. he even wanted Kakashi to go along with it too... its not just Rin as you all tend to believe.

Anyways unless Kishi is weird and wants to put a pedophilic relationship in this manga which is read by people around the world then idk but I'm sure he'll change it somehow to not make it look that way.

Agree with you but if kishi makes another bs related to ''rin'' i'ma be mad at kishi and obito.

 

[ShiningStar]

Wait what?

Sorry about that, I was asking a question based on a VM the OP sent. Apologies for the confusion.

 

[ShiningStar]

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Lately I've been seeing people say he is the worst villain ever or I've seen them say he is a pedophile and the question is how? Show me scans where he has sexual thoughts about Rin because I've never seen them. Show me scans where he complains about Rin all the time? Really it's getting old, you guys are over exaggerating the whole "Rin Rin Rin" thing and its dumb.

Now if anyone says Obito perverses over Rin, they are clearly being illogical. Don't pay any mind to those types of people because they are helping neither side. However, the more sane members who have complaints about Obito, do have a point. He doesn't bring Rin up as much the "haters" (I don't like using that word) say he does, but he does bring her up more than your average villain. One of the members in my thread noted that other villains do the same, but that is not so. Allow me to explain:

Member's viewpoint: Would Nagato have become Pain if Yahiko didn't die? Would Oro have become who he is if his parents didn't die? Would Madara have left Konoha had Izuna not die? You could use that logic for every villain.

My response: The only difference is, they don't start a world war over it. It caused their start of darkness, but their villainy doesn't revolve around it. Nor do they feel the need to bring it up, or reference it, every time they engage in battle. Besides, all those villains you listed, we didn't find out what caused their villainy until someone else brought it up. With Obito, he simply doesn't shut up about it.

Now Obito's reason to become a villain is Rin right? Correct? Yes indeed. Is it the only reason? No not all. They live in a ninja world so they run the risk of dying.. so put yourselves in Obito's spot. How would you react to seeing your love interest or at least someone who was dear to you used by someone else for their personal gain? Not only that but to see your best friend who swore to protect her kill her? Some of you would get revenge others would not but Obito did and after killing people in cold blood he was not the same person anymore and I doubt many of you would be too. If it isn't bad enough he is an Uchiha who are very emotional people, more than the normal person.

I understand where you are coming from with that, Uchiha are very emotional, but despite Madara losing someone even closer to him than in Obito's case, he was far less drastic. Someone said something similar to this when they stated that Madara never got over Izuna, so Obito shouldn't be completely hated.

His words: And as I recall Madara didn't get over Izuna's death, he tried to destroy Konoha countless times before he was stopped by Hashirama.

My response: But like I said, does he ever bring it up? Did you ever hear Madara currently whine about Izuna's death verbatim? You didn't find out about it until Obito and Hashirama told you, am I right? Is Madara talking about it now? Is Madara making references about his death now? Is Madara starting a world war over it? No. I thought not. And for your information, Madara did get over Izuna's death. It wasn't until Tobirama decided to speak against making him Hokage, when he finally decided that he would never be trusted and that his clan would be subjugated, that he snapped and left Konoha for good. He was perfectly fine with trusting Hashirama's ideals until that event.

You see where I'm getting at? Obito never got over Rin's death. And what makes it worse is when he acts like he's the only one affected by it. My question is, what about Kakashi?

This is my viewpoint on Kakashi: Rin's death is hurting Kakashi more than Obito and Obito's actions are only making him feel worse. Not only because of Rin, but because it hurts that he couldn't save his best friend, now to watch his best friend turn evil ... there honestly is no words. I commend Kakashi for staying strong. Kakashi had just as much reason as Obito to start a World War, but he didn't. He's affected just as much, but he doesn't let that get to him. That's one of the reasons why people don't like Obito is because he makes Rin the focal point of his plan.

To make things worse he was also manipulated by Uchiha Madara who fed him stories of creating a world where there would be peace and no tragedies that would occur like what happened to him. Now a lot of you call bull crap on Obito using Rin as his motivation to break Madara's will over him and also using it to become the Jubi's jinchuriki. Besides that he also thought about Kakashi and Minato so I don't see anything wrong with that.Why you ask? Well love can give you the strength and drive to make you do things you wouldn't do on your own.. this translates to fiction and real life in many ways if you really think about it. The death of a dear has strengthened the reslove of many characters in show.. This has been a point shown throughout the story whether its' good or bad so why mostly hate on Obito?
Obito's reason to become the way he is because of Rin not start the war because of her.

When it comes to Madara's manipulation, I had a debate with someone about the same thing, and here are my viewpoints on that:

His viewpoints: Madara was the one who pulled the trigger & twisted his ideals, he didnt decide to wage war all by himself, lol.

My response: Obito's goal isn't larger. Yes you raise a point in how Madara twisted his ideals, but think of it this way, Madara gave his plans more depth. Without it, it would fully revolve around Rin. Sasuke is similar in that case. Also, think about all the Rin flashbacks he's had. Even if a situation had nothing to do with Rin, he'd find a way to make it about her, as the latest chapter shows. Also, take note how he didn't go through with Madara's plan because of what? His thoughts about Rin. Unlike the other villains, he can't seem to let that go. That is many people's issue here.

His viewpoints: Naruto also went berserk & fell to his darkness due to kurama's influence, if minato wasnt there to comfort him then kurama would've taken over. Same concept with obito, if minato was there to comfort him instead of madara then there is absolutely no way that he would be the way he is, therefore rin isnot the reason for his defection but rather the influence caused by madara who pushed obito & gave him all the resources he needed.

My response: Remember that his team thought he was dead. Considering the injury, we can't blame them. Madara could have persuaded him ad infinitum, but if he felt that Rin should rest in peace, they would all be for naught. Also, one can't influence someone to do something that they never cared or had any intentions to do. The thought of Rin had to be in Obito's mind for Madara's manipulation to have been effective. Think of it like this, I could convince you to hurt yourself all I want, but if you don;t want to do it, I won't have any success in getting you to.

His viewpoints: Dont forget that madara is around a decade old, obito was 14, madara knows of the uchiha's emotional state, & teenagers can be easily influenced. These are all factors that you must consider otherwise you are just hating as I said earlier .

My response: That's true but heed what I said before, if Obito didn't have the thought in his mind, nothing Madara would have done would have worked. Also, remember that Madara was elderly and would die soon, therefore ending his influence. Even as Madara passed and no longer could manipulate him, Obito still continued his plan. When Madara was revived and he was confronted, he still continued on. Now this time it's on him.

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Obito's reason to become the way he is because of Rin not start the war because of her

If he was really complaining why doesn't he blame Kakashi?

While he was battling him, me belittled Kakashi's efforts to reason with him solely based on that. It's also why he doesn't respect Minato as a Hokage.

The point is he just wants to create his ideal world and that is the reason he started the war.. Rin made him evil not start the war. Just see the scans below.
These all support my previous arguments.

I saw the scans, I don't think Rin is his entire plan, but people's reasoning for that is because she is the focal point of it.

So to conclude this Rin's death was a reason but it was also because of the System and Cruel World... that is what Obito wanted to change so tragedies such as what happened to him would never occur again. Obito turned out the way he was because of Rin and started the war not because of Rin but to create his ideal world. That is what people fail to grasp.

This is Obito's message to you

Here's the thing, people would be more inclined to believe that is he wasn't near constantly bringing her up and referencing her. It'snot his plan that's annoying, it's how he is going about it. If anything, I'd say it's bad characterisation on Kishimoto's part.

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If you don't like his character that is fine we have our opinions but don't hate on him for the wrong things you don't understand fully U_U

That I can agree with. Some people take things to far, but here are what I am showing you is why the reasonable fans might not like Obito.

My responses are all in there. But beware, that's a tower of text in there.

 

[Murasame]

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Now if anyone says Obito perverses over Rin, they are clearly being illogical. Don't pay any mind to those types of people because they are helping neither side. However, the more sane members who have complaints about Obito, do have a point. He doesn't bring Rin up as much the "haters" (I don't like using that word) say he does, but he does bring her up more than your average villain. One of the members in my thread noted that other villains do the same, but that is not so. Allow me to explain:

Member's viewpoint: Would Nagato have become Pain if Yahiko didn't die? Would Oro have become who he is if his parents didn't die? Would Madara have left Konoha had Izuna not die? You could use that logic for every villain.

My response: The only difference is, they don't start a world war over it. It caused their start of darkness, but their villainy doesn't revolve around it. Nor do they feel the need to bring it up, or reference it, every time they engage in battle. Besides, all those villains you listed, we didn't find out what caused their villainy until someone else brought it up. With Obito, he simply doesn't shut up about it.
Okay let me correct you on this.. Nagato didn't start a World War because he didn't live up until that point.. if Naruto hadn't talked some sense into him he would be involved in this war as much as Obito. Like I said earlier in the thread Rin's death started his descent to the darkside like yahiko's death to Nagato. Both their deaths showed them how cruel the ninja world and system was.. both were warned beforehand and both shook it off up until that point. Nagato went on a murder spree like Obito went on a murder spree and once they committed those acts they weren't the same person they were before. Obito had Madara take advantage of his state of mind while Obito did the same exact thing to Nagato. Now okay you say Obito makes references to Rin but who eggs him on it? Kakashi and Minato both people who were acquainted with him. Pain did reference Yahiko as well against Jiraiya and again with Naruto.. so I don't see the problem when they're called out on it especially Obito. I agree with you on Orochimaru.. he's a bad example to use because we don't know much about his past. As for Madara it was his whole plan in the beginning! Anyways reread the Madara flashback.. he did state his reasons.. he turned out the way he did because he failed to protect his brothers and because he doesn't want to fail to protect the clan. The reason he doesn't mention it a lot is because he doesn't have people who closely acquainted in the current generation who want to know his motives.. Hashirama knows already so I don't see any reason for him to state it unless asked.

I understand where you are coming from with that, Uchiha are very emotional, but despite Madara losing someone even closer to him than in Obito's case, he was far less drastic. Someone said something similar to this when they stated that Madara never got over Izuna, so Obito shouldn't be completely hated.

Well everyone is not the same on the emotional level.. some people can break down easier than others and the same logic can apply to Uchiha's.. take Itachi for example he had to wipe out ALL his clan members and his parents as well. He had it the worst arguably compared to everyone else.. yet he was different from other Uchihas. Obito was also a young kid/early teen.. Madara was born in a time where war was constant and the world wasn't as civilized as it was during Obito's time. Madara was pushed into war even while young and was trained for it so of course his emotions will be hardened unlike Obito. People have to take these things into consideration before judging that not everyone is the same.

His words: And as I recall Madara didn't get over Izuna's death, he tried to destroy Konoha countless times before he was stopped by Hashirama.

My response: But like I said, does he ever bring it up? Did you ever hear Madara currently whine about Izuna's death verbatim? You didn't find out about it until Obito and Hashirama told you, am I right? Is Madara talking about it now? Is Madara making references about his death now? Is Madara starting a world war over it? No. I thought not. And for your information, Madara did get over Izuna's death. It wasn't until Tobirama decided to speak against making him Hokage, when he finally decided that he would never be trusted and that his clan would be subjugated, that he snapped and left Konoha for good. He was perfectly fine with trusting Hashirama's ideals until that event.
As I said Obito doesn't whine about it.. this is the problem most members fail to comprehend. He is getting egged on by Kakashi and Minato who want know why he turned out this way so what do you expect? Madara didn't have anyone question him about his motives so why would he say anything to people who don't anything about personal past life? You expect to tell them story time when there is a war going on? The ones who were acquainted with him already knew (Hashirama and Tobirama) so he didn't have to get questioned about it unlike Obito who his past friend and Sensei had no knowledge of his motives. Madara was going to start a war on it as well but he was incapable of doing it so he passed his task onto Obito.
Not quite @bold before leaving the village he makes mention as to why he's going on his own path.. what you say is correct but he also said it's because he failed to protect his brothers.

You see where I'm getting at? Obito never got over Rin's death. And what makes it worse is when he acts like he's the only one affected by it. My question is, what about Kakashi?
Show me a scan that implies or states it. You're incorrect with the rest of your post as he knows that Kakashi is affected as well. He even tries to persuade him to join his side.

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This is my viewpoint on Kakashi: Rin's death is hurting Kakashi more than Obito and Obito's actions are only making him feel worse. Not only because of Rin, but because it hurts that he couldn't save his best friend, now to watch his best friend turn evil ... there honestly is no words. I commend Kakashi for staying strong. Kakashi had just as much reason as Obito to start a World War, but he didn't. He's affected just as much, but he doesn't let that get to him. That's one of the reasons why people don't like Obito is because he makes Rin the focal point of his plan.
The thing is Kakashi isn't as emotional as Uchihas as I stated.. not to mention he didn't have someone like Madara manipulate him. Kakashi had people like Minato and other teammates like Gai, Asuma, Shizune, Kurenai, etc. to be there for him.. Obito didn't have that luxury. Minato even said himself he could've probably saved Obito if had realized. If you still go against this then we might as well criticize Nagato as well. Anyways where does he state or infer that Rin is the focal point?

When it comes to Madara's manipulation, I had a debate with someone about the same thing, and here are my viewpoints on that:

His viewpoints: Madara was the one who pulled the trigger & twisted his ideals, he didnt decide to wage war all by himself, lol.

My response: Obito's goal isn't larger. Yes you raise a point in how Madara twisted his ideals, but think of it this way, Madara gave his plans more depth. Without it, it would fully revolve around Rin. Sasuke is similar in that case. Also, think about all the Rin flashbacks he's had. Even if a situation had nothing to do with Rin, he'd find a way to make it about her, as the latest chapter shows. Also, take note how he didn't go through with Madara's plan because of what? His thoughts about Rin. Unlike the other villains, he can't seem to let that go. That is many people's issue here.
No no no absolutely no. There is more to it than someone he cared about dying.. do you not look past it? Rin's death was made as a way to open his eyes to the real world not the world he idealized. If it had been Kakashi he would've been the same.. sure he might've loved Rin but Kakashi was someone who was so important that he'd risk his life for him and would give his eye too. Anyways I've already countered the rin mentioning above and below... latest chapter was because Minato tried to lecture him not to mention Obito was probably trying to destroy Minato's will as well. Did you seem to forget that Madara betrayed him as well? Madara even said in the chapter that he used him. What do you expect him to do? Give up when he's so close? No just no.

His viewpoints: Naruto also went berserk & fell to his darkness due to kurama's influence, if minato wasnt there to comfort him then kurama would've taken over. Same concept with obito, if minato was there to comfort him instead of madara then there is absolutely no way that he would be the way he is, therefore rin isnot the reason for his defection but rather the influence caused by madara who pushed obito & gave him all the resources he needed.

My response: Remember that his team thought he was dead. Considering the injury, we can't blame them. Madara could have persuaded him ad infinitum, but if he felt that Rin should rest in peace, they would all be for naught. Also, one can't influence someone to do something that they never cared or had any intentions to do. The thought of Rin had to be in Obito's mind for Madara's manipulation to have been effective. Think of it like this, I could convince you to hurt yourself all I want, but if you don;t want to do it, I won't have any success in getting you to.
No incorrect.. it's not just Rin! Look I'll give you the link to reread the chapters again.. start from here

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If you read everything carefully then this debate should be over. You'll see its both about Rin and changing the fate of the world.. these are both points he's made during the war but people only pay attention to the "Rin" part. He also thinks of Kakashi as well during the flashback also Minato and his parents other people.. he even says that in his world that Rin and Kakashi will be there.. the last image I posted below supports that claim because its not just Rin he wants it to be like it was before except with no hate, war, and tragedies.
His viewpoints: Dont forget that madara is around a decade old, obito was 14, madara knows of the uchiha's emotional state, & teenagers can be easily influenced. These are all factors that you must consider otherwise you are just hating as I said earlier .

My response: That's true but heed what I said before, if Obito didn't have the thought in his mind, nothing Madara would have done would have worked. Also, remember that Madara was elderly and would die soon, therefore ending his influence. Even as Madara passed and no longer could manipulate him, Obito still continued his plan. When Madara was revived and he was confronted, he still continued on. Now this time it's on him.
This post was countered for the most part with my other points above and below


Here's the thing, people would be more inclined to believe that is he wasn't near constantly bringing her up and referencing her. It'snot his plan that's annoying, it's how he is going about it. If anything, I'd say it's bad characterisation on Kishimoto's part.
It can be partly due to that but also mostly because its bad interpretation from people.. its not like he's bringing Rin up on his own.. he is getting egged on by Kakashi and Minato and when he does do it on his own is because he uses it to get past through situations like Madara attempting to control him and to control the Jubi.

This is his motivation

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Seeing as how he used it to overpower the jubi. This is what he wants again in his dream world.. its not all about Rin as you people think.

The majority of people didn't pay close attention to the flashbacks or didn't take closer looks.. if people took a closer look this wouldn't happen!

edit: lets say your right though well my opinion won't change on Obito.. I'm going to be a loyal fan. . besides there is still the point of him being an emotional uchiha who turn bad to due loss of love.