For you Obito haters

[Trollasaur]

dude , first of all , if you know the theory of tobidara , then you should just stfu with these stuff of obito being a sentimental b!tch lol , because he is a b!tch and he will forever be a b!tch because is a b!tch , b!tch and b!tch ,dude , all in all i think that sakura is even better than obito in being a character lol , look at sakura: sakura got almost his head handed to her by sasuke like what... 2 times? i don't remember , he lost sasuke to the darkness , naruto couldn't save him , kakashi was late also , and sakura dind't turned evil which was the thing that obito did lol , dude , i get it , his reason of turning evil was because of rin , good for him , i don't give a shit lol , but he still keeps saying "RIN RIN RIN RIN RIN" his motivation for his plan and for this war was because of rin , he did all of this because of rin , because he couldn't accept the fact that PEOPLE DIE! dude imagine , my best friend dies in front of me because of an accident , what can i do? i can go ape shit or just accept it ... "it's okay , it was an accident " that would be cool if the people only could accept it and not going ape shit , so if what obito said it's true: "that the ones who betray his friend are worse than scum" or something like that , then why he betrayied his friends , kakashi , HIS VILLAGE? LOL , i answer you that: because of tobidara.

Not reading needs paragraphs.

 

[S A G E]

They just can't handle the might and logic of Obito.
Haters going to hate.

 

[Bijuu Bomber]

Explain how losing someone dear to you is bad. Please do so.. especially if he was a Uchiha. Not only that he wasn't the same after killing the people who caused this and no one would be atleast most people. Put yourself in that situation.. he lost his sanity in his events so Madara took advantage of it.

You're right on this point.

Read above and it doesn't matter if she ignored or didn't reply to his declaration of love she still cared about him and so did he despite knowing she loved Kakashi. Thats all that matters.. He turned evil because of Rin but the rest of his motivation was to create his ideal world.. thats why he attacked the leaf and started the war.. as Obito stated he doesn't blame this useless reality. He doesn't care about the real world so why would he not do all of what he did?

Him trying to change the reality just because the girl he cared for died isn't really justifiable for all his actions, I know he's a villain, but his plans aren't really acted upon once he plans them.

Capture the Kyuubi and destroy the Leaf? No, he just tries to attack Minato for no reason.
Capture all Tailed Beasts and preform Project Tsuki-No-Me? Starts trying to kill everyone instead.

The worst thing about this is that if you replaced anyone in Rin's place he wouldn't be doing any of these drastic things. H'd move on and remember whoever died, but Rin? he can't accept it and tries to make a new world for himself so he can't bare to witness the real world. All because a girl he "cared for" died..

And the whole point of his plan Tsuki No Me is too give everyone a "perfect world" which is what Madara's trying to do (besides Hashirama lol) and yet right when his plan can take place, he tries to kill everyone who are going to be apart of his plan anyway.

Obito can't really decide what he wants to do, he just does things that'll destroy the world and people that he wants to give "their perfect world"

Like I said he lost his Sanity.. he's crazy now so idk why you're saying this.. isn't this what evil characters are supposed to do? Like I said Uchiha's are highly emotional which is why he is the way he is.

He's not really crazy, he's just pissed, if he was crazy I'd understand, but he's not, he's just doing whatever he wants to instead of doing the thing he's been trying to do since his beginning. If he ever does start to do what he's been trying to do I'll cut him some slack, but right now he's just brushing it off and trying to kill everyone..

 

[EliteShinobi]

Agreed, good thread.

 

[Champ]

Obito cool to me

 

[Rainbow Dash]

Still the worst villain in Naruto.

 

[david098]

obito got fodderized by kakashi hes only strong because the juubi.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

If I saw my girlfriend die in front of me, I would not start a world war.

 

[Atalaya]

Meh...Even though he says he has reasons other than Rin, most of his motivations for power involve Rin so I don't really know.

 

[Rainbow Dash]

My drivers ed instructor said he saw his girlfriend died in front of him, but all he did was become a drivers ed teacher, not start a war.

 

[Atalaya]

My drivers ed instructor said he saw his girlfriend died in front of him, but all he did was become a drivers ed teacher, not start a war.

Well it's fiction not reality...

 

[Klad]

I've always said , those who says Obito is doing this all for Rin and the worst villian are pathetic brats who still haven't gotten over Tobi being Obito .

That's all .

Good thread , Obito haters are annyoing . U_U

 

[Optimistic]

My views haven't changed, i dislike the fact that he hasn't peaked my interest in terms of being an intimidating villain.People who call him a pedophile are most likely playing around although i can see why the misconception is brought up.Obito is basically a Anti Naruto, the Naruto isn't an interesting character to me so what makes you think the Anti version is any better.Like Naruto i'm not interested in his character and motives but him as a villain is what i dislike, like i said before he isn't reaching my expectations of a 'Final villain'.

 

[scorezor]

Not reading needs paragraphs.

i don't care if you have not read, lool. your an obito believe so... its fine by me.

 

[b7718]

Lately I've been seeing people say he is the worst villain ever or I've seen them say he is a pedophile and the question is how? Show me scans where he has sexual thoughts about Rin because I've never seen them. Show me scans where he complains about Rin all the time? Really it's getting old, you guys are over exaggerating the whole "Rin Rin Rin" thing and its dumb.

Now Obito's reason to become a villain is Rin right? Correct? Yes indeed. Is it the only reason? No not all. They live in a ninja world so they run the risk of dying.. so put yourselves in Obito's spot. How would you react to seeing your love interest or at least someone who was dear to you used by someone else for their personal gain? Not only that but to see your best friend who swore to protect her kill her? Some of you would get revenge others would not but Obito did and after killing people in cold blood he was not the same person anymore and I doubt many of you would be too. If it isn't bad enough he is an Uchiha who are very emotional people, more than the normal person.

To make things worse he was also manipulated by Uchiha Madara who fed him stories of creating a world where there would be peace and no tragedies that would occur like what happened to him. Now a lot of you call bull crap on Obito using Rin as his motivation to break Madara's will over him and also using it to become the Jubi's jinchuriki. Besides that he also thought about Kakashi and Minato so I don't see anything wrong with that.Why you ask? Well love can give you the strength and drive to make you do things you wouldn't do on your own.. this translates to fiction and real life in many ways if you really think about it. The death of a dear has strengthened the reslove of many characters in show.. This has been a point shown throughout the story whether its' good or bad so why mostly hate on Obito?
Obito's reason to become the way he is because of Rin not start the war because of her.

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Obito's reason to become the way he is because of Rin not start the war because of her

So to conclude this Rin's death was a reason but it was also because of the System and Cruel World... that is what Obito wanted to change so tragedies such as what happened to him would never occur again. Obito turned out the way he was because of Rin and started the war not because of Rin but to create his ideal world. That is what people fail to grasp.

This is Obito's message to you

If you don't like his character that is fine we have our opinions but don't hate on him for the wrong things you don't understand fully U_U

Spoiler

Sure, we can do this again.



The Uchiha/Sharigan explanation... Good Lord that was brutal. Yeah... I’m privy to the sensitive nature of the Uchiha’s PMS Bloodline.

Look, I know that when all summed up on paper Obito’s character doesn’t sound all too bad, but then again so did using Hydrogen instead of Helium in blimps all those years ago. Hindsight, “Oh the humanity”.

I understand what Kishi was going for, I really do, however I strongly believe that his timing and execution were both extremely poorly carried out. I honestly don’t care one bit about this guy, and that’s a HUGE problem when the overall story revolves so heavily around him.

- Before his identity was revealed, there was a sense of mystery and forboding danger surrounding this masked man, Now... Well, my comments speak for themselves.

- Yes, we were told/shown his tragic past, but it never resinated emotionally with a large segment of the Naruto enthusiast community. It felt force-fed, poorly paced, and wayyyyyy.... too convenient.

The carefully crafted interwoven stories during the Pain arc were phenomenal. Nagato’s mask was Yahiko’s body - BRILLIANT, much like the majority of Kishi’s villains/anti-hero’s. You genuinely feel their pain and sorrow, while their intimidation factor resinate potent and larger then life. - However, no matter how powerful or tragic a character Obito's suppose to come across as, we just don't connect with him.

In the past I’ve used the story of Anakin Skywalker from Star Wars as a fine example of how you butcher a classic character by giving him questionable judgement, atrocious dialogue, and the ever fluctuating emotions of a 13 year old girl.

Vader (Tobi) Anakin (Obito)

Again, I’m sure Vader’s tragic backstory sounded reasonable all summed up on paper, however its execution was far below the quality of work the fans had come to expect from Lucas over the years.

Before I go, I just wanted to thank you for at least taking the time and making the effort to dignify your position. I understand your view, but I do hope I’ve offered you a better glimpse into ours. - Though being that I've seen you post this same comment twice since I responded to it yesterday (No response back I might add) I just don't believe you even want to acknowledge anything beyond your own point of view.

 

[Murasame]

Still the worst villain in Naruto.

Alright your opinion.. care to explain though?

obito got fodderized by kakashi hes only strong because the juubi.

You must've not read because this has nothing to do with power.

If I saw my girlfriend die in front of me, I would not start a world war.

This is fiction with a setting of a ninja world not the modern world world we know.. judging from what you said you didn't even read the thread.

Meh...Even though he says he has reasons other than Rin, most of his motivations for power involve Rin so I don't really know.

He's only used Rin as a motivation when he was about to lose control of the Jubi but he also thought of Kakashi and Minato and also when he was being controlled by Madara. Rin was a beginning point for him but there were other multiple factors that played into it as stated above.

My drivers ed instructor said he saw his girlfriend died in front of him, but all he did was become a drivers ed teacher, not start a war.

How did she die? Was she used by other people? Did his best friend kill her? Please enlighten me because I guarantee some people would want to get revenge.. not to mention Naruto is a fictional ninja world.

I've always said , those who says Obito is doing this all for Rin and the worst villian are pathetic brats who still haven't gotten over Tobi being Obito .

That's all .

Good thread , Obito haters are annyoing . U_U

Thanks for the feedback dude.. I appreciate it. =D

My views haven't changed, i dislike the fact that he hasn't peaked my interest in terms of being an intimidating villain.People who call him a pedophile are most likely playing around although i can see why the misconception is brought up.Obito is basically a Anti Naruto, the Naruto isn't an interesting character to me so what makes you think the Anti version is any better.Like Naruto i'm not interested in his character and motives but him as a villain is what i dislike, like i said before he isn't reaching my expectations of a 'Final villain'.

You can hate or like him.. that decision is all up to you, but thanks for the feedback and sharing your thoughts. Yeah I guess some people mess around with the pedophile thing but some are actually serious but wow how am I not suprised Lol Since you're a sasauge fanboy (as you declared yourself XD) I can see why you dislike or at least not like Obito(evil naruto)

i don't care if you have not read, lool. your an obito believe so... its fine by me.

Your post was utter crap no offense and you failed to provide any counter.. just a biased opinion. You can have your opinions thats fine but you're hating on him for the wrong reasons.

Sure, we can do this again.



The Uchiha/Sharigan explanation... Good Lord that was brutal. Yeah... I’m privy to the sensitive nature of the Uchiha’s PMS Bloodline.

Look, I know that when all summed up on paper Obito’s character doesn’t sound all too bad, but then again so did using Hydrogen instead of Helium in blimps all those years ago. Hindsight, “Oh the humanity”.

I understand what Kishi was going for, I really do, however I strongly believe that his timing and execution were both extremely poorly carried out. I honestly don’t care one bit about this guy, and that’s a HUGE problem when the overall story revolves so heavily around him.

- Before his identity was revealed, there was a sense of mystery and forboding danger surrounding this masked man, Now... Well, my comments speak for themselves.

- Yes, we were told/shown his tragic past, but it never resinated emotionally with a large segment of the Naruto enthusiast community. It felt force-fed, poorly paced, and wayyyyyy.... too convenient.

The carefully crafted interwoven stories during the Pain arc were phenomenal. Nagato’s mask was Yahiko’s body - BRILLIANT, much like the majority of Kishi’s villains/anti-hero’s. You genuinely feel their pain and sorrow, while their intimidation factor resinate potent and larger then life. - However, no matter how powerful or tragic a character Obito's suppose to come across as, we just don't connect with him.

In the past I’ve used the story of Anakin Skywalker from Star Wars as a fine example of how you butcher a classic character by giving him questionable judgement, atrocious dialogue, and the ever fluctuating emotions of a 13 year old girl.

Vader (Tobi) Anakin (Obito)

Again, I’m sure Vader’s tragic backstory sounded reasonable all summed up on paper, however its execution was far below the quality of work the fans had come to expect from Lucas over the years.

Before I go, I just wanted to thank you for at least taking the time and making the effort to dignify your position. I understand your view, but I do hope I’ve offered you a better glimpse into ours. - Though being that I've seen you post this same comment twice since I responded to it yesterday (No response back I might add) I just don't believe you even want to acknowledge anything beyond your own point of view.

I didn't reply because I was already making this thread besides it is not the same post as this has more proof added onto it.. besides your post wasn't even a counter to mines. That either means you know I'm right but still hate Obito.. again this is your opinion and you speak as if you represent everyone which is not the case. You don't seem to fully grasp either Anakin's character or Obito's seeing how you talk about them. As I stated above once you kill someone while also being manipulated by an evil person you are not the same person. Even before Padme died Anakin already made his descent to the darkside being influenced and tricked by Darth Sidious. When he killed Count Dooku from Sidious order and when he played in the act of the murder of Jedi Master Mace Windu he probably thought there was no going back... not to mention killing the Separatists on that Mustafar I believe he was already evil and couldn't think straight hence why he choked Padme. Padme's death only pushed him farther in the darkside.. you get it now? I already explained Obito above and you have yet to counter it except say "oh it was poorly excecuted" and things of that sort. I am open to other's view.. I don't see why you say i'm not since I've been okay with the other feedback on their point of view of Obito in previous posts. Don't act like everyone thinks the same as you because there are people who appreciate Obito's character like me.. look at polls, comments, and the thanks I recieved. His presentation might've not been good for you but it was for me. A lot of people are mad because they wanted it to be who they thought Tobi was going to be when it was obvious.. I mean there is a reason they showed Kakashi gaiden.. why kakashi always went to obito's grave and always got late.. obito's eye jutsu that was similar to kakashi's.. why kakashi found out that tobi had a sharingan when silly tobi turned to serious tobi once Itachi died. That shows Obito was probably going to play a part in the series. But hey since you're an expert mind explaining how this should've went? And please don't mistake this for me trying to make Obito look like the best because he is not but he isn't the worst as you guys say.

Him trying to change the reality just because the girl he cared for died isn't really justifiable for all his actions, I know he's a villain, but his plans aren't really acted upon once he plans them.
*sigh* you don't seem to understand the OP do you? As I said he wanted to change the ninja system and world not rin's death although I"m not saying he isn't going to put her in his ideal world. As I said there were other factors that played into so if you read the op don't make me repeat myself.
Capture the Kyuubi and destroy the Leaf? No, he just tries to attack Minato for no reason.
Capture all Tailed Beasts and preform Project Tsuki-No-Me? Starts trying to kill everyone instead.
You seem to forget he was impersonating uchiha madara who also wanted to destroy the leaf village as well. Minato also would've been a threat in the future as well and obviously he has to do killing if he is reaching his goal.. what do you expect? The villages hand over there jinchuriki peacefully?
The worst thing about this is that if you replaced anyone in Rin's place he wouldn't be doing any of these drastic things. H'd move on and remember whoever died, but Rin? he can't accept it and tries to make a new world for himself so he can't bare to witness the real world. All because a girl he "cared for" died..
What proof do you have of this? Are you Kishi? We don't know that but its not far fetched that he would probably act the same had it been his parents in Rin's position.. again Rin's death saddened him but her death also showed him the cruel word and ninja system seeing as how she was used by an opposing village.. he doesn't want tragedies like that to happen again. Once he killed in cold blood and was manipulated he wasn't the same anymore and again he was an Uchiha which also played part in it.. again look at the first scans.
And the whole point of his plan Tsuki No Me is too give everyone a "perfect world" which is what Madara's trying to do (besides Hashirama lol) and yet right when his plan can take place, he tries to kill everyone who are going to be apart of his plan anyway.
Because they are trying to stop him? Lmao dude why are you stating all of these things and making me post it all for you? It's not to hard to think about this at all.
Obito can't really decide what he wants to do, he just does things that'll destroy the world and people that he wants to give "their perfect world"
Isn't that the point? So he can have his new world replace the new current one? Besides everyone else is going against him.. he tried to get Naruto to join him and Kakashi as well but they didn't listen.

He's not really crazy, he's just pissed, if he was crazy I'd understand, but he's not, he's just doing whatever he wants to instead of doing the thing he's been trying to do since his beginning. If he ever does start to do what he's been trying to do I'll cut him some slack, but right now he's just brushing it off and trying to kill everyone..
Already countered this above... besides how is angry? Look at the scans in the OP again.

 

[b7718]

Let me try a different approach, because I just don't get a sense that you're connecting all the dots here. You were right about one thing though, I wasn't attempting to counter any of your arguments, and I'm still not (not yet anyway). So let me try this:

"The story follows the adventures of Aang, a young successor to a long line of Avatars, who must put his childhood ways aside and stop the Fire Nation from enslaving the Water, Earth and Air nations". - IMBD's brief synopsis for 2010’s "The Last Airbender".

Sounds pretty good, Right?

Even if you've only seen a handful of episodes from the original Cartoon series, you know it's a fun fantastical adventure, with an ensemble of witty and compelling characters, that has tons of fire bending action and excitement, and excellent story progression and character development. - I mean how bad could you _____ it up?

Well... M. Night certainly took it upon himself to lay that question to rest.

Now if you've seen the film, let me ask you a few questions:

- Did you like the main characters?

- Why didn’t you like them?

- Why couldn't you connect emotionally with them?

- What seemed off about the actors performances?

- The acting was terrible, but what made their bad acting worse?

- You’re right, the dialogue wasn’t funny, witty, or naturally spoken, but what else about them didn’t sit well with you?

- Why did you have trouble justifying their actions and behaviors throughout the film?

- Did everything that occurred in the film seem to flow naturally, or did the progression feel mechanical and rely heavily upon convenience?

- Do you see where I’m going with this?

The content was there, it was poor execution (the pacing, the dialogue, the behaviors, Etc, etc, etc) on many levels that made that film the steaming pile of flop that it is.

There's about a dozen things about Obito that don’t sit well with me, and it goes beyond his feats, motives, and backstory. It's not just the Rin thing (though it certainly doesn't help), many things about him bother us.

The overall concept of Obito, Not Bad.

The execution of his character, Bad.

Again, "everyone" does not share this view, however there is segment of the community that does, and I am an example of one of them.

 

[Murasame]

Let me try a different approach, because I just don't get a sense that you're connecting all the dots here. You were right about one thing though, I wasn't attempting to counter any of your arguments, and I'm still not (not yet anyway). So let me try this:

"The story follows the adventures of Aang, a young successor to a long line of Avatars, who must put his childhood ways aside and stop the Fire Nation from enslaving the Water, Earth and Air nations". - IMBD's brief synopsis for 2010’s "The Last Airbender".

Sounds pretty good, Right?

Even if you've only seen a handful of episodes from the original Cartoon series, you know it's a fun fantastical adventure, with an ensemble of witty and compelling characters, that has tons of fire bending action and excitement, and excellent story progression and character development. - I mean how bad could you _____ it up?

Well... M. Night certainly took it upon himself to lay that question to rest.

Now if you've seen the film, let me ask you a few questions:

- Did you like the main characters?

- Why didn’t you like them?

- Why couldn't you connect emotionally with them?

- What seemed off about the actors performances?

- The acting was terrible, but what made their bad acting worse?

- You’re right, the dialogue wasn’t funny, witty, or naturally spoken, but what else about them didn’t sit well with you?

- Why did you have trouble justifying their actions and behaviors throughout the film?

- Did everything that occurred in the film seem to flow naturally, or did the progression feel mechanical and rely heavily upon convenience?

- Do you see where I’m going with this?

The content was there, it was poor execution (the pacing, the dialogue, the behaviors, Etc, etc, etc) on many levels that made that film the steaming pile of flop that it is.

There's about a dozen things about Obito that don’t sit well with me, and it goes beyond his feats, motives, and backstory. It's not just the Rin thing (though it certainly doesn't help), many things about him bother us.

The overall concept of Obito, Not Bad.

The execution of his character, Bad.

Again, "everyone" does not share this view, however there is segment of the community that does, and I am an example of one of them.

Opinion of course but if you feel that you feel that way.. nothing I can do to change that but like I said you're taking this off topic since the whole point was about Obito and Rin how he became a villain and the factors that played into it. People have the wrong idea of Obito and this thread was to make them see things they didn't take any consideration into.

Anyways if you believe his character was executed poorly would you mind telling me how? I'm curious.

 

[accept pain]

east and west , obito is best

 

[ShiningStar]

This thread isn't going to make people like Obito. You're just making it worse.