For those saying Boruto manga is canon.

[lndra]

dragonball super manga is non canon.

The manga is canon

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

LMAO!!

But seriously. Manga series, not anime, are usually canon. In fact, I don't think it's heard of to make a non canon Manga series.

At least I haven't seen it.

kishi is not even drawing it. you not gonna convince anybody that this shit is canon.

atleast akira drew SS4.

 

[Ambivalence]

Bowflex's so afraid Naruto and Sasuke are going to get more feats. :lol

 

[lndra]

Actually 'fan-canon' does exist, it's called 'fanon', but it's basically fanfic and that's besides our point.

The term 'canon' in fiction is something used by fans to distinguish what content is genuine in the story line.

Point I'm making is that it only exists here, and no, I'm speaking specifically on 'what canon dictates in other countries'. It seems to be a big problem here, but in Japan, not so much.

You said it yourself @bold1. That is what's universally accepted as canon. This new series however is not done by Kishimoto personally, even if he approves of it, it's still a different author and series all together. Mitsuki's one shot is canon because Kishi will write/draw it, but you're gonna have a hard time trying to convince everyone that the Boruto series is canon, because like we already established, what's universally accepted as canon is Kishimoto's manga serialization.

I already made a post on Kishimoto's and the new works logic. The point I'm making here is that Kishimoto is done with Naruto promptly. The One shot, is a one shot, the man pointed out that he is working on something else, that being the Sci Fi Manga coming out in the future.

He handed the series onto someone else, which is his editor and the Novel script writer. Basically, the next generation series rights are given to someone else. Kishimoto is only there to supervise the entire program. Doesn't change the fact that this Manga series, is canon.

I mean can you list any Manga series that are not canon?

@Underlined: A manga doesn't have any more credibility than a movie or an anime episode if it's done by a different author. What makes the manga undoubtedly canon is the fact it is Kishimoto's (the creator's) work, and he happens to be a mangaka, but when the mangaka is somebody else, then that's no longer the case, and it doesn't hold anymore relevance than a movie supervised by Kishi.

You do realize that the Anime is made from the Manga right? This comment itself is contradictory, why do you think fillers exists? Or Movies? Because they aren't in the Manga.

Anyway I already spoke about it above.

So like I said previously, this new series doesn't stand on the same ground as Masashi Kishimoto's NARUTO serialization. And 'canon' is a subjective and fan made concept, the only thing that universally accepted as canon is Kishi's manga serialization. Anything else will always be subject to people's opinions.

The new series isn't Kishimoto's anymore. He handed it over to someone else.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

Bowflex's so afraid Naruto and Sasuke are going to get more feats. :lol

unless the feat is 6paths CT with no seals, its garbage in a VS against madara.

 

[rinnegan human puppet]

Point I'm making is that it only exists here, and no, I'm speaking specifically on 'what canon dictates in other countries'. It seems to be a big problem here, but in Japan, not so much.



I already made a post on Kishimoto's and the new works logic. The point I'm making here is that Kishimoto is done with Naruto promptly. The One shot, is a one shot, the man pointed out that he is working on something else, that being the Sci Fi Manga coming out in the future.

He handed the series onto someone else, which is his editor and the Novel script writer. Basically, the next generation series rights are given to someone else. Kishimoto is only there to supervise the entire program. Doesn't change the fact that this Manga series, is canon.

I mean can you list any Manga series that are not canon?


You do realize that the Anime is made from the Manga right? This comment itself is contradictory, why do you think fillers exists? Or Movies? Because they aren't in the Manga.

Anyway I already spoke about it above.


The new series isn't Kishimoto's anymore. He handed it over to someone else.

wrong, kishimoto didnt sell or give his copyright ownership of naruto. it still belongs to him. this isnt the same case as lucas arts and disney, naruto belongs to kishi, therefor anything outside of his story telling and art is filler manga or not.

 

[Endles Waltz]

Point I'm making is that it only exists here, and no, I'm speaking specifically on 'what canon dictates in other countries'. It seems to be a big problem here, but in Japan, not so much.



I already made a post on Kishimoto's and the new works logic. The point I'm making here is that Kishimoto is done with Naruto promptly. The One shot, is a one shot, the man pointed out that he is working on something else, that being the Sci Fi Manga coming out in the future.

He handed the series onto someone else, which is his editor and the Novel script writer. Basically, the next generation series rights are given to someone else. Kishimoto is only there to supervise the entire program. Doesn't change the fact that this Manga series, is canon.

Actually it does, that's the whole point.

Some people will argue it (like what you are doing right now) but it will never be universally accepted as canon because it's not his work.

You do realize that the Anime is made from the Manga right?

Of course lol, I didn't even mention the anime, this was random.

EDIT: Actually I understand why you brought this up, since a manga is the original source then it has to be canon, right? In this case the new series has it's own canon, which studios can animate and even add fillers to. But people will always argue that it is separate from Kishimoto's canon.

I mean can you list any Manga series that are not canon?


This comment itself is contradictory, why do you think fillers exists? Or Movies? Because they aren't in the Manga.

Anyway I already spoke about it above.


The new series isn't Kishimoto's anymore. He handed it over to someone else.

Nothing's contradictory, it's very simple, the manga is universally accepted as canon to NARUTO (which is Kishi's story) because it's Kishimoto's work, but since this is a different author and it's only supervised by him, then it no longer has anymore credibility than a movie supervised by Kishi.

 

[deadp00l]

Kishi will write a one shot himself.

Yes, the new manga will Canon just like the Last and Boruto the movie because they are continuation of Naruto with Kishi's work connecting them.

What more is needed. Do you need Kishi to sign the pages with his blood?

 

[lndra]

Actually it does, that's the whole point.

Some people will argue it (like what you are doing right now) but it will never be universally accepted as canon because it's not his work.

No one argues over canon when it comes to Manga.

Of course lol, I didn't even mention the anime, this was random.

EDIT: Actually I understand why you brought this up, since a manga is the original source then it has to be canon, right? In this case the new series has it's own canon, which studios can animate and even add fillers to. But people will always argue that it is separate from Kishimoto's canon.

The problem is they can't because the new series isn't Kishimoto's anymore. He gave it away basically. You can complain that this isn't what Kishimoto wanted, and you can argue that Kishimoto's story differs from the new 'one', but they are both canon overall.

Even I don't like the outcome.

Nothing's contradictory, it's very simple, the manga is universally accepted as canon to NARUTO (which is Kishi's story) because it's Kishimoto's work, but since this is a different author and it's only supervised by him, then it no longer has anymore credibility than a movie supervised by Kishi.

Manga in itself is universally accepted. Its credibility is the fact that SJ is releasing a monthly series dedicated to Naruto again, meaning they are taking this as a serious piece of work, it isn't an animated Movie, this is the real deal.

We are basically entering NARUTO Manga once again :/

Edit: But don't get me wrong, I totally understand what you are saying. The only problem is that this series is just too pinpointed in being one directional. You know what I mean? One thing is an animated series, but a full fledged Manga series?

I already know people will voice their concern over the Manga not being Kishimoto's, in which they won't take seriously. However, it doesn't change the fact that the story is written to be canon nevertheless.

That's the saddening thing.

 

[Natsu Shazneel]

Rather it is canon or not is not a matter of concern. Its the sheer quality it will be missing out on that will be a concerning factor. So far the Author has shown he has shitty art. That presents one issue too many. Whats left now is the story. If the story is slightly out of character it will cause even more issues for the fandom.

In my honest opinion if any of the art or story is messed up. Even if you consider it canon it won't make a difference in the quality being shitty. Which could easily make people turn away from the series.

 

[Magnolius]

Thank you, I'm proud of you for proving what's wrong with this community

 

[Endles Waltz]

No one argues over canon when it comes to Manga.

Yet many people won't consider this canon to Naruto's story because it isn't Kishi's work. You've seen this over the past few days.

It's like I said, yes this new series is a manga, but it can and will develop it's own canon.

The problem is they can't because the new series isn't Kishimoto's anymore. He gave it away basically. You can complain that this isn't what Kishimoto wanted, and you can argue that Kishimoto's story differs from the new 'one', but they are both canon overall.

Even I don't like the outcome.

@Bold: Exactly, the new series isn't Kishimoto's, which is why so many can easily consider this non-canon to his story.

Manga in itself is universally accepted. Its credibility is the fact that SJ is releasing a monthly series dedicated to Naruto again, meaning they are taking this as a serious piece of work, it isn't an animated Movie, this is the real deal.

We are basically entering NARUTO Manga once again :/

Are you really still not getting my point? We aren't discussing whether the manga will be accepted it or it's credibility as it's own work, but in relation to the original series. This manga will never be universally (meaning by all people) accepted as canon to Kishi's story, because he's not working on it.

Anyways, there's no point in going in circles.

 

[lndra]

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I made an edit before you posted. Dunno if you want to read it, but I'll respond afterwards, with or without the edit made lol.

 

[Magnolius]

The new manga will not be canon to Kishi's part of the manga... :sdo:

 

[Honord Sage]

Example majority of Star Track tv episode original and nex generation were righten by other people under its creator supervision like DC Fontana who created the Romulans and its Star Track canon.

 

[Magnolius]

Example majority of Star Track tv episode original and nex generation were righten by other people under its creator supervision like DC Fontana who created the Romulans and its Star Track canon.

Then it isn't canon :sdo: or at least not to the parts written by the creator directly.

 

[Kamui Sama]

Its a direct continuation of the series, but take it as you wish lol

Toriyama didn't create battle of gods himself, I'm pretty sure he just created the designs and revised some of the script. As for Resurrection of F and the upcoming universe tournament arc he was involved in making an overall plot but toei is in charge of adding in details and they are changing plot points from the movies. Now, would you consider DB super to be canon? I would.

Its not exactly the same case with this one since we don't know if Kishi will be involved with the plot but as a supervisor i'm sure he will have some degree of influence.

 

[Magnolius]

Its a direct continuation of the series, but take it as you wish lol

Toriyama didn't create battle of gods himself, I'm pretty sure he just created the designs and revised some of the script. As for Resurrection of F and the upcoming universe tournament arc he was involved in making an overall plot but toei is in charge of adding in details and they are changing plot points from the movies. Now, would you consider DB super to be canon? I would.

Its not exactly the same case with this one since we don't know if Kishi will be involved with the plot but as a supervisor i'm sure he will have some degree of influence.

Still not canon :sdo:

 

[Kamui Sama]

also, not everything is clear cut like GT when it comes to canon and non-canon. Just look at star wars, George Lucas isn't writing the story but you would be stupid to disregard the new trilogy :lol

Still not canon :sdo:

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[Magnolius]

also, not everything is clear cut like GT when it comes to canon and non-canon. Just look at star wars, George Lucas isn't writing the story but you would be stupid to disregard the new trilogy :lol

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