For all of Sasuke's supposed genius, why was he so old and still in the Academy?

[JStar King]

This thread got rekt so fast and Nardo faps still can't counter, so they rely on bias opinions and bashing. Sasuke was not in the era of war, which pushed for children of early age to graduate from the academy. That is all. However, for some who believe Minato was leagues above Sasuke, take this L.

On another note, Nardo faps, who are only depending on bashing and posting damage control post to hide their salt just take this and swallow your pride....

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[gerizzyYMcrew]

except that was early beginning if am correct, kakashi hadent displayed ms yet as naruto wont know about it. narutos statement was dumb as naruto himself.

naruto's statement was "better at using sharingan than sasuke" which he arguably was

 

[shelke]

Minato knew he was obito the moment obito came back from kamui dimension. Are you referring to the 1st fight between minato and obito? If so minato's deduction skills were awesome in that fight heck obito showed intangibility to MS sasuke and sasuke could do nothing about it and decided to be side kick of obito. At least obito was more wary of itachi compared to sasuke. And against madara he lead them all to a successful attack even though gai was the aggressor, minato was the planner. Just like how kakashi was the one against kaguya even though narusasu were the aggressors.

Huh? I am talking about his first Obito encounter. What does being a side-kick have anything to do with this topic? Funny, Sasuke is the "quickest" one to figure out that the attacks pass through rather than him being a projection or a genjutsu like Team Kakashi thought, and that too from just a single attack in the past!

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Your post has nothing to do with strategic feats.

Rubbish

This stupid reply has nothing to do with my post. No, please, talk about the actual feats.

 

[King Of Pop]

=Oblivionx;20975335]lol what? what strategy? sasuke could see limbo and they fought it head on. And no that's not even close to minato's feat of dealing with black orbs.

wrong. him seeing it has nothing to do with him fugring out that they limbo has a cooldown by which they return to madaras body and it takes some secs before madara can activate it again, or figuring out that attacks containing sages chakra can harm them. he then came up with a plan to defeat it in which madara praised him for it. thats just one of his feats btw.

he also didnt slack even when the hokages were around as seen when he analyzed what the edo hokages were doing(using their edo body as an advantage) against obito and laid it out for naruto, impressing minato in the process.

 

[Zavage10]

Kid Itachi was trained by Shisui and his father to be the next head of their clan. Kid Sasuke was trained by Iruka....

 

[NarutoX28]

Itachi was in the ANBU and yolo'ing entire nations and Kakashi was a jounin and fighting full blown adults by the time, Minato was a "once in a lifetime" genius at a young age, etc, while Sasuke was just graduating to genin. What gives?

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Besides that one Orochimaru wet-dream comment, there's not a whole lot. I think Neji might have more genius talk. Doesn't really compare, does it :elmo:

Same reason why Lee was a loser yet became a genius according to Kakashi.

 

[Jiren]

Man these naruto slurpers sure like looking stupid for downplaying sasuke once again

 

[Oblivionx]

Huh? I am talking about his first Obito encounter. What does being a side-kick have anything to do with this topic? Funny, Sasuke is the "quickest" one to figure out that the attacks pass through rather than him being a projection or a genjutsu like Team Kakashi thought, and that too from just a single attack in the past!

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Your post has nothing to do with strategic feats.

so your sasuke fanboyism is blinding you i see. The best criteria to judge someone is to put them against same opponent thus obito and kamui. Sasuke didn't think that was genjutsu because of his MS and inexperience and him not thinking it's a genjutsu without figuring out what it was is actually a negative not plus since he couldn't even throw in a wild guess. And he said i passed right through him just like before. LOL so sasuke from deidara's fight up until this point couldn't figure anything out other than i passed right through him. And decided to be obito's sidekick there after this scan. Because he couldn't figure out obito's ability thus no way to defeat him. Kakashi already suspected obito's ability to be S/T. it was shino who rejected that theory though kakashi still had his doubts unlike sasuke. And minato in his 1st encounter figured out kamui in minutes.

wrong. him seeing it has nothing to do with him fugring out that they limbo has a cooldown by which they return to madaras body and it takes some secs before madara can activate it again, or figuring out that attacks containing sages chakra can harm them. he then came up with a plan to defeat it in which madara praised him for it. thats just one of his feats btw.

he also didnt slack even when the hokages were around as seen when he analyzed what the edo hokages were doing(using their edo body as an advantage) against obito and laid it out for naruto, impressing minato in the process.

Him seeing it has nothing to do with figuring it out? Lemme break it down for you. He could see madara create limbos, limbos going back to madara after sometime and the time it took madara to create limbos again. Yeah that was perceptive of him, sasuke isn't a total noob obviously. I was never giving that impression but had sasuke figured out limbo as EMS then you'd have had a point. All EMS said about limbo is, what is this (or something similar). And that's the whole point, when hokages were around he was just analyzing, and that's not enough to be on the level of itachi, minato, kakashi and even tobirama.

 

[shelke]

so your sasuke fanboyism is blinding you i see. The best criteria to judge someone is to put them against same opponent thus obito and kamui. Sasuke didn't think that was genjutsu because of his MS and inexperience and him not thinking it's a genjutsu without figuring out what it was is actually a negative not plus since he couldn't even throw in a wild guess. And he said i passed right through him just like before. LOL so sasuke from deidara's fight up until this point couldn't figure anything out other than i passed right through him. And decided to be obito's sidekick there after this scan. Because he couldn't figure out obito's ability thus no way to defeat him. Kakashi already suspected obito's ability to be S/T. it was shino who rejected that theory though kakashi still had his doubts unlike sasuke. And minato in his 1st encounter figured out kamui in minutes.

Funny, because Kakashi couldn't figure it out so easily either; the guy you put above Sasuke. All it took was a single hit from Sasuke to realize that his attack slipped through. As for Genjutsu, then all individuals, even Naruto, could figure out that they were in a Genjutsu. I highly doubt Minato is that low in regards to "figuring things out." And by the way, he has no MS out in that panel.

Huh? No, the manga is making Sasuke tell people through "just like before ..." So, the analysis remains the same. Gotta hand it to you that the page isn't even crowded with any text and you still missed it. What does being a side-kick have anything to do with this discussion? Nothing at all.

What doubts? Sakura got the analysis right. Not him.

 

[Oblivionx]

Funny, because Kakashi couldn't figure it out so easily either; the guy you put above Sasuke. All it took was a single hit from Sasuke to realize that his attack slipped through. As for Genjutsu, then all individuals, even Naruto, could figure out that they were in a Genjutsu. I highly doubt Minato is that low in regards to "figuring things out." And by the way, he has no MS out in that panel.

Huh? No, the manga is making Sasuke tell people through "just like before ..." So, the analysis remains the same. Gotta hand it to you that the page isn't even crowded with any text and you still missed it. What does being a side-kick have anything to do with this discussion? Nothing at all.

What doubts? Sakura got the analysis right. Not him.

kakashi never attacked obito like sasuke did so obviously his comments were going to be different. And genjutsu was a real possibility sasuke was inexperienced and overconfident when i comes to genjutsu thus he didn't think of that possibility. And if you mean sasuke was telling others "jus like before" then you take a look at sasuke's face :elmo: . And kakashi is above sasuke because in similar situations kakashi prevailed while sasuke was failing to come up with a strategic plan i.e kaguya. But i guess i have had enough and so have you. So ty and itachi solos.

 

[shelke]

kakashi never attacked obito like sasuke did so obviously his comments were going to be different. And genjutsu was a real possibility sasuke was inexperienced and overconfident when i comes to genjutsu thus he didn't think of that possibility. And if you mean sasuke was telling others "jus like before" then you take a look at sasuke's face :elmo: . And kakashi is above sasuke because in similar situations kakashi prevailed while sasuke was failing to come up with a strategic plan i.e kaguya. But i guess i have had enough and so have you. So ty and itachi solos.

Others were. He was passive observer, which gives him better room to watch and study. But, gotta come up with pointless excuses. Sakura also never attacked him. She got it right.

Inexperienced in what sense? Now you are just making stuff up. Failing in what sense? Sasuke never even gave a proper plan.

 

[kiiro]

Orochimaru graduated at 6 years old and look at his words.

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Sasuke was, in fact, a genius, restrained by the plot so Kishimoto could tell stories about Team 7.

Didnt't see that. This shows that Hiruzen didn't have any other talent that just being good using jutsu. In fact, he isnt good at strategys or tactics or anylizing things.

Orochimaru does have talent and him and Hiruzen against the unknown is clearly that Orochimaru wuld outsmart Hiruzen.

So, Minato > Itachi > Kakashi > Tobirama > Sasuke > Orochimaru > Hiruzen.

Or that is how i see it.

 

[kiiro]

Itachi was in the ANBU and yolo'ing entire nations and Kakashi was a jounin and fighting full blown adults by the time, Minato was a "once in a lifetime" genius at a young age, etc, while Sasuke was just graduating to genin. What gives?

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Besides that one Orochimaru wet-dream comment, there's not a whole lot. I think Neji might have more genius talk. Doesn't really compare, does it :elmo:

Don't worry about the dislikes. You said all the true. Sasuke is talented but not as much as Minato, Kakashi and Itachi. Those are the only true geniuses.

And this how i see it. Minato > Itachi > Kakashi.

 

[kiiro]

Itachi minato and kakashi are three of the most prodigious characters in manga. Sasuke pales in comparison and the clear evidence is that minato planned battle against madara when kakashi was around and kakashi planned battle against kaguya when sasuke was around. And about seniority being a factor, sasuke wasn't even giving a damn about kakashi and they couldn't come up with a plan till kakashi gave them one. Plus kakashi wasn't showing much insight when he was with minato and was asking him what to do. Now obviously minato was the sensei so that played a part but kakashi could have easily inputted something beneficial but it was all minato there.
Itachi is beyond needing explanations obviously.

Better explanation cant be. You are right. Gai said the same while fighting against Obito. It was Gai, Kakashi, Naruto and Bee. Gai said to Kakashi to lead because there was no one better than him when it comes to strategy.

So Minato > Itachi > Kakashi

 

[Sauce]

Anyways, this is a reply to my thread... Sasuke is obviously smarter than Neji, don't be an idiot, we don't need talk to prove this, only action.

Created his own jutsu (blaze release enton)
Created Indra's arrow
Don't get me started on chakra control
Somewhat gained knowledge of 6 paths abilities in battle.
His battle with danzo, deidara, and Itachi were all strategic
Etc.

Don't be a fool, and you disregard sasuke's genius but listen to Naruto when he says "kakashi has better sharingan than sasuke..." lmao there's no such thing as a better sharingan my n i g g a

Sasuke is more talented than Itachi, but not smarter... Itachi also learned from Shishui and the third in addition to his father. Sasuke learned a little from kakshi then orochimaru then the rest was himself.

The only reason Sasuke is talented at all is because Itachi spared his life twice, not including that he would've been killed my kabuto if not for Itachi. Wank post ended

 

[Im Still Robin]

He got a hit tho.

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Unlike ya boy who was one paneled in a desert.

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ya man's Susanoo was taking mean L's. Even Sakura tagged her ass before Sasuke.

Thank you for stating why hitting Kaguya doesn't matter... unless you're going to suggest .. "Oh, Sakura even hit Kaguya she's obviously better and smarter than Sasuke"

That's basically what you're suggesting .. is it not? You're not? So then why does it matter if Sasuke hits Kaguya or not fool? Oh, it clearly doesn't if even Sakura hit her.

Sasuke hit Naruto and Madara while Naruto hasn't even touched Madara, leh chicken, case closed.

 

[To Whatever]

Thank you for stating why hitting Kaguya doesn't matter... unless you're going to suggest .. "Oh, Sakura even hit Kaguya she's obviously better and smarter than Sasuke"

That's basically what you're suggesting .. is it not? You're not? So then why does it matter if Sasuke hits Kaguya or not fool? Oh, it clearly doesn't if even Sakura hit her.

Sasuke hit Naruto and Madara while Naruto hasn't even touched Madara, leh chicken, case closed.

Both of them are idiots... and Naruto hit Madara.


Just sayin, when it came down to the world ending. Sakura stepped up and handled her shit. She allowed the duo to seal her. Prior to that, Sasuke allowed himself to be captured. What if Obito was dead. There would have been no way for Sasuke to return and Naruto can only hold off a Goddess for so long. His dumb ass probably would have ended up dying too.

Don't act like it's a "oh wow, she punched her" nah fam she literally was the deciding factor on whether Kakashi's plan was gonna work.

Kakashi was the coach

Sakura was the QB

Naruto and Sasuke were the WR.

Kaguya was the ball.

Sakura literally put her in their hands fam.

"Hitting her didn't matter" ppfft

 

[RasenUchihaChaos]

Calm down ladies

 

[shelke]

The only reason Sasuke is talented at all is because Itachi spared his life twice, not including that he would've been killed my kabuto if not for Itachi. Wank post ended

Just like Itachi was saved by Sasuke in that fight? Kabuto wasn't even aiming to kill. Wank post ended, I guess?

 

[thood]

Created Indra's arrow

Not to nitpick here, but I'm quite positive Sasuke did NOT invent Indra's Arrow... there's a reason it's called INDRA's Arrow lol