Flying Thunder God Technique not all it's cracked up to be

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ftg god is useless to shinra tensai all kunai are going out of his area or nagato can just use the kunai to bring them to him if minato want's to teleport he's basically coming to nagato, nagato can just hit him with the rod then
remeber its a 5 second window if naruto can throw himself im sure minato can throw a few kuni
 
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you guys acting like minato didnt have the skill to execute the flying thunder god, he doesnt need kunai all he has to do is touch you and he had the taijutsu skill to do so if he wants to, the man is the best hokage ever in the hidden leaf it is said alot of times in the manga and the anime probably the best ninja that was ever born thats why people wont forget about him even though he is dead.
 

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ftg god is useless to shinra tensai all kunai are going out of his area or nagato can just use the kunai to bring them to him if minato want's to teleport he's basically coming to nagato, nagato can just hit him with the rod then
Dude dont be stupid use your head,He was known for way more than that technique -.- and he owns everyone! period
 

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remeber its a 5 second window if naruto can throw himself im sure minato can throw a few kuni
Dude dont be stupid use your head,He was known for way more than that technique -.- and he owns everyone! period
minato is getting pushed by gravity he's not throwing a kunai because he has not shown a buffer force to do so for him to even attack on the interval.
ftg is not good against someone that can control gravity.


anyway stop ftg is his signature technique to use and i gave an example of why it's not good against gravity.
 

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When have we seen Minato use hand seals for FTG??

NEVER- that is a big advantage over his opponet, they dont know when hes going to use it only when hes going to dodge an attack but the only attacks fast enough to be dodged by FGT is Madaras Space/time Tech, Itachis MS techs and Rikages techs. With the exeption of those attacks, all Minato needs to do is Use basic Teleportation to dadge them.

And To put it nicely You came at it a simple. Since You came with that simple strategy to counter it, Minato will just change his strategy up. Its that simple. U_U

First of all, Minato Doesnt throw Kunai at the enamy, He throws them at the Battle field
and He summons danm near 70 of them out of a summoning stroll

Avoid being tagged
Defend against an attacking kunai or Rasengan
U_U easier said than done.

I know pple make it seem like "wow" but get real, Minato can get to his enemy many ways and .....

Granted he won't throw the kunai directly at you, but you can still thwart the path of the ones headed towards you. And stop them from landing behind you. This way you'd only need to be cautious of attacks originating in front of you
-__- Wow basicaly your sayin that the opponent has to keep evading the Kunai

FYI:~ easier to throw them than to keep them from getting behind you ~FYI

But wait o.o All Minato has to do is get behind the opponent by making him defend from the opposite direction. plus what makes you think that he FTG is only effective from behind.

Your strategy will still get you f%cked Up By FTG


FTG comes with a cost. It still eats your chakra
Minato has a limited supply of kunai
Minato used FTG how many times?? Oh, 7-8 times, To add on to of that, Space-time barrier, and 4 sealing types
and sealed what left of chakra he had in Naruto.Theres probably more stuff than that so I would say that he Has a 4.6 out of 5 chakra level and that more than most shinobi.

and in all those attacks he doged, he had no time what so ever to do hand seals so thats one ofth big advanteges of FTG.

In addition (this is extra, you don't have to read it):
last I saw, FTG can Defend against the '' S rank '' techs and he showed it 5 times lil Jimmie so I leave it to you grasp that thougt.;)



Ladies and gentlemen, we've defeated FTG (or at least created a sort of stalemate).
Minato can't harm you
Minato can't outpace you
Minato can't get near you
Yea, the only thing you defeated is your imaginary pet Ducky and That stalemate your talkin about is brain unwilling to comperhend what is real and fake and because Im a great sport, I'll help you to tip the tide a little......

~your arguments were so simple that I didnt even need to go advance for it, and the FTG is what it is-

a Beast of an attack ~
 
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If the raikage was so fast why didnt he kill sasuke with his batista bomb?
How is minato going to get close enough to sasuke to stop him from using susano at the beginning of the battle?
Lolxd

What is the batista bomb?I think you mean Liger Bomb, in which the raikage picks someone up and slams them.And the raikage didn't kill sasuke with his liger bomb because sasuke used Susanoo.Now what does that have to do with the raikage speed?And who said Minato has to stop sasuke from using susanoo?Susanoo takes eats up a lot of chakra, in a game of waiting, minato has the advantage.
the Batista Bump Was a Westling move that was used by a guy named Batista
its basicaly a powerbomp- heres a video

 

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Ok, I didn't read the entire thread, so if this has already been mentioned, sorry, but has anyone given thought to the possibility that there are more than 2 levels of FTG? He and Madara never finished their battle, so we can't be sure. As has been mentioned, he has only been shown in a few chapters, which means that we don't know everything about him. He could be (and most likely is) more powerful than what is shown in the few chapters that involve him fighting. And although FTG is apparently his main move, it is not his only one, which means that stopping FTG does not mean you will be able to defeat him. He's the one who invented the rasengan, and also that demon seal thing. Plus he managed to teleport an entire TTB miles away. So clearly he has more up his sleeve. So all this thread is is based off assumptions, he may be just as weak as the creator of this thread says he is or (as I believe), he is more powerful still.
 

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Your making it sound completely easy. Is almost like doing this:
"Ok to save the world, you only have to jump inside this pool of piranhas, grab the key, swim back to the island of hope, fight a dragon, and deactivate the equipment". I can basically give you all hints possible to make something incredible simple, but in reality is not.
Another, much more believable example are sports, you watch them every single time, you can see the movements of professionals, think you can beat them, but in the end you will still be beat, you of course have a chance to win, but is limited.
He has done at least 3 fights involving FTG, the three of them were completely different, all based on the same technique. He had help from his fellow comrades too throw hundreds of kunai at the enemy, and swip them down. He used a moving kunai to teleport behind Madara. He left a kunai besides A after teleporting, then teleporting back the same second.
You cannot judge his thought process by simply using his Kunai usage and throwing everything away. Minato is a remarkable genius, and his process of analyzation are amazing, he wont spam the same movements over and over. Don't judge Minato's potential by 3 fights and his kunai, FTG can be used even without them, and Minato is free to mark anywhere he places his hand into.
His base speed exceeds normal speed. He has been shown to be fast enough for Sharingan to follow, as seen when Madara tried to strike Naruto baby.



Again, preparing something is completely hard when you dont have enough data about the enemy. Even an enemy with excellent analyzation and strategy. Your seriously underestimating his skills. The "obviously attempt" to teleport to the closest kunai is in the gray areas, he be able to teleport to the closest kunai before your able to identify which is the closest kunai.
FTG does not require handseals, if it did, he be long dead when he fought raikage. The reason he created rasengan was to use techniques that do not use handseals, which easily facilitate his speed and strikes.


FTG does not cost chakra. The reason it doesnt is because is based on Fuinjutsu, the liberation of sealed chakra to create ninjutsu. Even if it consumes chakra, the amount of chakra used is minuscular compared to other techniques.
Minato has at least 30 kunai in his pocket, right? He is able to use Shadow Shuriken Clone Jutsu to multiply a single kunai into a 1000, so he pretty much has around 30000 kunai at his disposal.
Even if he has no kunai available, it doesnt mean he is unable to use FTG, he is able to put seals in rocks, the floor, animals, trees. Just thinking that the Kunai are a neccesity is a lie.

In addition (this is extra, you don't have to read it):
Highest ranking jutsu
Their use is quite self-explanatory
  • Izanagi
  • Susano’o
  • Amaterasu
  • Shinra tensei

Low-class ninjutsu

High-class ninjutsu
Shadow Clone Jutsu
Uses:
  1. Diversionary tactic
Wind affinity
High-level Wind technique- use is quite self-explanatory - scatter away kunai

Earth affinity

Water affinity

Medical ninjutsu/Healing

Taijutsu

To paralyze/disable:
i.e. disable his body – a leg(s) or arm(s)

  • Poison – Sasori

Match his speed or reflexes
(To react to his movement i.e. to react quickly enough to dodge his strike when he reappears after teleporting)

  1. Gate release
  2. Lightning Armour technique
  3. Senjutsu augmented speed
  4. Jinchuriki speed
  5. Shunshin masters – Shisui, Sasuke…
  6. Swift release
  7. THREE tomoe sharingan precognition
  8. Near 360 degree Byakugan vision

Intagibility
  1. Kamui

Flight

  1. Oonoki
  2. Muu
  3. Gaara’s sand
  4. Deidara’s clay
  5. Sasuke’s hawk summoning
    --an air oriented summoning technique will suffice
  6. Nagato

Kekkei genkai

Targetting the kunai
  1. Amaterasu kunai
  2. Spoil seal formula – Lava KG…etc…

Target environment/surroundings

Destroy surroundings
To disperse of tagged kunai:

Smash ground – powerful chakra enhanced ground attack i.e Tsunade, Sakura...etc…

Advantage of terrain
Water – or other high-level water techniques

Air - flight

Desert – sinking kunai,



You have not defeated FTG yet, you got a basic plan on what to do in case you confront it, but the variables are infinite. You cannot judge how a battle will go, and if you where infront of him, I doubt you be able to react to his base skill, much less his kunais been launch at you, which will reach you before you notice.



True, FTG isnt instant dead, is an instant supplementary jutsu. The deadliness of the technique falls when Minato is able to react to his own movement and act accordingly, which makes his moves much less anticipated.
Minato isn't overrated, but is underestimated.

Yay to put it man. since pple want to rep stuff that doesnt make any case,

I'll rep you and so that pple can see your argument if they so happend to miss it.
 

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Ok, I didn't read the entire thread, so if this has already been mentioned, sorry, but has anyone given thought to the possibility that there are more than 2 levels of FTG? He and Madara never finished their battle, so we can't be sure. As has been mentioned, he has only been shown in a few chapters, which means that we don't know everything about him. He could be (and most likely is) more powerful than what is shown in the few chapters that involve him fighting. And although FTG is apparently his main move, it is not his only one, which means that stopping FTG does not mean you will be able to defeat him. He's the one who invented the rasengan, and also that demon seal thing. Plus he managed to teleport an entire TTB miles away. So clearly he has more up his sleeve. So all this thread is is based off assumptions, he may be just as weak as the creator of this thread says he is or (as I believe), he is more powerful still.

Ok, I didn't read the entire thread, so if this has already been mentioned, sorry, but has anyone given thought to the possibility that there are more than 2 levels of FTG?
xd way to sound so innosent there man-xd

and you'r absolutly right, We do know though that Menato als used summoning cus his name was on the strol and he was abl to tame the Chief too. He had to either used wind chakra in his kunai to cut the 8 tail's tail off or he used pure strenght.Even with that He was able to becom Hokage so he must have a lot more that we didnt see.
 

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someone like shikaku, shikamaru, kakashi, or sasuke can keep track of the kunai and sharingan users will be able to track his speed and movements therefore able to keep an eye out for him.

Minato was only able to wipe out battalions as shown from kakashi gaiden with the help of his own guys spreading his kunai around the battle field and have you realized that most ninja not really part of the main series are canon fodder. For example look at the war how many of those guys did the mizukage slay or what about the countless samurai lives sasuke ended in mere seconds?...

the A and Bee fight i got to hand this one to FTG it is more or less teleportation.But Madara kept up with the Fourth and if i recall Naruto hit the guy with a rasengan.

chances of beating this technique are very very astronomical but not an impossible technique to beat.
Well Sasuke couldn't even keep up with Bee's movements let alone A's and Minato is just as fast as A.

And yes some people might be able to know where all the kunai are but that might only help first if you had the speed to keep up with a normal Minato (which almost no one does), and if the battle were prolonged. Like the A & Bee vs. Minato battle, had Bee not made Minato dodge, A would have had a chakra enhanced kunai to the back of the head.

That is why it is so great, because opponents never get a chance to try and come up with a way to beat it. Combined with Minato's already ungodly speed that jutsu is just insane. But I don't get why people limit Minato to FTG, he had much more than that. He was a toad master (probably sage as well), had a lot of chakra, invented rasengan, death reaper seal, FTG, had at least one element which he was proficient with since he was planning on combining it with rasengan, and as a kage it is safe to say he knew basic jutsu like kage bunshin and stuff like that which everyone knows.
 

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This is a threat of Alexander Dumb Ass??:))

Do you think that the 4th hokage have only the Yellow Flash and Rasengan???

He is a hokage and of course he have much more techniqes and combination in his pocket
 
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Well Sasuke couldn't even keep up with Bee's movements let alone A's and Minato is just as fast as A.

And yes some people might be able to know where all the kunai are but that might only help first if you had the speed to keep up with a normal Minato (which almost no one does), and if the battle were prolonged. Like the A & Bee vs. Minato battle, had Bee not made Minato dodge, A would have had a chakra enhanced kunai to the back of the head.

That is why it is so great, because opponents never get a chance to try and come up with a way to beat it. Combined with Minato's already ungodly speed that jutsu is just insane. But I don't get why people limit Minato to FTG, he had much more than that. He was a toad master (probably sage as well), had a lot of chakra, invented rasengan, death reaper seal, FTG, had at least one element which he was proficient with since he was planning on combining it with rasengan, and as a kage it is safe to say he knew basic jutsu like kage bunshin and stuff like that which everyone knows.

It has never been mentioned that Minato had or was training for Sage mode.
 

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It has never been mentioned that Minato had or was training for Sage mode.
You can disagree all you want but it is clearly implied in the manga that he had done it. To whom else was Gamawhatever referring to when he said "Do you see those old familiar markings Pa? Naruto has surpassed those that have come before him" In regards to sage mode.

How many other people were toad summoners in the Naruto manga? How many people since Jiraiya knew about the toads? Since it was only his name, then Minato's, then Naruto's on the scroll then the toads must have been referring to him.

They didn't say it directly but it was certainly implied and the only doubt is had by people who don't want Minato to be more OP.
 

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You can disagree all you want but it is clearly implied in the manga that he had done it. To whom else was Gamawhatever referring to when he said "Do you see those old familiar markings Pa? Naruto has surpassed those that have come before him" In regards to sage mode.

How many other people were toad summoners in the Naruto manga? How many people since Jiraiya knew about the toads? Since it was only his name, then Minato's, then Naruto's on the scroll then the toads must have been referring to him.

They didn't say it directly but it was certainly implied and the only doubt is had by people who don't want Minato to be more OP.
It was not.
I agree he was referring to Minato and Jirayia when he said he has surpassed those that came before him. That doesn't mean that they both had sage mode. Minato was a great ninja in his own right, so the toad very likely was saying that he had surpassed what Minato was able to accomplish.
Just because he has his name on the contract, it can't be implied that he knew sage mode.
 

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It was not.
I agree he was referring to Minato and Jirayia when he said he has surpassed those that came before him. That doesn't mean that they both had sage mode. Minato was a great ninja in his own right, so the toad very likely was saying that he had surpassed what Minato was able to accomplish.
Just because he has his name on the contract, it can't be implied that he knew sage mode.
But it does imply it, they were talking specifically about Naruto mastering Sage mode because they were talking about the markings.

It isn't a solid fact likely because Kishi does not want to turn Minato into God mode, but it is implied there that he had it, just not as well as Naruto.
 
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