Fist Hokage must have really been something.

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read what kisame said...
one of the three means, kisame is talking about Jiraiya and not about Gai...
when first defeat Madara if that could have been a real fight, because it seems Madara fooled first and others about his defeat and death just to be in shadow...And to fight against 1st he had Kyuubi and first had all 8 bijjuus, whereas 4th had no one to his side, so name should be changed to 4th must have been really something...
 
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Yeah, Kisame was talking about how him and Itachi couldn't beat Jiraya. Then he goes onto saying that the Uchiha and The Mists Seven Sword Shinobi or w/e looked petty before him.
 
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Well, probably madara couldn't teleport and stuff back then or the 1st had some sort of techinique to stop it.. or he just imprisoned him in wood or sumthin =s
 

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Geez Vengeance 14,657 posts? :eek::eek::eek:
It's not so much really a guy on a forum had over 590.000 posts and 510 post per day

However this forum was huge and there were alot of spamthreads and you were allowed to double post or even 100th post(if there is such a thing) :) The forum had penny in it or something dont remember.

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It's not so much really a guy on a forum had over 590.000 posts and 510 post per day

However this forum was huge and there were alot of spamthreads and you were allowed to double post or even 100th post(if there is such a thing) :) The forum had penny in it or something dont remember.

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lol wow
 

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hmm... first of all the first fought against Madara plus Kyuubi, while Minato only fought the Kyuubi so shondaime was insanely strong...

secondly Shondaime fought Madara countless times... so maybe he figured out his abilities so that made it easier, Pain said Jiraya could have beaten him if he knew his ability...
 

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hmm... first of all the first fought against Madara plus Kyuubi, while Minato only fought the Kyuubi so shondaime was insanely strong...

secondly Shondaime fought Madara countless times... so maybe he figured out his abilities so that made it easier, Pain said Jiraya could have beaten him if he knew his ability...
Very true. Could be like Shikamarus case .. where he learned all of his techniques and then found a way to counter them.
 

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hmm... first of all the first fought against Madara plus Kyuubi, while Minato only fought the Kyuubi so shondaime was insanely strong...

secondly Shondaime fought Madara countless times... so maybe he figured out his abilities so that made it easier, Pain said Jiraya could have beaten him if he knew his ability...
Let's not forget though, that while Madara could control the Kyuubi, the first could also do so. The 4th lacked this ability. Also, we don't know if Minato fought the Kyuubi. We know he SEALED the Kyuubi into his son.
 

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Let's not forget though, that while Madara could control the Kyuubi, the first could also do so. The 4th lacked this ability. Also, we don't know if Minato fought the Kyuubi. We know he SEALED the Kyuubi into his son.
yeah you're right about that... but still shondaime defetead him... wait... shondaime actually didnt defeat him, so how could a great ninja like him be fooled? so either shondaime let him go or madara used his EMS somehow to not die but he weakend his sharingan int the process, so thats why he's going after the bijuu's... just a thought...
 

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yeah you're right about that... but still shondaime defetead him... wait... shondaime actually didnt defeat him, so how could a great ninja like him be fooled? so either shondaime let him go or madara used his EMS somehow to not die but he weakend his sharingan int the process, so thats why he's going after the bijuu's... just a thought...
As Madara said he fooled 1st, he faked his death....1st was great shinobi, but was not god, and after all he was against Madara, one who had EMS, so he can be fooled.......

1st was able to control 1-8 tails bijjus which aided him in fight against Kyuubi and Madara, it was his bloodline limit, but 4th defeated Kyuubi without any aid, So 4th was way better dan 1st...
 
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