[Spoilers] Finally Kishi has started giving us answers!!
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What hype, Madara is saying this out his own mouth, and he woudn't praise som1 he hate just for the heck of it.
They were fighing a Clone the whole time, and didn't know.
Also madara is basicaly letting his guard down because he know's he can't die.
He hasn't even used any genjutsus or amatserus as yet.
Harashima and Madara at their point in time were of a different scale of ninja which current generation pales in comparisotn too.
Get it right
they were not fighting a clone the whole time and don't compare this madara to ems madara or hashirama he is above both. Whether it's madara that says it or kabuto it's still hype the tech hashirama has shown (feat) is still low compare to the hype
I'm not saying they were fighing the clone from the beginnig of the fight.
And regardles of which madara it is, him saying that they all sucked fighitng together when compared to 1 ninja should hint something. :sy:
Back and those day's all they did were fight and war, it's natural they'd be stronger.
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madara san
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Is this sarcasm or have you also succumbed to Kishi's nonstop Hashi love fest?<3
She never fought any Akatsuki, which doesn't mean or lead to the inference that she can't. Whether she could or not is speculation though I would not say the list is long of those she could possibly defeat, by my speculation. Either way I'm not going to debate that she's best utilized as a support type medical ninja in a group, which I think you'd agree with at least, even if not the former regarding her and the Akatsuki.
During the Nagato invasion of Konoha, she healed as much of Konoha as possible simultaneously using Katsuyu as a conduit, thus taking a non-combatant support role. I thought it was pretty epic, and one of the greatest Hokages' sacrifices. What you want is for a ninja to maximize their utility, which Tsunade does even if it's not always in a combat role.
However, as she said in this chapter though, what makes her unique (albeit Kabuto can regenerate too. For example, see him eating Naruto's first Rasengan and living.) is her mitotic regeneration technique, which grants her the flexibility of being offensive and those taijutsu blows of hers are deadly if they land. Apparently they're stronger than the Raikage's raiton armor blows, albeit I'm not sure if that applies to his specific nin-taijutsu techniques like his Raiga Bomb, vs. a straight up punch comparison for example. I just don't know. p=mv, F=ma, but this is Naruto, so just throw physics out the window, lol.
I know you said Hashirama lacks the feats vs. the hype and to an extent that's fair and valid. We've literally seen nothing from the living Hashirama, and the ET Hashirama and Tobirama were far from impressive against an aged Hiruzen. However, we're working with very little here first hand, and the best information we have right now is second hand from ET Madara, who witnessed Hashirama firsthand, I believe if we go by John Locke's degrees of evidence. We simply have to weight the evidence by each degree we move away from first hand observation, to second hand, ... I would love to see to Valley of the End fight, and I think it's the most important missing flashback in all the Narutoverse at the moment. I'm also open to any suggestions on how to improve this problem of balancing Hashirama's hype vs. feats.
Alright got to go, some good points across posts.
Peace
He likely can since even Sasuke was shown being able to force that Zetsu to talk. It's just a matter of wearing down Kabuto to cast it on him. That jutsu he was talking about is going to have to be worth its hype because it looks like he's about to face both Uchiha brothers.
She never fought any Akatsuki, which doesn't mean or lead to the inference that she can't. Whether she could or not is speculation though I would not say the list is long of those she could possibly defeat, by my speculation. Either way I'm not going to debate that she's best utilized as a support type medical ninja in a group, which I think you'd agree with at least, even if not the former regarding her and the Akatsuki.
During the Nagato invasion of Konoha, she healed as much of Konoha as possible simultaneously using Katsuyu as a conduit, thus taking a non-combatant support role. I thought it was pretty epic, and one of the greatest Hokages' sacrifices. What you want is for a ninja to maximize their utility, which Tsunade does even if it's not always in a combat role.
However, as she said in this chapter though, what makes her unique (albeit Kabuto can regenerate too. For example, see him eating Naruto's first Rasengan and living.) is her mitotic regeneration technique, which grants her the flexibility of being offensive and those taijutsu blows of hers are deadly if they land. Apparently they're stronger than the Raikage's raiton armor blows, albeit I'm not sure if that applies to his specific nin-taijutsu techniques like his Raiga Bomb, vs. a straight up punch comparison for example. I just don't know. p=mv, F=ma, but this is Naruto, so just throw physics out the window, lol.
I know you said Hashirama lacks the feats vs. the hype and to an extent that's fair and valid. We've literally seen nothing from the living Hashirama, and the ET Hashirama and Tobirama were far from impressive against an aged Hiruzen. However, we're working with very little here first hand, and the best information we have right now is second hand from ET Madara, who witnessed Hashirama firsthand, I believe if we go by John Locke's degrees of evidence. We simply have to weight the evidence by each degree we move away from first hand observation, to second hand, ... I would love to see to Valley of the End fight, and I think it's the most important missing flashback in all the Narutoverse at the moment. I'm also open to any suggestions on how to improve this problem of balancing Hashirama's hype vs. feats.
Alright got to go, some good points across posts.
Peace
Tsunade is the woman that lifted up Gamabunta's sword with her bare hands and peirced Manda with it.
She's stronger than Raikage in what ever mode he's in.
TheGr8Uchiha
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Wait.... weren't you the person 3 weeks ago argueing that the 3rd was the strongest?
soggysombrero
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edo-madara is stronger than hashirama.
hashirama > madara(non-edo)
a shinobi/ninja is an occupation held by humans who are alive
so edo madara is a zombie
apples and oranges here.
hashirama > madara as living human beings
edo madara is a zombie not a human. u can't compare living people to zombies
apples and oranges
hashirama > madara(non-edo)
a shinobi/ninja is an occupation held by humans who are alive
so edo madara is a zombie
apples and oranges here.
hashirama > madara as living human beings
edo madara is a zombie not a human. u can't compare living people to zombies
apples and oranges
That doesn't work out well for Kabuto then, I'm sure Itachi AND Sasuke can do a lot worse than simply kill Kabuto. Itachi can keep Kabuto in a genjutsu torturing him for eternity basically. 3 seconds felt like 72 hours to Kakashi when he was under the effects.
Poor poor Kabuto, Itachi is going to rimjaw him so hard. :izuna:
Uchiha Madara.
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Easyfathom
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Really this is only now being confirmed... Hmmm, I feel like I have know this for sometime... I must be a GENIUS! :scorps:
soggysombrero
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yes its not comparable
thats like arguing that madara + hashirama > hashirama alone
its a redundant point.
madara san
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I don't think we should really be arguing the edo Madara vs Hashirama point much more. As soggysombrero has said, it's redundant.
Kishi has set his opinion on the matter pretty much in stone - Hashirama seems to have been the strongest living shinobi
That's not to say he was unbeatable obviously.
And do people think Kabuto has another jutsu capable of defending himself from genjutsu? He did talk of another one
Kishi has set his opinion on the matter pretty much in stone - Hashirama seems to have been the strongest living shinobi
That's not to say he was unbeatable obviously.
And do people think Kabuto has another jutsu capable of defending himself from genjutsu? He did talk of another one