Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions

[-Haku Yuki-]

Okay I don't have time to read 43 pages worth of post, so sorry if someone else has said this theory, but what if obito learned his phasing technique when he got crushed by the bolder, he thought he was dying, but turned out he phased through the rock. Cause if you think about it each time tobi used his technique it was always with regular sharingan. Meaning tobi could learn this technique without the need of a MS. After that he may have run into zetsu who has the ability to travel in the ground.

P.s I'm not sure why he wouldn't just return to the village once healthy enough, or maybe he did and saw rins grave, making him enraged activating his MS and his hate of Kakashi and War.

I dunno just a random thought while I lie in bed sick

we've never seen tobis sharingan when he does it so its also possible taht he uses the ms but kishi never showed us his sharingan cause it would i dunno reveal that he has obitos sharingan much sooner then we wanted to

 

[Disquiet]

Strange, i've seen in on a website at the end of 598 - Into Pieces !!!
If it's fan made, i say the ones who put it there are real jerks...it's very confusing...since that clearly is Obito removed from under the boulder

Yeah but there are lots of fanmade arts at the end of chapters. So he/she is only a fish in the sea of all those jerks. xd

no naruto had a gift not talent his gift to never give up helped him ahive those things but without the ninetails that hard work would have been useless at first just like with out the sharingan i doubt the uchihas would have been number 1. obito had nothing but sharingan and no ms no way he lived.

and one more thing who leaves tehir best friends body in the middle of a battle field kakashi surly went back for obitos body probably to late as tobi got his right eye

This doesn't really counter anything, and even if you look at it that he has a gift to never give up, you're basically saying that hard work got him to where he is now. The point you still seem to be missing it that it mostly depends on how hard they work. "Not giving up" and "working hard" are intertwined with each other. Naruto having the gift to not give up merely means he works hard for a longer period of time. And the nine-tails had nothing to do with Naruto's sudden progress in the fight with Pain, who cares if helped him out before.


Sigh..."No way he lived." Honestly, who do you people keep arguing that within a manga where many impossible things have already happened, it sounds absurd. Merely saying "No way he lived." is in no way proof.


A Zetsu clone would explain that.

 

[Gapi182]

madara could save obito back then. Maybe brainwashed him? But when i remember the second time the 9 tails attacked the leaf village tobi was quite grown up and mature. That's the only thing that makes me doubt it's obito. In no way could he surpass everyone in such a short time.

 

[aimop95]

It would be a waste of good emotional drama if Tobi didn't turn out to be Obito. All this building up and then bam. It's some random guy who no one really can connect too as a character. We as fans have almost no emotional connection to all the other tobi candidates, Obito being the one with the most emotional connection. In most plots that have a character twist in the end, the twist is usually a character the audience can connect emotionally with at the very least. We were given that chance with Obito. With everyone else, it would be "New villain with a name now. Join the club."

Now obviously there are a lot of plot holes, but that's why there is the classic villain speech, where he explains everything to the audience to clear up all the plot holes after showing his face.

In any case, their will have to be an explanation anyway.

 

[zzsdkzz]

So Obito constantly had "dust" in his eyes, thus having to wear goggles all the time. Almost as if Tobi has something covering his face to keep the "dust" out.

Yeah yeah, the mask is there for suspense, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Tobi just rubbing his eyes after getting his mask blown off.

 

[KillerbYo]

K im gonna wright down final arguments for a bizillionth time.


1. Tobi was born in konohagakure. He was the son of Uchiha Madara.
2. Since Madara was betrayed by his people and killed by Senjui, Tobi grew up to hate everyone and didnt care about anything else then going in his dads footsteps and gaining power.
3. We know Madara came up with Tsuki no Me, Tobi carried this plan out, and dedicated his life to completeing that, instead of having dreams of his own.

4. Tobi was called a shell of his former shell, the name "mirror" in japanease is Kagami, he is jsut a reflection of others. Not having his own dreams.

5. He became partner with Danzo in creating Anbu Root. He adapted their trademarks " Cloaks and masks" and a variety of ninja tools, we have seen Tobi using alot of different tools.

6. Anbu are supposed to recover dead ninjas corpses, after Obito died he recoverd his corpse but he also took his right eye which was intact after the collapse.

7. Since he was in Anbu he knew about Kushinas birthlocation maybe he was even set to guard, he used Kamui to get entrance and took revange on konohagakure which he had waited for a long time, he could have just taken the kyuubi but he used it to attack the village because he wanted to revange the death of Madara.

8. Tobi said he inspired Yahiko to form Akatsuki and gave the rinnegan to Nagato, there are 2 ways i can think of, one is that he was responsible for the war somehow, the second is that since Madara had rinnegan, perhaps he took theme and implanted them into Nagato.

9. He has wrinkles and looks to be the same age as Danzo.

10. He wanted Sasuke to kill his former teammates. to fully erase his identity.

11. Since he was in Anbu and with Danzo, he also collaborated with experiments with Orochimaru on Shodais cells, thats who Oro and Kabuto knew of his real identity and Itachi maybe knew since he met him in Anbu.


The name Tobi comes from Tobirama his mentor, and Madara is from his dad/rolemodel.


it would be cool if Madara gave his eyes to Tobi as a boy just like his brother had given the eyes to him, and told him to use them to carry out his plan.

This would truly make Tobi a "good boy".

 

[Gapi182]

kinda funny how if you keep repeating the name Obito it comes out Tobi.

 

[Higekage]

To be honest, I think one of the biggest argument against Tobi being Izuna is his chin. izuna's chin was very pointy and was always shown as pointy, however, looking at when Tobi shows himself to Kisame, you can see his chin on one panel and it's much wider than Izuna's.

 

[Disquiet]

It would be a waste of good emotional drama if Tobi didn't turn out to be Obito. All this building up and then bam. It's some random guy who no one really can connect too as a character. We as fans have almost no emotional connection to all the other tobi candidates, Obito being the one with the most emotional connection. In most plots that have a character twist in the end, the twist is usually a character the audience can connect emotionally with at the very least. We were given that chance with Obito. With everyone else, it would be "New villain with a name now. Join the club."

Now obviously there are a lot of plot holes, but that's why there is the classic villain speech, where he explains everything to the audience to clear up all the plot holes after showing his face.

In any case, their will have to be an explanation anyway.

These are some of the reasons I think it's Obito as well. There's way too much "building up", not only is Kakashi getting emotional, but so is Tobi, with all his recent statements about "Where heroes don't have to make pitiful excuses in front of graves", obviously referring to the "Hero of the sharingan", it seems as if he's taking this personally. Then there's his other statements earlier which greatly suggested that he knows Kakashi and Guy personally. It's way too much for a troll. It would be downright ridiculous for it to be anyone else, then what..."Oh, I was just spying on you guys." I don't know, possible but very stupid.


Also, did another character really just happen to get their body damaged? -__- And this damged body just happen to have Obito's eye? Come on, that's taking trolling a little too far. -.-



Anyways, the good news is there's only 3 more days, guess we'll know for sure then.

 

[shk1020]

Does anyone think tobi is the SAGE himself?


I tried to use the search bar for this next question, but had a hard time as it kept giving me other threads/posts, so i will just ask it (and hopefully get some good replies)...


what are the points for and against tobi being a madara and zetsu combination? what are the for and against points for it being izuna?

 

[Higekage]

what are the points for and against tobi being a madara and zetsu combination? what are the for and against points for it being izuna?

Against:

1. Because it would be extremely anti-climactic and just bad writing. We all want Tobi to be someone, not something..
2. His chin not matching Tobi's, that it would be far too obvious and that he died. That's all I can think of. Still I can't say Tobi's definitely not Izuna, but I think and hope he is not

For:

1. Well, right age.. Still hate these theories.
2. Could have motive, right age, about the right looks

Kagami is the best theory still. It has no holes, perfect age match, almost perfect looks match. We know little about him though, but tbh I don't think it matters. It's the best way for Kishi to surprise, having him be a featured character that is mysterious. Not a new character that we don't know, and not someone we could definitely guess because we had enough information. We know he was in Danzo's team, that he disappeared from Konoha without a trace - like Madara. That counts for something. We saw everyone from Hiruzen's era except Danzo and Kagami when Tobi/Kyuubi invaded Konoha - even their former teammate Torifu

 

[shk1020]

why kakagmi? ill give you the age, but i feel its completely random lol.

for that matter, we can say any one of these could be tobi:

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just because we have seen then once, doesnt make it a high possiblity. (well it could as anything is possible...but you know what im getting at.)

 

[Higekage]

why kakagmi? ill give you the age, but i feel its completely random lol.

for that matter, we can say any one of these could be tobi:

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just because we have seen then once, doesnt make it a high possiblity. (well it could as anything is possible...but you know what im getting at.)

He's not completely random like those at least. They were just in a picture. Kagami was shown during the first war with Hiruzen, the elders, and Danzo.

 

[Rigobert]

what about if tobi is zetsu. could explain the oozing and the reason tobi knows everything. Zetsu is the land so he could have witnessed everything and we dont know his timeline/age. tobi and zetsu have always seemed close and share some sort of link.

Just a little idea im throwing out there before 599 last throw of the dice before this thread closes or explodes when his true identity is revealed lol

 

[KidGamer65]

I don't think Obito could have escaped those boulders, since no one could have been there to rescue him, Madara died shortly after he awakened the Rinnegan, from here you can say that Madara or Tobi gave Nagato, Madara's Rinnegan, and since Nagato has had since he was a child he had to have died while Nagato was a child before Obito died, this is why i believe Tobi isn't Obito.

 

[kent0005]

Only way tobi is obito if he was two different people. Obito never existed or was a child around Nagato time which Madara shortly have died after awakening rinnegan. I am only considering other possibilities. Tobi could simply be a creation. We know nothIng about black zetsu who could be part of tObi. Would explain tobi knowledge as zetsu could be anywhere to collect all knowledge necessary. COuld be black zetsu passed on knowledge to tobi. Tobi. being half black zetsu gave him power to control nine tails and have Madara powers. So black zetsu reason why tobi is able to do these things cause he has access to Madara powers making obito as tobi possibility but obito was manipulated by black zetsu or stronger shinobi only way tobi is obito. Just considering other possibilities

 

[Higekage]

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See what I mean with their chins looking different?

 

[shk1020]

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See what I mean with their chins looking different?

is this the only proof about the chin? i dont find it plausible.

 

[Higekage]

is this the only proof about the chin? i dont find it plausible.

I just think it must be intended, because Kishi must know how to draw Izuna. If Kishi decides he will draw Tobi's chin and he's decided Tobi is Izuna, Tobi's chin would logically be pointy like he has always drawn Izuna's. It's not a slight difference, you can clearly see it's a totally different chin. Just throwing it out

 

[Chachee]

If he's Izuna I'll die (his lips... his ugly lips! >.>)

My final bet: future Sasuke xd