Final (We hope) Countdown. Tobi ID theories and discsussions

[kimbo]

Kishi loves to troll us. It's likely that he will keep hinting that Tobi is Obito, only to mindf$%^ us.

+ If Tobi was Obito, when Kakashi said "where did you get that eye?", Obito would have said something like "I've always had it" or "I was born with it.". Instead, Tobi names the specific place / battle he got it.

- However the white goo that is seen when Tobi loses limbs on the right side of his body does strengthen the idea that if Tobi was Obito, then the right side of his body that was crushed by the boulders has been repaired with something similar to the make-up of Zetsu.

In conclusion, at this point all we can do is theorise and guess who Tobi may be as Kishi is the type of person who likes to troll his audience. It's possible that he could be Obito, but just as likely that it may not be.

 

[LeafSpirit 20]

Ok to all you people that don't bealive it's obito... Why would someone want to steal the eyes of a little uchiha whose powers were barely rising... I mean being tons of stronger uchihas, why steal the eye of a 8 year old diying uchiha..? That doesn't make sense...

 

[FizzyDrink]

Ok to all you people that don't bealive it's obito... Why would someone want to steal the eyes of a little uchiha whose powers were barely rising... I mean being tons of stronger uchihas, why steal the eye of a 8 year old diying uchiha..? That doesn't make sense...

First of all, Obito was 13.

Second of all, if you haven't noticed, Tobi has dozens of Sharingan. He pretty much collects them. The better question is why WOULDN'T he take Obito's sharingan? He's obviously not being particular.

Nice try, but this wouldn't prove anything anyways. Tobi is 100% not Obito. Go find another theory, because this one is going nowhere.

 

[katandthehat]

Ok to all you people that don't bealive it's obito... Why would someone want to steal the eyes of a little uchiha whose powers were barely rising... I mean being tons of stronger uchihas, why steal the eye of a 8 year old diying uchiha..? That doesn't make sense...

LOL. You don't think that a man who has killed thousands of people, INCLUDING CHILDREN, in order to conroll the world would sink that low? Well newsflash, he can, he will, and he did. Did you not read the manga? IF he was Obito, he would have said "i was born with it," Not "i obtained it"

It's just like people, that even when they're proven wrong, they come up with comlete and utter bullshit to try and prove themselves right when they are wrong. OBITO IS DEAD! TOBI STOLE HIS SHARINGAN! TOBI IS NOT OBITO, END OF STORY!

 

[katandthehat]

Kishi loves to troll us. It's likely that he will keep hinting that Tobi is Obito, only to mindf$%^ us.

+ If Tobi was Obito, when Kakashi said "where did you get that eye?", Obito would have said something like "I've always had it" or "I was born with it.". Instead, Tobi names the specific place / battle he got it.

- However the white goo that is seen when Tobi loses limbs on the right side of his body does strengthen the idea that if Tobi was Obito, then the right side of his body that was crushed by the boulders has been repaired with something similar to the make-up of Zetsu.

In conclusion, at this point all we can do is theorise and guess who Tobi may be as Kishi is the type of person who likes to troll his audience. It's possible that he could be Obito, but just as likely that it may not be.

@Leaf: Proof that your theory is bull. And YES! Kishi obviously loves to troll us all. -3-

 

[kent0005]

I think uchiha shisui is good as obito being tobi.
Remember when uchiha shisui met itachi with his right eye missing. I am thinking he already had obito eye and made it look like he was missing an eye. When sasuke realized orchimaru was alive, he had flashback of shisui. Orchimaru has something to do with those flashbacks. I think uchiha shisui was influenced by orchimaru to give his eyes and help itachi awaken MS cause orchimaru was interested in itachi body. Also orchimaru probably was trying to get back shisui eye too. Also I think uchiha shisui was planning to erase his existence so no one would track him, as he became tobi.
He participated in the uchiha clan massacre cause he felt they were responsible for death of his comrades or relatives or danzo or orchimaru promised him something. His motivation to pursue moon eye plan is because his obsession for genjutsu and manipulating others. Also he thought that it would break the endless cycle of hatred and bring peace under his control. It would make more sense as he has potential to control mizukage and ninetails. He probably controlled ninetails with madara sharingan or got help from older uchiha clansmen

 

[Dutcheries]

Kishi loves to troll us. It's likely that he will keep hinting that Tobi is Obito, only to mindf$%^ us.

+ If Tobi was Obito, when Kakashi said "where did you get that eye?", Obito would have said something like "I've always had it" or "I was born with it.". Instead, Tobi names the specific place / battle he got it.

- However the white goo that is seen when Tobi loses limbs on the right side of his body does strengthen the idea that if Tobi was Obito, then the right side of his body that was crushed by the boulders has been repaired with something similar to the make-up of Zetsu.

In conclusion, at this point all we can do is theorise and guess who Tobi may be as Kishi is the type of person who likes to troll his audience. It's possible that he could be Obito, but just as likely that it may not be.

Agree, But I get a little tired of waiting I want to know it now. But that goes for all of us. Plus it will be the end of the discussion. Not that I really can call it a discussion because lots of people get angry with each other over who the hell Tobi is. But I have read some good comments here and there are people who are open-minded and are prepared to listen to new theories.

And I am new here so dont get to hard on me :ice:

(Tobi is Izuna)

 

[peeko]

From yesterday's manga, my prediction comes to reality, T O B I = O B I T O
We all know that every sharingan has its own jutsu rattached to it. Now Kakashi and Tobi share the same jutsu, this being Kamui. Also we always only saw tobi's right eye because when obito got crushed by the rock, he gave his other eye to kakashi. That's what I believe. Obito somehow survived, maybe someone saved him after kakashi left, that being madara or somebody else. But this could be a troll from kishi, the only other option is that somehow someone stole obito's eye from under the rock...

 

[LeafSpirit 20]

LOL. You don't think that a man who has killed thousands of people, INCLUDING CHILDREN, in order to conroll the world would sink that low? Well newsflash, he can, he will, and he did. Did you not read the manga? IF he was Obito, he would have said "i was born with it," Not "i obtained it"

Really, How stoned are you?
Or is it that you cannot read english, as you proved by not even getting obito's age right? It's just like people, that even when they're proven wrong, they come up with comlete and utter bullshit to try and prove themselves right when they are wrong. OBITO IS DEAD! TOBI STOLE HIS SHARINGAN! TOBI IS NOT OBITO, END OF STORY!

Lol, make way for the badass newbie.... I think you are the one that's stoned. Yes tobi has no morals, but why would he use the eye of a "13 year old uchiha(excuse me!!) with very limited powers as his own eye..? Being tons of fully potential uchihas out there.. That just doesnt make sense, open your eyes and mind.. Kishi knew that he was making to obious that obito is tobi, so now he is trolling you guys, and trying to confuse you.. Well not me, tobi is obito, we will see who will come out laughing in the end

 

[FizzyDrink]

Hey, people. Get real. TOBI ISN'T Obito. If you want proof, try and argue with me about it. I'll make you look stupid. If I were you, I would just accept the fact, and move on.

 

[Dutcheries]

Hey, people. Get real. TOBI ISN'T Obito. If you want proof, try and argue with me about it. I'll make you look stupid. If I were you, I would just accept the fact, and move on.

I want to ''discuss'' that tobi is not obito, because I think we are on the same page here. Its like The usual suspect, but only times 100 and not in a 2 our movie.

 

[XxTwin BladexX]

I'm not entirely sure who it could be, It could be another Uchiha or it could be someone we don't know about or we do know that has Obito's eye. So I still don't have a complete idea on the matter yet. :/

 

[LeafSpirit 20]

Yes, tobi could steal all the sharingan he wants, but why steal the one of a 13 year old with very limited powers as HIS VERY OWN EYE.... Dont you think he would want a more capable uchihas eye, as you can say, ones eyes are very important specially in naruto... FizzyDrink just as you are annoyed with us that are saying the truth, we or at least im as annoyed or more annoyed with the people that cant or dont want to see the truth.. In the end some of us will make seem as fools when the outcome is clear... All the more fun to find out who tobi is.. If he is indeed not obito then I would be made a fool as well, but im pretty confident.. Thats why im speaking up

 

[KCMNaruto]

Hello, I am new on this forum

This my theory: Tobi is ressurected Izuna with no eyes by Madara via Rinne Tensei.


Why Tobi should be Izuna?

Facts:

- Tobi has huge knowledge about Ninja World, all jutsu and much more
- Tobi can use Uchiha jutsu exclusive
-Strong chakra and power is required to control Nine tails. Only Madara could do that unless his younger brother could do it too. When Madara and Izuna unlocked MS they were equal.
- Tobi switches eyes all the time.

Explanation:
- Madara talking with Kage that Izuna died, is simple to explain. Izuna really died, and Madara took attempt to ressurect Izuna, but he didn't know if it worked. He didn't want to talk about soemthing which wasn't confirmed. Izuna ressurection wasn't confirmed but Izuna death was confirmed according to Madara.

Assumptions:

- Izuna knew about everything happened from Zetsu. Izuna knew about Mito Uzumaki so he studied about Uzumaki abilities and more.
- Madara had spy called Kagami Uchiha, who was Obito father. Izuna knew almost everything about Obito from his father or Obito himself as child.
- Zetsu spied Obito Uchiha so he knew when Obito unlocked sharingan. When Obito went with Kakashi to rescue Rin, Zetsu spied him
- Madara injected Senjuu Hashirama DNA in Izuna dead body, or maybe it was Tobirama Senjuu DNA after his death it would explain Tobi can't use Mokuton.
- Madara, who had small time for Senjuu DNA to merge with his Uchiha DNA so he had only Hashirama face on his chest, because he died too early. In Opposite to Madara ressurected Izuna lived much longer so His Senjuu DNA perfectly merged with his Uchiha DNA allowing him to use perfect Izanagi. While Madara probably couldn't use Izanagi, at least not perfect.
- Madara was hidden for long time while process of injecting Senjuu DNA in his body lasted. It explains why Izuna was hidden and didn't take action for long time while process accepting Senjuu DNA in his body was lasting.
- Danzo confirmed that Senjuu cells are hard to control, so it could take much of time to do it. Izuna and Madara probably have to fight to didn;t let Senjuu DNA take control over them body
-When Obito was crushed and after Kakashi took Obito sharingan and left with Rin. Zetsu took obito other sharingan and gave it Izuna
- Izuna collected many sharingans becuase his eyes with Madara changed in Rinnengan was in Nagato. Izuna tried and tested all sharingans until he got Obito sharingan. He was master of sharingan and once developed sharingan to MS. He fast transformed Obito sharingan to MS and probably even perfected it.
-Madara didn't give Rinnengan to Izuna, because he wanted to give him first Senjuu DNA, and process of merging Senjuu DNA with Uchiha DNA took much time, so he gave it to Nagato Uzumaki. maybe Uchiha and Uzumaki child. Zetsu got order to spy Nagato Uzumaki and inform about this fact to ressurected Izuna.
-Izuna fought with Fourth Hokage as equal and could control Kyuubi at the same time. Minato Namikaze even thought him as Madara so Izuna is best candidate as Madara little brother. When Fourth Hokahe hit Izuna in arm, there was Senjuu DNA same as Zetsu goo, which didn't merge perfectly with Uchiha DNA yet.
- Izuna had reason to take revenge for Madara death. He had grudge against Uchiha clan, as they abandoned Madara. Izuna had grudge against Konoha for Madara death. Izuna watched all crimes and evil happening in this world so he decided to do something with that. Zetsu told him about Moon eye plan, which Madara planned to do. Izuna wanted Moon eye plan to work so he continued Madara plan.
-Izuna as Tobi inspired Yahiko to create Akatsuki organization, so He did it. After Yahiko death, Izuna as Tobi appeared before Nagato who began to recruit Akatsuki members.
- Izuna was hidden again until Senjuu DNA merged completly with Uchiha DNA. When process was completed Akatsuki had one place free after Sasori Death, so Zetsu introduced Tobi<Izuna> in organization.
- Izuna took great interest in Sasuke Uchiha, as he was Uchiha memeber as well as younger brother ,who was in shadow of Itachi, his older brother. Izuna felt bad for Sasuke to be in shadow of older brother. Sasuke reminded Izuna himself when he was younger.
-Izuna even fooled Itachi because he has chakra similliar to him. He has all knowledge as Madara from Zetsu.
- Izuna as Tobi traveled with Deidara to hunt three tailed beast, sanbi. While Tobi was catched by three tailed beast, He was in ghost mode so he survived Deidara bomb.
-Tobi as Izuna survived all Deidara attacks, and he could survive even more. He behave silly to fool everyone to hide his really personality. He was great actor no doubt.
- After Diedara death He finally revealed himself as true leader before readers but took name of Uchiha Madara. However Nagato was still leader for Akatsuki memebers. Only Nagato, Konan, Itachi and Kisame<probably> knew about him being real leader.
- After Nagato death, He was busy prepearing for War while Meeting of 5 Kages was happening. After declaring fourth great war Tobi as Izuna was busy created Zetsu army from bijuu chakra.
- He wanted Sasuke to get stronger so send him on 5 kage meeting. He understands his feelings.
- He wanted Danzo to be dead becuase Danzo killed Kagami Uchiha, his teammate who was spy for Izuna, I mean Tobi.
-Thanks to Hashirama living clone Tobi as Izuna, who is perfectly compatible with Senjuu DNA so can regenerate his body or make his body look younger somehow.
-He retrived Rinnengan both eyes, which was orginally his<Izuna> eyes ,from Nagato corpse. In Tobi vs Konan fight he used Izanagi which let him avoid death. It supports my theory that he mastered Izanagi.
-He saw Hashirama Senjuu in Naruto because as Izuna he met Hashirama for sure in battle.
- In short time He was able to use Rinnegan, probably Rinnengan paths as well because it was his eyes orginally.
- Izuna knew Madara personally so he could fool everyone behaving as him.
- Izuna planned to get Rinnengan, master using these eyes and then ressurect his brother but Kabuto appeared before and broke his plan by ressurecting Uchiha Madara, his older brother with Edo Tensei.
-Izuna wasn't afraid that Madara wanted to kill him or something. First reason he didn't want to fight him, second reason was he was afraid Kabuto will control Madara and force him to fight Tobi as Izuna.
- While telling Sasuke about everything he gripped his clothes when he mentioned about Izuna<himself> giving willingly brother eyes and die after.
He wasn't mad for Madara but he was sentimantal about his death and past.
- When He met Naruto and Killer bee, he told that he is nobody and don't want to anybody. He was forgotten by Ninja World, so he was nobody. He only care about Moon eye plan to be realised, because his brother Madara sacrificed many things to do it, besides Izuna himself watched corrupted Ninja World, so he decided it was only way to create peace.
-Izuna as Tobi know everything about Obito, which I explained in Kagami <obito father> as spy. He know about Kakashi regrets and personal actions thanks to Zetsu who spied Kakashi all time, maybe for Izuna to get other Obito eye as well.
- Izuna was ressurected with no eyes via Rinne Tensei, so that why he collected these sharingans.
- I think Tobi was using Obito Sharingan almost all time. Tobi as Izuna has minimal drain using sharingan. Kakashi can use kamui only when he has Mangenkyou sharingan activated, so Tobi probably use Space time Ninjutsu only when he has Mangenkyou sharingan. Izuna mastered MS so he can use efficently as Obito would never use probably. He has Senjuu DNA in himself and even perfectly merged so he can use Space time Ninjutsu as much as he can, because Senjuu cells are healling Mangenkyou sharingan bad side effects.
- Tobi as Izuna's chakra amount is easy to epxlain. He has probably great amount of chakra but below Naruto own , Kisame and Nagato, but Senjuu cells accelerate procces of chakra restoring, so He looks like has infinite chakra. Besides mastery of sharingan and great mastery over Senjuu and Uchiha techniques, DNA let him for minimal chakra using.
- When Kisame met Tobi after he discovered Tobi was really Fourth Mizukage, who controlled Yagura. Kisame told him to come out from shadow and showed his face to Kisame. Izuna is similliar in look to Madara, so Kisame could be fooled or it was real Madara, who was living yet.

I provided that I can fill any gap, plot hole or whatever with theory Izuna is Tobi.

Summary: I know that this is great wall of text and in random order, but I hope someone read it. I hate Obito being Tobi idea, there is so much plot holes, inaccuracies that it isn't even funny. Please Kishi make him Izuna, I hope I covered all plot holes, facts with Tobi being Izuna.




If you have any questions or doubts, just please wirite about them and I try to explain them.

Tob being Izuna would be epic. Sorry for my bad english or any grammar mistakes. I will try later to improve my post, but for now I left it in this form.

Now come at me Tobito fans, because I made Izuna more better candidate than Obito ever was or will be.

 

[-Haku Yuki-]

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[Higekage]

Yes, tobi could steal all the sharingan he wants, but why steal the one of a 13 year old with very limited powers as HIS VERY OWN EYE.... Dont you think he would want a more capable uchihas eye, as you can say, ones eyes are very important specially in naruto... FizzyDrink just as you are annoyed with us that are saying the truth, we or at least im as annoyed or more annoyed with the people that cant or dont want to see the truth.. In the end some of us will make seem as fools when the outcome is clear... All the more fun to find out who tobi is.. If he is indeed not obito then I would be made a fool as well, but im pretty confident.. Thats why im speaking up

We know Tobi knows alot. Sharingan is genetic and let's assume Tobi is an Uchiha which is highly likely. Being an Uchiha, he knows other Uchiha. He may have known who Obito was and that say his father had a very powerful spacetime sharingan. Just one explanation to why Tobi might have been very keen on having Obito's sharingan.

Don't be too confident in any theory is my suggestion, unless you can piece the whole puzzle together which no one here has done yet.

Imo the best candidate is definitely Kagami, still. Izuna is also in the top even if I personally don't buy it.

 

[katandthehat]

Yes, tobi could steal all the sharingan he wants, but why steal the one of a 13 year old with very limited powers as HIS VERY OWN EYE.... Dont you think he would want a more capable uchihas eye, as you can say, ones eyes are very important specially in naruto... FizzyDrink just as you are annoyed with us that are saying the truth, we or at least im as annoyed or more annoyed with the people that cant or dont want to see the truth.. In the end some of us will make seem as fools when the outcome is clear... All the more fun to find out who tobi is.. If he is indeed not obito then I would be made a fool as well, but im pretty confident.. Thats why im speaking up

-_- Do you think he would rather go up against a fully-trained Uchiha, when the Uchihas are one of the most powerfull clans ever, or just take a Sharingan, because:
1-He doesn't risk getting killed.
2-Its free
3-It will help him take over the world.
So when this ends, I'll be the one laughing. Like i said, I think he has a better chance being Ichiraku.

 

[katandthehat]

Hey, people. Get real. TOBI ISN'T Obito. If you want proof, try and argue with me about it. I'll make you look stupid. If I were you, I would just accept the fact, and move on.

Bro, all tobi/obito thiorists look stupid

 

[FizzyDrink]

Yes, tobi could steal all the sharingan he wants, but why steal the one of a 13 year old with very limited powers as HIS VERY OWN EYE.... Dont you think he would want a more capable uchihas eye, as you can say, ones eyes are very important specially in naruto... FizzyDrink just as you are annoyed with us that are saying the truth, we or at least im as annoyed or more annoyed with the people that cant or dont want to see the truth.. In the end some of us will make seem as fools when the outcome is clear... All the more fun to find out who tobi is.. If he is indeed not obito then I would be made a fool as well, but im pretty confident.. Thats why im speaking up

Ok. Well, here's why your confidence is based on nothing. I'm going to use manga facts and the databook to prove that Obito is not Tobi.

Lets start with Madara He said he died shortly after unlocking his Rinnegan. Then, let's say (for the sake of your argument), that Tobi immediately placed those eyes into Nagato (we know Nagato's eyes must be Madara's, Tobi wouldn't have access to any other Rinnegan after all). Now, we know this happened either DURING or RIGHT BEFORE the SECOND ninja world war. At this point, your argument already seems a bit shaky...considering that Obito was 13 during the THIRD ninja war, I highly doubt that an even YOUNGER Obito would have been capable of eye surgery.

But there's more. According to the databook, when Kakashi was born, Jiraya was 24 years old. Why does this matter? Well, Obito was born at around the same time as Kakashi. So we can then assume that when Obito was born, Jiraya was 24 years old. Now, we have to think of the timeline again. We know that when Jiraya met Nagato, Nagato was 9 or 10 years old, and the 2nd ninja world war was going on. Similarly, when Obito was 13 and in the midst of the 3rd ninja world war, Jiraya was 37. So lets say that for some reason, the third war happened RIGHT after the second, with no time in between, and Jiraya happened to meet an train Nagato during that time. Nagato would have been 9, so when he was born, Jiraya would have been 28. Thus, at that time, Obito would have been FOUR YEARS OLD.

NO FOUR YEAR OLD COULD POSSIBLY CONDUCT EYE SURGERY IN A DIFFERENT COUNTRY DURING WAR TIME, OR COME UP WITH A PLAN TO TAKE OVER THE WORLD WITH UCHIHA MADARA!!!

Not only that, Obito would be 4 AT THE OLDEST. Chances are, the time between the second and third ninja world war was not 0 years. Also chances are that Obito died not at the very beginning of the 3rd war, but near the middle or end. ALSO, chances are that Jiraya met Nagato not at the very end of the 2nd war, but near the beginning or in the middle. And if even after reading this you are still claiming that Tobi is Obito, then I'm sorry but you are pitifully stupid.

Is that enough proof for you?

 

[Dutcheries]

I'm not entirely sure who it could be, It could be another Uchiha or it could be someone we don't know about or we do know that has Obito's eye. So I still don't have a complete idea on the matter yet. :/

Maybe that is the right approach because Kishi is giving us so many ways to guess who Tobi is, I totally understand that people think that tobi Obito or Izunais because that is what he does. That is what keeps people reading and many more other things. After all we are here for the same reasons and one of those is that we all love naruto so way be heating or get angry at each other?!