[Game] Final Fantasy XV: Return of the True King! #38

Who is the MVP?

  • Aether9

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Alice in Noodleland

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Grammaton

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Kekw

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Mango Sempai

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • NatsuDragneel123

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Poison

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Rej

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Soulkiller

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Thestatusquo

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Toujo

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  • XTMF

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1. Michelle - Probably Town
2. Poison - [Ravus Nox Flueret]
3. Toujo - Town*
4. Rej - [Arden Izunia]
5. SoulKiller - [Noctis Lucis Caelum]
6. Ultraviolet - Probably Town, but scrutinise if I'm janitored
7. T-Pein - Lean scum
8. Grammaton - Lean Town
9. Thestatusquo - Lean Scum, but mostly just apathetic
10. NatsuDragneel123 - AWOL, lean scum
11. KekW - Probably Town
12. Aether9 - Lean Scum
13. Alice in Noodleland - AWOL, lean Scum
14. Sagebee - Lean Town, sadly
15. XTMF - Probably Town

T-Pein
TSQ
Natsu
Aether
Alice

All things being well, and my flip revealing my alignment, I feel good about two scum in here. My choice would be Aether/Alice, then Natsu, then T-Pein, then TSQ.
 

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Ratchet why do you keep bringing up being janitored?

Not only are you probably getting lynched today but you're unlikely to ever be a NK

I don't get why you just don't full claim now

I really should stop entertaining you because you're just scum but it is curious. Wonder if you have a self jannying role
 

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Okay I'm caught up in the rearing the only thing i can pull from poison posts is that she defended toujo

Also I find it strange that toujo says the day before that she would block soulkiller but conveniently now say she blocked poison after her role is revealed looks opportunistic
 

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Ratchet why do you keep bringing up being janitored?

Not only are you probably getting lynched today but you're unlikely to ever be a NK

I don't get why you just don't full claim now

I really should stop entertaining you because you're just scum but it is curious. Wonder if you have a self jannying role
I'm referring to my lynch being janitored. And I bring it up because, with my claim (below) you'll see that, should my alignment not be revealed with my lynch, you in particular if scum can simply argue I was scum, though admittedly with Michelle claiming to have blocked you my initial reason for pointing out to you is lessened somewhat.

Aside from roleblocker, I have a passive where, if I'm killed, my killer is role crushed for one cycle.
I have another passive which makes me immune to investigative abilities. More on this in a minute (including how this informed my mindset for yesterday).
I have my roleblock.
And I have a one-shot ability that reflects all abilities that target me back to the user. I only have a 50% of surviving a kill (regular kill, specifically) via the use of this ability, though.

So, how my investigation immunity informed my play yesterday. Well, firstly, I knew not to bother claiming it. Unlike a Miller, I don't return false results, so there isn't the risk of a Cop claiming to have a guilty on me. Additionally, it's also impossible to confirm, unlike a miller, which will show up on things like role cops and trackers/watchers will work on them. I knew should I claim it, it would be dismissed as me trying to deter investigations, and I'd probably be lynched straight up.

I also knew that I needed to be extremely aggressive in my play. Because if I played the slow game like normal, there was a good chance someone would check me, and then get suspicious that I can't be confirmed via investigations. However, if I was aggressive, and caught scum Day 1, there would be no reason to investigate me, mitigating my passive entirely. I would then also be extremely likely to be killed, so I could pop my one shot, and be mostly happy with my positon for the rest of the game.

This is another reason why I wanted T-Pein to claim. Because while I'm not in a counter claim with him, that does make two town roles hard to confirm, which felt high to me.

Now, here I'm going to metagame a bit. I should have, objectively, gone for Poison, who I was pretty confident was scum from her first post to me in this thread, which I felt was extremely awkward. But hosting meta is at play. Because this marks the third time I've received a role from Oreki wherein I am immune to investigations. In the AB Member Mafia game here, you'll see I was a town role that had this passive, and in another game elsewhere, I had the same passive, though I *think* I was scum in that one (could be wrong though, I forget how many Oreki games I've played). As soon as I saw this passive, I was convinced that Oreki had manually assigned roles to an extent, because the chances of me just happening to receive this role for the third time was astronomically low. So, this is why I went for SoulKiller. After his really poor entrance, my thought process was that Oreki had assigned him an extremely strong role. Either a town leader type role, or scum, and my assumption was probably a scum one. Now, I was actually correct in my theory that Oreki had given Soul a super role, but obviously on the wrong side of my overall conclusion. So that's why I doubled down hard on Soul.

So it goes. I feel like I had the right approach to my role, unfortunately it doesn't always work out. But, that's everything on the table.
 

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I'm referring to my lynch being janitored. And I bring it up because, with my claim (below) you'll see that, should my alignment not be revealed with my lynch, you in particular if scum can simply argue I was scum, though admittedly with Michelle claiming to have blocked you my initial reason for pointing out to you is lessened somewhat.
Specifically, if Ultra is a scum investigator, a flipless lynch on me would allow him to push whatever narrative he wanted. And if scum, he would know that his ability failed and he'd have reason to be wary of my role, hence his strong push today. With Michelle claiming that block, then I'm more inclined to think he's just an investigator or whatever.
 

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Im in a quandary. I can confirm myself now, but obviously there will be a price to pay ...

The hidden vote mechanic is a problem because we have to assume the worst that scum has 3 living members, and therefore someone who is universally town read is probably getting lynched today, which tbh is lame af
 

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Im in a quandary. I can confirm myself now, but obviously there will be a price to pay ...

The hidden vote mechanic is a problem because we have to assume the worst that scum has 3 living members, and therefore someone who is universally town read is probably getting lynched today, which tbh is lame af
A 3 vote block can easily be overcome as long as the townies are psychically aligned and happen to all look in the same direction
 

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I'm referring to my lynch being janitored. And I bring it up because, with my claim (below) you'll see that, should my alignment not be revealed with my lynch, you in particular if scum can simply argue I was scum, though admittedly with Michelle claiming to have blocked you my initial reason for pointing out to you is lessened somewhat.

Aside from roleblocker, I have a passive where, if I'm killed, my killer is role crushed for one cycle.
I have another passive which makes me immune to investigative abilities. More on this in a minute (including how this informed my mindset for yesterday).
I have my roleblock.
And I have a one-shot ability that reflects all abilities that target me back to the user. I only have a 50% of surviving a kill (regular kill, specifically) via the use of this ability, though.

So, how my investigation immunity informed my play yesterday. Well, firstly, I knew not to bother claiming it. Unlike a Miller, I don't return false results, so there isn't the risk of a Cop claiming to have a guilty on me. Additionally, it's also impossible to confirm, unlike a miller, which will show up on things like role cops and trackers/watchers will work on them. I knew should I claim it, it would be dismissed as me trying to deter investigations, and I'd probably be lynched straight up.

I also knew that I needed to be extremely aggressive in my play. Because if I played the slow game like normal, there was a good chance someone would check me, and then get suspicious that I can't be confirmed via investigations. However, if I was aggressive, and caught scum Day 1, there would be no reason to investigate me, mitigating my passive entirely. I would then also be extremely likely to be killed, so I could pop my one shot, and be mostly happy with my positon for the rest of the game.

This is another reason why I wanted T-Pein to claim. Because while I'm not in a counter claim with him, that does make two town roles hard to confirm, which felt high to me.

Now, here I'm going to metagame a bit. I should have, objectively, gone for Poison, who I was pretty confident was scum from her first post to me in this thread, which I felt was extremely awkward. But hosting meta is at play. Because this marks the third time I've received a role from Oreki wherein I am immune to investigations. In the AB Member Mafia game here, you'll see I was a town role that had this passive, and in another game elsewhere, I had the same passive, though I *think* I was scum in that one (could be wrong though, I forget how many Oreki games I've played). As soon as I saw this passive, I was convinced that Oreki had manually assigned roles to an extent, because the chances of me just happening to receive this role for the third time was astronomically low. So, this is why I went for SoulKiller. After his really poor entrance, my thought process was that Oreki had assigned him an extremely strong role. Either a town leader type role, or scum, and my assumption was probably a scum one. Now, I was actually correct in my theory that Oreki had given Soul a super role, but obviously on the wrong side of my overall conclusion. So that's why I doubled down hard on Soul.

So it goes. I feel like I had the right approach to my role, unfortunately it doesn't always work out. But, that's everything on the table.
I have some thoughts on this but I'm gonna mull it over a bit and let others speak
 

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Between toujo and aether toujo has more red flags

Her opportunistic flip flopping posts.

Her initial lack cooperation of explaining until heat was put on her.

Her suss claim of roleblocking soul but saying she would go with poison.

Just more reasons to find her suss.

Think she should be our focus and not let her slide like last phase.
 
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