[FEAR] Why the Uchiha Rebelled

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Someone asked this question recently and in typical FEAR fashion my reply got a bit long, So I decided to turn it into a thread instead. Enjoy!


First Off​


Few thing you need to understand is that Tobirama was the one who created the Uchiha Police and most other important groups within Konoha, like the Academy and the Council. But when he did this he had something specific in mind:

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And that specific ideology was Democracy. Now within our Democracy, by our I mean America, we have 3 branches of Government which act to check and balance each other. The 3 branches are as follows:

Executive Branch (President) - Who acts as the figurehead of the country and deals with foreign affairs as well as having political power. This relates to the Hokage

Legislative Branch (Congress/Senate) - They create, Amend and destroy laws as they see fit, this is the most powerful part of goverment hence why each house is composed of over 100 people, with motions requiring 2/3's vote. The idea behind this is that you can corrupt 1 guy, you can buy off 2 guys, but you cant buy off 100. This relates to the Konoha elders council (Or Upper Echelon) [ ].

Judicial Branch (Judges/Police) - These are the people who carry out the law and enforce the law, and this relates to the Uchiha Police.

Now as you may know the Judicial branch only has the power to do 1 thing and that is Enforce the law. But they have no power in making the law, changing the law, or causing any significant change in how Konoha is run. They are basically glorified Hall Monitors. The Uchiha clan realized this:

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But even more importantly is the fact that they were seperate from the village, their Clan was located more towards the prison head quarters which itself was near the prison, and thus they were excluded from the village.

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Just to Re-itterate​

  1. They had no political power what so ever
  2. They were secluded from the village
  3. Being the police the villagers began to resent them
  4. Not to mention that they began to think too highly of themselves
  5. They were pretty much at the beck and call of the Village higher ups as they enforce the laws and the village higher ups make the laws.
  6. They still were not trusted by the Village higher ups who kept a eye on them.
All this added with the inability to do anything about it other than address the Konoha Elder Council, who are inaffect their bosses, and say "Cant you stop not trusting us?"


Conclusion​

I dont blame them, I would have rebelled too under those conditions. Its a classic case of Great Plan; Poor Execution. There's just one thing they didnt calculate:

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His power level was over 9000!!!!

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Wow. Good thread.
So, this is all Tobirama's fault?
Im sure he had good intentions, but you know the saying "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." I wouldnt say he didnt know what he was doing when he specifically made them the Police, but I dont think he knew it would result in them being destroyed. I think he just wanted to put them in a place where their skills would be put to good use but at the same time not allow them to run amuck.
 
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Explained pretty well but wasn't it explained thoroughly enough in the manga? Maybe they needed clarity
Merely answering a question that was asked x__x

Wow. Good thread.
So, this is all Tobirama's fault?
Im sure he had good intentions, but you know the saying "The road to hell is paved with good intentions." I wouldnt say he didnt know what he was doing when he specifically made them the Police, but I dont think he knew it would result in them being destroyed.
 

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Nah, what Tobirama did was justified. The Hyuuga had their own section, they didnt ***** or complain >_>
THe Hyuga chose their own section as did all the other head clans, but the Uchiha were different as they were designated to an area, which was the prison, which was where the Uchiha Head Quarters was (So that they can better watch over those in prison.)

But understand that it wasnt just the fact that they were designated their that cause problems, but the other 5-6 things I listed as well, all of which directly stemmed from them being made the police force.
 

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There weren't many other branches of government that they could be involved in. They had Anbu which is a more lethal form of police man. Regular ninja that teach. The ninja being taught aren't always going to be naturally talented to be taught by an Uchiha. Sasuke's dad was not very patient with him could you imagine him with a Lee or Naruto. They can't be sent on many missions because other ninja would set traps for their eyes. They needed to stay in the village just like most main branch of the Hyuga. Like real life people segregate to their own culture. If they would have valued the village like Itachi they would have wanted to live by other clans or other people. They never gave up Uchiha power mentality. Even Obito had that complex when he was good. Sasuke had it and is why he could give up on anyone else on the drop of a hat.
 

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As usual, a thread made by you is a good read. I lol at Itachi's power level. Was it really necessary? Anyways, even though this was stated many times in the series you still presented it well. There was really nothing to argue about this. Nj as always Fear:cool:
 

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T They had Anbu which is a more lethal form of police man. Regular ninja that teach. The ninja being taught aren't always going to be naturally talented to be taught by an Uchiha. They can't be sent on many missions because other ninja would set traps for their eyes. Like real life people segregate to their own culture. They never gave up Uchiha power mentality. Even Obito had that complex when he was good. Sasuke had it and is why he could give up on anyone else on the drop of a hat.
here weren't many other branches of government that they could be involved in.
I would have to disagree with this, you say that their werent many other branches that they could have been involved in. I say they didnt have to be in any branch, like the other clans, Hyuga, Nara, Sarutobi, etc... They could have just been regular people.

Sasuke's dad was not very patient with him could you imagine him with a Lee or Naruto.
Although I agree that they could have been patient and eventually the village would have grown to like them. But imagine you telling Sasuke's dad "Hey were flat out never going to trust you, but, BUT, if you act honorbably and do a good job, we may, MAY, kinda like your descendants. And over time we may stop not trusting you..." I mean on the one hand your right perhaps a coup de tat was a bit radical, but on the other hand perhaps leaving your hope and dreams in the hands of a clan that you used to fight with to the death isnt a great idea.

They needed to stay in the village just like most main branch of the Hyuga.
Neji and Hinato were both sent on missions, Hinato is part of the main branch.

If they would have valued the village like Itachi they would have wanted to live by other clans or other people.
Itachi was probably right, but again lets look what Itachi being and doing right resulted in.

1) Killing his own clan
2) Watching his brother grow up to hate him
3) Lived the rest of his life as a martyr

Now for the other Uchiha to go along with this mentaility then they would have had to suffer the same way Itachi did, and even then what do they get? A dead Clan? The village did not trust the Uchiha, and things were only getting worst between the Uchiha and the Village. And your solution is be patience and hopefully the village will trust you? And then when they do another rebel comes around and does something crazy and then your back to Step 1? No, peace has never been obtained by hoping then oppressor grows a conscience.

I think the Uchiha were right to rebel, as long as they exhausted all other reasonable alternatives, which I believe they did. It was as Madara predicted, the destruction of his clan was inevitable.


As usual, a thread made by you is a good read. I lol at Itachi's power level. Was it really necessary? Anyways, even though this was stated many times in the series you still presented it well. There was really nothing to argue about this. Nj as always Fear:cool:
Glad you liked it :), threw in the power level thing to spice things up. I realize this may be somewhat common knowledge, even if some people didnt know the exact specifics, there is nothing ground breaking presented. But someone asked a question about it in a different thread and my reply was thread worthy x__x
 

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Itachi was probably right, but again lets look what Itachi being and doing right resulted in.

1) Killing his own clan
2) Watching his brother grow up to hate him
3) Lived the rest of his life as a martyr

Now for the other Uchiha to go along with this mentaility then they would have had to suffer the same way Itachi did, and even then what do they get? A dead Clan? The village did not trust the Uchiha, and things were only getting worst between the Uchiha and the Village. And your solution is be patience and hopefully the village will trust you? And then when they do another rebel comes around and does something crazy and then your back to Step 1? No, peace has never been obtained by hoping then oppressor grows a conscience.

I think the Uchiha were right to rebel, as long as they exhausted all other reasonable alternatives, which I believe they did. It was as Madara predicted, the destruction of his clan was inevitable.
They wouldn't have had to suffer anything but to value the pride of the village above their own. There was no persecution of the Uchiha. Cops act like jerks sometimes because who is gonna tell them otherwise. The second gave them the responsibility to be the police not the obligation. Someone has been running the prison just fine the recently. How many people thank the cop arresting them? How many people get happy when they see a cop in their rear view mirror. THey needed public relations not a coup. I'm sure all Uchiha weren't cops some just met like the Hyuga elders and made decisions. Fugaku was the head of the family and gave in to their curse. The ninetail's eyes during the attack had a Sharingan which makes the clan look guilty. Since they had no one to produce as the perp what should the village think. Where were they during the attack? Did they sense something wrong? Why didn't they help or atleast warn the village?
 

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They wouldn't have had to suffer anything but to value the pride of the village above their own. There was no persecution of the Uchiha. Cops act like jerks sometimes because who is gonna tell them otherwise. The second gave them the responsibility to be the police not the obligation. Someone has been running the prison just fine the recently. How many people thank the cop arresting them? How many people get happy when they see a cop in their rear view mirror. THey needed public relations not a coup. I'm sure all Uchiha weren't cops some just met like the Hyuga elders and made decisions. Fugaku was the head of the family and gave in to their curse. The ninetail's eyes during the attack had a Sharingan which makes the clan look guilty. Since they had no one to produce as the perp what should the village think. Where were they during the attack? Did they sense something wrong? Why didn't they help or atleast warn the village?
Your right the Uchiha had no reason to rebel, I dont know what made them throw their lives away attempting it in the first place.
 
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