[Theory] [FEAR] Rikudo the True Fence Sitter; Playing both Sides

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Pending Proof-read, will be done sometime this after noon

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This is going to be sort of short and a little sporadic but I think you'll get the jist once you read it:


Sitting on the Fence​

"Sitting on the fence" is a common idiom used in English to describe one's neutrality or hesitance to choose between two sides in an argument or a competition, or inability to decide due to lack of courage.[1] This is done either in order to remain on good terms with both sides, or due to apathy to the situation and not wanting to choose a position with which one doesn't actually agree.


First off lets look at this scan:

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Most importantly look at "My Hokage needs to be able to cut all relationships to be complete", at first glance you assume Sasuke is the one saying this. Sasuke was just talking and the context of his previous statements have been about him becoming a new kind of Hokage. So its easy to assume this is Sasuke merely continuing his diatribe.

But what is important here is 2 things:

1) Shift in perspective.
2) Shift in flow

First off the camera angle shifts, before we are given a close up of Sasuke as he speaks, but when these words are said the camera angle shifts to the Rikudo. Which would imply that he is now talking.

Secondly right after this we see the Rikudo address Naruto, but did he just ignore Sasuke?

Lets delve into this a tad bit further shall we?

Naruto states "Im sure we'd be able to be friends again" the Rikudo replies by asking "Why" and Naruto says "[Because] Were pretty good pals"

Lets look at his conversation with Sasuke with this same context of them having a back and forth conversation.

Sasuke states "I will have to kill Naruto no matter what" the Rikudo replies by stating "My Hokage needs to be able to cut all relations to be complete" and Sasuke says "[Well] That guy is the closest thing to a best friend ive ever had"

How interesting? But this wouldnt be the first time we have seen Rikudo do this.



Standing on the Fence​

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Here it is obvious that Rikudo is playing both sides right now, but I would suggest that he is doing a little more than merely suggesting. I think he may even be directing!

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Here he gets Naruto to confront the fact that Sasuke and him are mortal enemies.

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Here he feints a sort of ignorance in order to provoke Naruto into defending his views.

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Here we have him asking a question, but based on how Naruto was lead throughout the questioning his answer should only be all too clear at this point. So the Rikudo has re-instilled Naruto will to do what needs to be done to defend his views.

And lastly:

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After Naruto gives his answer the Rikudo gives a sort of glare.

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Lastly we see the Rikudo asking both Naruto and Sasuke whether or not that is their answer. Seeing that Naruto was lead to his answer one can only assume that Sasuke was lead to his. Now I am not saying the Rikudo directly placed these views in their heads that would be absurd. Rather I think the Rikudo em-bolstered their resolve in their views while at the same time getting each of them to see the other as a mortal enemy that cannot be reasoned with.

How weird of the Rikudo to spawn a clan of people perfect for containing tailed beasts? ""

How weird of him to pass down eyes that gets stronger as you kill people close to you? "My Hokage must be able to cut all relations to be complete"

He is playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers.


But... Why?​

The how is always simple, the Why is a completely different story. So what is the Rikudo's motives for wanting Naruto and Sasuke to fight? First off lets get one thing clear.

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Take a look at this picture, most importantly take a look at the hand signs that the Rikudo is making. Do you know what they mean? Follow this link to find out:


They are listed as signs #5 and #6 (Yes I think the Rikudo has big connection to Budha but thats a theory thread for another time.)

The left hand sign represents: Expelling Negativity/Evil
The right hand sign represents: Compassion/Sincerity/Wish Granting

Naruto is Compasionate, Sincere and his drive to save Sasuke can only be described as Wishful thinking, yet the Mudra for Expelling Evil is on his side. While Sasuke on the other hand has spent his entire life vanquishing evil whether it be the brother who killed his family, the Hokage the made him do it or the government/system that empowered said hokage. One could think that these are mixed up.

But above the Rikudo is the Yin/Yang symbol, which represents balance. Refers to the balance of two things, but for balance to happen you must first have a mixture. How can light and dark balance if they never met? How can there be hot and cold create warmth if they never mix? Perhaps that was his mistake?

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Perhaps the problem wasnt the fact that he chose Ashura, perhaps the problem is the fact that he Chose!. He made a point to say "If that is the natural flow of things" Lets emphasis 2 things here.

1) Natural Flow of Things: But we cannot know, he ruined the natural flow by intervening and making a choice. Perhaps he is trying to recreate the scenario between Indra and Ashura in order to allow the natural order to take over and finally decide what the true outcome should be?

2) The above is later emphasis by the "If", which means that even know he still does not know whether it is the natural flow of things or not. How can he find out? Simple. Let things flow natural, but first he must recreate the scenario.


Conclusion​

An important thing to understand here is that the Rikudo isnt evil he merely see's a bigger picture. I believe in the end he was weary of his decision of choosing Ashura. And believed that it could possibly be a mistake. And so he made it possible to change that decision if the time ever came... You dont think so? Then let me ask you one question.

Why did the Rikudo transmigrate in the first place? Watching over his descendants for no real reason?

Had one last thread left in me, hope you guys liked it and as always. Enjoy the Read!!
 
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nice thread , i think you may be onto something with this.
 

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I'm a little confused as for the way you treated the panels about who is talking and when. When it says "why naruto" if you go back to the chapter of when Naruto first talked to the sage, Naruto said about the pal things right away, it wasn't like answering to anyone. What I'm trying to say is that here is makes more sense if that why is Hagoromo's questioning Sasuke's reason to kill Naruto and that's why Sasuke says "because".
 

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I'm a little confused as for the way you treated the panels about who is talking and when. When it says "why naruto" if you go back to the chapter of when Naruto first talked to the sage, Naruto said about the pal things right away, it wasn't like answering to anyone. What I'm trying to say is that here is makes more sense if that why is Hagoromo's questioning Sasuke's reason to kill Naruto and that's why Sasuke says "because".

1) Sasuke didnt say because, that was what I paraphrased, Hence why it was in brackets.

2) Naruto didnt say were great pals right away, to be more specific he said it after Rikudo asked him Why.

3) His statement to Sasuke wasnt in the form of a question, rather it was more like an order akin to giving someone information.

I wasnt too sure what you meant so I just addressed what I say that could be wrong. Please let me know if I didnt answer you properly.
 

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He's not playing both sides, he's playing neither.

LOL... you think the Sage said "My hokage needs to be able to cut all relations to be complete"?

Dude you are off your nut. First off, the Sage doesn't care who will become 'hokage', he's working on a slightly larger scale than 1 ninja village. Secondly nothing about Hagoromo's character jives with this statement. Lastly, everything about Sasuke's character jives with this statement.

Just give it up man... Sage ain't evil.
 
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I stopped reading after the first theory. How misled you have been. Can't wait until this gets animated to show sasuke was talking the whole time.
 

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This entire theory will be pending on a Viz release. You taking the unoffical stuff as 100% truth when time and time again viz says otherwise.
 

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I like your thread but Rikudo doesn't say "My Hokage needs to be able to cut all relations to be complete" Sasuke says it to Rikudo on page 16 of ***********. Sasuke says "Losing Itachi, I thought I was finally alone...But there was Naruto... I absolutely must kill Naruto, in order to complete my version of Hokage! One who has severed himself from all his connections."

Even without Rikudo having said that, I agree with your premise. He is playing both ends against the middle because he's hoping the middle is where it settles. Ashura and Indra have always been extremes. Even before they started warring they were on opposite sides of the spectrum as far as philosophy and ideals went. He originally gave Ashura the power because he felt that Ashura was closer to his own ideals and a better person to spread Ninshu.

That was a mistake Rikudo has been trying to make up for since. This time he was going to give both of them power and see how that turns out. I do believe he feels that this might not have worked either and realizes there is nothing else he can do. They have to settle it between themselves. The world will choose what it chooses.

He tells Kakashi to have faith, so he would like things to go Naruto's way. He would like Naruto to get Sasuke to see that some bonds are necessary and there are many things that can only be accomplished with others. He thinks Naruto is unconventional enough that he has a chance to reach Sasuke because Sasuke truly did think of Naruto as his only friend. They will both have to realize disagreeing with each others approaches does not make them entirely wrong. That there are some good and bad things with both of their ideas.

I think Rikudo exits with hope, but he has also been down this road for thousands of years watching his sons transmigrations battle it out and truly feels he has done everything he could to right the wrongs of the past. If it doesn't work this time he won't interfere again and just let the world have it's way. He empowered them to bring it to a showdown. I think he's tired of visiting transmigrants and would like for himself and his sons to rest in peace.
 

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I stopped reading after the first theory. How misled you have been. Can't wait until this gets animated to show sasuke was talking the whole time.
This, I stopped reading after that. I knew then his post was bullshit... OP THE SAGE DIDN'T SAY THAT SHIT for god's sake, his mouth was freaking closed the whole time during that panel. Sasuke said that shit. What the hell does the Sage of the Six Paths look like saying, "My hokage needs to cut all relations to be complete".. ?? The fucck?

So the Sage has a cellar, full of hokages that he values as his play things then? Fool.
 

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It seems things have gotten, lax, in my absences.

In this thread I am entertaining the notion of Rikudo saying these things and I give my reasons for believing such:

1) We have seen the Rikudo leading and agreeing with Naruto and so it stands to reason that he would also lead and agree with Sasuke, the same way he told Naruto "The boy of prophecy has come to change the world" he could have told sasuke "I need my hokage to..."

2) Change in camera perspective

3) Change in flow


People reply saying he isnt saying that because he isnt saying that. Which is fine this is all theory, but are you guys really saying that what I am saying is impossible?
 

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To answer that question at the bottom..

He said he was naive. Most likely with that too and not just tailed beasts

Also, parents tend to have a fav child obv if more than one

Ashura could have been his favorite and he loved his kids so he watched them through time.

As a fence sitter

I believe he is not really talking to naruto nor sasuke even though names were used. He was directing more towards his children. Like sasuke and naruto is a medium and seeing how they feel based off the generations they went through before he leaves.

That's what i believe from the way op stated his op
 

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To answer that question at the bottom..

He said he was naive. Most likely with that too and not just tailed beasts

Also, parents tend to have a fav child obv if more than one

Ashura could have been his favorite and he loved his kids so he watched them through time.

As a fence sitter

I believe he is not really talking to naruto nor sasuke even though names were used. He was directing more towards his children. Like sasuke and naruto is a medium and seeing how they feel based off the generations they went through before he leaves.

That's what i believe from the way op stated his op

Exactly, it says, the Rikudo loved both of his son's so he couldn't bear to take a side.
 

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The Sage established that he was trusting Naruto with changing Sasuke, and when Sasuke announced his intentions he said "so he was no good either."

He gave Sasuke power under the hopes that it would change Sasuke for the better so he wouldn't become like Indra.

He didn't want them to fight, he was shown to be upset over the fact that they would fight.

The Sage is basically siding with Naruto over all, but hoped that by splitting the power Sasuke would change and support Naruto.

The only reason he can't intervene is because he is weakening and about to fade away.

And the Sage didn't say that the Hokage must cut all relations, Sasuke said that.
 
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