[Predictions] [FEAR] Orochimaru's Plan

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Orochimaru's been plotting.... and he's been waiting...​


Orochimaru's Plot​

Alot of people have been questioning how exactly Orochimaru is going to go about getting what we all know he wants. Which is Sasuke's Body:

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But then later on in the manga we see him say he is waiting for Sasuke's Wind:

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Then

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Now in that above scan you see Orochimaru saying that they need to wait for something and we are led to believe he is looking for a time to strike, but later one we see him and his team mow through them:

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So then what was he waiting for?

Now Here is where I start to make a little bit of sense.


Orochimaru's Cunning

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Kabuto says he sensed a party coming but didnt know it was Orochimaru & gang. It is also safe to say that Orochimaru also sensed Kabuto, but the real question is did he know it was Kabuto the entire time?

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Not to mention the fact that he knew Kabuto was under Izanami and would want to keep dabs on him. So it is safe to say that he knew Kabuto was coming... And perhaps that is what he was having them wait for... But wouldn't a weakened Sasuke be the exact thing Orochimaru wants? Not necessarily:

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This scan tells us 2 things, one I will cover later but the main thing is that Kabuto and Orochimaru's true goals are to become like the Sage of 6 paths. Remember Kabuto's goals at this time are the same as Orochimaru's, and Orochimaru wants to learn/master all Jutsu, and what better way to do that than to attain the power of the Sage, the Rinnegan. And he cannot do that without the Sharingan, which explains his obsession with Sasuke and his eyes.

So if Orochimaru is after the Rinnegan what does that have to do with Sasuke?

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Well Sasuke is being healed with non-other than Hashirama Cells... And we all know that Senju + Uchiha DNA = Rinnegan. But you may say, Sasuke must then reach near death in order to gain the Rinnegan, and so I give you the 2nd thing the prior scan shows us:

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Madara see's that he has the Rinnegan and questions Kabuto because he didn't get the Rinnegan until he was old, and since he wasn't revived in his old age he shouldnt have the Rinnegan, he then immediately realizes that Kabuto (And Orochimaru) had discovered the Secrets to his body.

If you still dont grasp it I will explain it this way:

1) Kabuto revived Madara's body.
2) Used the Hashirama DNA at his disposal and implanted it into Madara's Edo Corpse
3) He fulfilled some other requirement unlocking Madara's Rinnegan.
4) He then finished the Edo sealing Madara's soul into the body.

But the main thing here is that nearing death is not necessary.


Orochimaru's Genius​

But you must be asking, The stronger Orochimaru makes Sasuke the harder it will be to get his body right? Well what if he can have his cake and eat it too?

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He is currently inside of a Zetsu Clone, which gives him the use of Mokuton but also gives him something else that is special:

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A Perfect Duplicate! Of anyone he touches. Obito state's that the duplicate is too weak for battle but that is because it is a Clone using a Substitution Jutsu and this is before the White Zetsu Clones are enhanced using Yamato's DNA. It is likely that Orochimaru could find a way around this or at the very least use himself as a test subject to transfer this powers to another subject with out any limitations.

The Perfect Duplication technique of the White Zetsu is so strong that it stays active even after death:

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So then the question is how can Orochimaru even know about all of this stuff?

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Orochimaru's Sudden Decision​

If your still skeptical check this out:

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Orochimaru is revived by Sasuke:

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Orochimaru blatently states that he has no interest in this war, but says he is still only interested in Sasuke Body. But does not have the power to take it from him (By Force).

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He hears Sasuke's Plans and points out that Sasuke is different than he was when he and Obito were manipulating him. And then:

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He makes a B-Line straight to Kabuto, taking out some power and information from Obito. He states that "Something feels strange" and there is a symbol above his head signifying he has realized or noticed something. And exactly
afterwards:

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The main thing I see in that last scan is "The way you are now, its not bad", at first glance one would think he was talking about Sasuke's attitude. But Sasuke's attitude didnt change. He is still searching for who he feels is responsible for the death of his clan and simply wants to question the Hokage before making a decision. Nothing about Sasuke has really changed, even after speaking to the Kage he hasnt really changed. With that said I believe Orochimaru's statement refers to:

1) He was talking about the Zetsu Clone inside of hmi and realized what he could do with them.

2) He was talking about Sasuke's EMS and realized he was very close to getting the Rinnegan.


Conclusion​

I believe Orochimaru still plans on taking Sasuke's body, but instead of taking it by force, he will take it without Sasuke even knowing he has taken it. And that is by using White Zetsu Shapeshifting Technique.

Everything up until this point has been a delicate dance to position himself in a place to be able to get Sasuke's Power.

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UPDATE #1​

im sure oro is there for some reson he got somthing in his mind always.bt i dont think he is going able to stole sasuke body coz that will make him fv more likely
dont get me wrong i like that guy.im not saying he is a villian bt if he stole sasuke body then he going to be. he is a bad guy before he is going to destroy konoha.he kills many ppl including children name of science. science that only help to made him strong bt again like the guy he is mystery.
dont get me wrong i like that guy.im not saying he is a villian bt if he stole sasuke body then he going to be. he is a bad guy before he is going to destroy konoha.he kills many ppl including children name of science. science that only help to made him strong bt again like the guy he is mystery.
He still does, He still kills people in the name of science and not but 5 minutes ago (Right before he was sealed) he was trying to get Sasuke's Body. Everybody thinks that because he is helping Sasuke that he is suddenly a good guy and has gone back on all the things he has done in the past, do people think he is going to join Sasuke's merry band of misfits?

Now what I am saying is that Orochimaru is a bad guy. He always will be by nature. What we are talking about here is wether or not him getting Sasuke's body will set him up as a FV. And let me reitterate that him getting Sasuke's body will not hurt Sasuke in the slightest, he will merely be using Zetsu's Shapeshifting Technique to become a perfect copy of Sasuke.

Now the logic behind Orochimaru not being a FV (Future Villian) is that if Kishimotto would do this because there would be no way to address what happens and how that situation ends within this arc. So if he does that the manga will have to enter another arc to explain how that situation ends, and since people see this arc as the end of the manga it stands to reason that this cannot happen since Kishi wouldnt leave the manga on cliffhanger (Or would he?).

But my question to people who feel like something like this would make Orochimaru a Future Villian is "When did he stop being a Villian?". If Orochimaru has Sasuke's body he wouldnt do anything with it that he wouldnt already do with his body. His experiments will still continue, his motives will remain unchanged. So him recieving a power up like this only perpetuates the idea that he is a villian but the fact that he is a villian still wouldnt have changed.

And the question being begged, in regards to Orochimaru's next venture, would be begged regardless of whether he got Sasuke's body or not. And so the argument that X cannot happen because it will make Y a Future villain is self defeating if Y is already a villian. Which Orochimaru is.


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Agree with this theory, But the only thing I am Sceptical about is the duplication of the Rinnegan. As far as we know, Madra's EDO Rinnegan was fake and it Shattered after he was revived. If the Rinnegan could be duplicated, then why would his Rinnegan shatter ?



Via the above, we can also assume that Madara was using the Rinnegan's power via Proxy control, the same way, he used Susanoo without Eyes.

 
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Im glad everyone has liked my thread so far!

Agree with this theory, But the only thing I am Sceptical about is the duplication of the Rinnegan. As far as we know, Madra's EDO Rinnegan was fake and it Shattered after he was revived. If the Rinnegan could be duplicated, then why would his Rinnegan shatter ?
That is because the Rinne Tensie does not duplicate, it revives. But it can only revive what is dead. Madara's eyes never died but instead were passed down from Nagato to Obito up until now. How can Rinne Tensie revive a Eye that never died. And so it makes sense for Madara not to have his eyes after being revived.

White Zetsu's Shapeshifting Technique on the other hand copies a person down to there Chakra. And we see him copying both Neji and Hinata and using their Byakugan. I think Kishimoto had White Zetsu copy them for a reason, in order to make a president that peoples KKG's (Especially Doujutsu) can be copied.
 
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A small thing is that Madara's eyes were never his in the first place. The same also applies to Sasuke who has Itachi's Eyes. Perhaps Orochimaru is after Itachi's Totsuka Sword. Also Agreed. Thanks for clearing that up.

Via Itachi's Eyes, Orochimaru can obtain the Totsuka Sword and Yata Mirror which he has been after for many years.
 
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his reputation was completely destroyed and kishi can't make him the final villain anymore ( i suppose you know the reason).

if you want to blame somebody blame rock lee.
 

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Nah, I don't think so. People are always overlooking Oro's own explanation about his change to Tsunade. He doesn't want to be the one that changes things anymore, but wants to see how Sasuke's shinobi way ends up.

Besides, pretty much the whole series has been building up to Madara as the main and final antagonist.
 

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Nah, I don't think so. People are always overlooking Oro's own explanation about his change to Tsunade. He doesn't want to be the one that changes things anymore, but wants to see how Sasuke's shinobi way ends up.

Besides, pretty much the whole series has been building up to Madara as the main and final antagonist.
I didnt overlook the explanation... It is in my thread and I discuss it and what he meant when he said it.

And I wouldnt say Madara would be the final antagonist.. rather just an antagonist. Which each arc must have. Aizen in bleach was meant to be a "Final" antagonist, yet the manga kept going after that.
 

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Even before joining NB, I have already read most of your theories and I think you're a very good theorist, and your theories are awesome, and that I agree with you most of the time.

BUT, I have to disagree with you this time, I don't think Kishi is planning on making Oro the FV, MAYBE this is what he's planning, but I doubt that he will succeed even if that was his goal, as Kabuto is there and just like Obito, he will prevent Oro from harming Sasuke until he wakes up, completely recovers and then finish off Oro
 

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Even before joining NB, I have already read most of your theories and I think you're a very good theorist, and your theories are awesome, and that I agree with you most of the time.

BUT, I have to disagree with you this time, I don't think Kishi is planning on making Oro the FV, MAYBE this is what he's planning, but I doubt that he will succeed even if that was his goal, as Kabuto is there and just like Obito, he will prevent Oro from harming Sasuke until he wakes up, completely recovers and then finish off Oro
 

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Even before joining NB, I have already read most of your theories and I think you're a very good theorist, and your theories are awesome, and that I agree with you most of the time.

BUT, I have to disagree with you this time, I don't think Kishi is planning on making Oro the FV, MAYBE this is what he's planning, but I doubt that he will succeed even if that was his goal, as Kabuto is there and just like Obito, he will prevent Oro from harming Sasuke until he wakes up, completely recovers and then finish off Oro
Thanks! I am glad people enjoy my threads.

With that said I think we should explore the idea of the FV... I dont believe Orochimaru ever stopped being a villian. Keep in mind that his only goals has been and will always be to discover and master all jutsu. He wants that as much as Naruto wants to be Hokage and that hasnt changed. He may not be interested in "destroying" Konoha and I guess that makes him not a villian in the figurative sense. But he is still immortal and may/will still go through evil experiments to gain more power. And I dont think a 1 minute long conversation with Sasuke is going to change that.

I dont think this plan has anything to do with setting Orochimaru up as a future villian, or to extend the manga. I think it is more likely that Orochimaru will get Sasuke's chakra covertly then sneak off into the shadows smiling never to be seen again.

As far as Kabuto protecting Sasuke, This wouldnt hurt Sasuke at all. White Zetsu copied both Kisame and Neji and none where hurt. The technique itself is completely harmless.
 

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Good work. I had a feeling Kishi brought the pedo snake back for some reason and that he was gonna be a wildcard. You basically confirmed this.
 

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im sure oro is there for some reson he got somthing in his mind always.bt i dont think he is going able to stole sasuke body coz that will make him fv more likely
 

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im sure oro is there for some reson he got somthing in his mind always.bt i dont think he is going able to stole sasuke body coz that will make him fv more likely
I disagree, the only reason he was a Villian before was because he wanted to destroy Konoha which he just said he doesnt want to do anymore.

Orochimaru isnt a villian, he is a scientist, on a quest to understand the true meaning of chakra.
 

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I disagree, the only reason he was a Villian before was because he wanted to destroy Konoha which he just said he doesnt want to do anymore.

Orochimaru isnt a villian, he is a scientist, on a quest to understand the true meaning of chakra.
dont get me wrong i like that guy.im not saying he is a villian bt if he stole sasuke body then he going to be. he is a bad guy before he is going to destroy konoha.he kills many ppl including children name of science. science that only help to made him strong bt again like the guy he is mystery.
 
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