[FE@R] Juubito's Black Hole Release: Analyzed

[veggetta13]

What´s the trouble of warping stuff through dimensions giving shape to the jutsu itself?

Isn´t this just like "raikiri"? I mean Sasuke could draw the map of Mississippi with lightning, but it remains lightning. Obito´s just making it look awesome..

 

[yoshimitsu]

Space and Mass sir. Gravitational forces can't appear just like that over a volume, they need a core object with some density that creates the attractional field. The space would only limit the range of this force field.

That's why this technique is not ordinary, if it were only space, even Minato could do this since he can manipulate space and time. This need the 'creation' of a tangible high-density mass that attracts other things, and as far as we know, the creation jutsu belongs only to those who achieved the Rinnegan (the Sage included).

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I'm not saying that your idea is wrong, even so, I agree. What I say is that the nature of its behaviour could be explained through the creation of a black hole, since Anti-Matter possess mass (what is really different in Anti-Matter is their electric charge).

At least it's all I can say, since the core of Chibaku Tensei seems to be a 'black' sphere (so the gravitational force is strong enough to absorb the light that of course, has mass on each photon).

So feel free to make use of the concept of electric field instead of gravitational field (with some algebra you can prove that electric fields are way more poweful than gravitational field), so in that case the power of Chibaku Tensei could be connected to atoms.

1) Well said

I don't think you have an understanding of what space, matter, and energy are if that is "well said". That was very hard to follow and a bit everywhere.

Yes electromagnetism is stronger, its a million million million million million million million (1x10^42) times stronger than the force of gravity between say 2 neutrons (just so there's a neutral charge between the two). However, gravity's force is one way (always pulls towards it) and it extends over a very large distance (force is 1/r^2, inverse square relative to distance). Also, the force of gravity depends on the amount of mass/energy. A super-condensed tennis ball with the mass of the Earth would have exactly the same gravitational field as the Earth. The distance do to the center of the mass is irrelevant, only the mass/energy itself is key.

Also, everything has mass. There is no such thing as massless. When physicists say massless they mean relative to something phenomenally more massive. By the equivalence of mass and energy, the existence of masslessness is impossible because mass is energy.

To relate, Chibaku Tensei is definitively gravity-related. From a distance, the objects would float towards the center of attraction. As they got closer, their speed increased exponentially. By the time they are near the center, the objects smash into it at great velocity.

 

[Mr Hiru]

To relate, Chibaku Tensei is definitively gravity-related. From a distance, the objects would float towards the center of attraction. As they got closer, their speed increased exponentially. By the time they are near the center, the objects smash into it at great velocity.

Of course it's gravity related since it attracts objects. But Shinra Tensei seems to have another nature, it seems to be related to electromagnetism since it can repel objects and even jutsus (fire and lightning are just energy that travels through a material conductor, so if the conductor is repelled, the energy is repelled too. Water works as conductor for lightning, and earth and wind works as conductor for fire, wind works as conductor for lightning too).

I suppose Banshou Ten'in is related to electromagnetism too since it can attract few/specific targets changing its electric properties at distance.

 

[yoshimitsu]

Of course it's gravity related since it attracts objects. But Shinra Tensei seems to have another nature, it seems to be related to electromagnetism since it can repel objects and even jutsus (fire and lightning are just energy that travels through a material conductor, so if the conductor is repelled, the energy is repelled too. Water works as conductor for lightning, and earth and wind works as conductor for fire, wind works as conductor for lightning too).

I suppose Banshou Ten'in is related to electromagnetism too since it can attract few/specific targets changing its electric properties at distance.

Those techniques could work that way, but then Kishi would have a flawed understanding of the electromagnetic force. The force weakens with increased temperature.

If it is the electromagnetic force, then Shinra Tensei/Bansho Tennin must simultaneous charge whatever it's hitting and then charge himself (the user) accordingly to create that repulsion/attraction. There has been nothing in the manga that I can recall that even slightly gives evidence to this though. And we've seen Pain use those techniques a fair amount.

edit: actually charging the user is a bit silly. If that's how those techniques work, he would simultaneously charge the incoming objects and the ground/planet he's standing on. That would account for Pain not recoiling the F back from his techniques. It would also account for Madara's meteorites smashing into the planet rather than Madara drawn towards the meteor.

 

[Mr Hiru]

Those techniques could work that way, but then Kishi would have a flawed understanding of the electromagnetic force. The force weakens with increased temperature.

If it is the electromagnetic force, then Shinra Tensei/Bansho Tennin must simultaneous charge whatever it's hitting and then charge himself (the user) accordingly to create that repulsion/attraction. There has been nothing in the manga that I can recall that even slightly gives evidence to this though. And we've seen Pain use those techniques a fair amount.

You seem to understand well the concept behind the logic explanation.

Indeed, I believe Pain change its own electric charge and makes it equal to his adjacent targets in order to be able to create a repulsive impulse (Shinra Tensei) that pushes everything in the way.

If you played Ultimate Ninja Storm 2, you'll notice that everytime Pain uses Shinra Tensei against Six-Tails Naruto he stops saying 'T-the pressure...'. So I guess this makes a lot of sense.

[video=youtube;W1Qvyuzpu-4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W1Qvyuzpu-4[/video]

Look at 5:00

Of course, the manga won't state these things since it's not necessary for common people, and just between us, we are just theorising so we can have a better understanding of the Rinnegan/Juubi/Sage techniques with a big amount of weed at hand.