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no. the entire reason was the hokage was dead and they needed a new one.
Incorrect. Check chapter 148. Jiraiya states he needs Tsunade to heal them.
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8 bijuus = no need to keep the deal. itachi cant predict their rate of obtaining them.
As I stated, they did not have all the bijuus, Itachi did not take Naruto when he could have several times and tried to kill Obito before they could obtain all the bijuus. You have no rebuttal here.
he delayed nothing as he did nothing to save the other jins. delaying konoahs destruction means nothing
Had he not killed the Uchiha clan, a civil war would have broken out and Konoha would likely have been destroyed before a world war ensured, thus he delayed all out war for ten years. This is not my opinion, this is the whole plot device and purpose of the massacre described by the characters who knew the Uchiha inside and out. You subjective opinion of it holds no ground. Itachi's mission was to infiltrate Akatsuki, convince them he was part of them and eventually kill their leader when his guard was down, not take on all the Akatsuki at once to rescue the jinchurikis, to which he likely would have been killed and his mission would have failed, to which Sasuke would not have obtained his powers and Obito would have been free to attack Konoha that much more quickly. And he not only delayed the war, but he ended the forth war, by releasing edo tensei and saving thousands.
he sped it up
No, he delayed it ten years, protected Konoha and ended the edo tensei battle.
no they didnt.
No, just all the anbu black ops and police force Uchiha members who would not have even thought of arranging a coup if they did not possess the power, skills and forces to, along with Itachi and Hiruzen killing them all off. Your argument is invalid and moot.
and if he hadnt gone under such trauama he woiuldnt have nearly exterminated konoha
Or killed Danzou, or helped Itachi defeat Kabuto, or defeat Deidara, or seal Orochimaru, or saved his teammeates several times over, or help Naruto fight Madara.
he has no job. he has moral and logical obligations
And his moral and logical obligation was to protect his peaceful village over one warmongering clan and power up his brother so that he wouldn't be killed and would help defeat Akatsuki. And yes, he did have a job, given to him by Hiruzen.
not demoralised and beaten down.
Right, Madara, Izuna and their father just crawled into holes and died of shame after several of their clan were killed and they continued to lose to the Senju. Try again?
did you forget about ibikis squad? they dont have to let uchihas be alone and fester. they can torture them and break down their will till they are loyal again.
Ibiki was defeated by the animal path, what makes you think he would have the power and intellect to take on a brigade of skilled, genius Uchiha who surpass his own intellect, skills and power, who acted as not only the anbu, but as the whole Konoha police force, all with the sharingan, possessing copy jutsu, the ultimate genjutsus and even boyond with many unlocking the MS including Shisui, Itachi, Obito and Sasuke. And as I recall, Ibiki has been captured and tortured himself many times. Konoha wasn't built on torturing and brainwashing prisoners. It's a peaceful melting pot of clans. The whole reason Tobirama kicked the uchiha out of the village was because they were becoming arrogant with their powers and adopting Madara's ideals again. Would you rather he gave them their own village and authority over Konoha's law and order or "tortured" and made examples of them?
escape how?
Through their foreshadowed forces and the use of the sharingan.
gain more pwoer how? they are defeated. emotions mean nothing.
The sharingan is unlocked through emotional surges according to the events of Sasuke unlocking his tomoes and Tobirama's revelation of it. Defeat, hate, despair, death of loved ones, etc. I'm beginning to wonder if you read the manga or just skim it, no offense.
the only way to advance the eyes is kiling your friends.
Incorrect. Sasuke's first tomoe unlocked out of hatred for Itachi killing his parents and the clan. His second unlocked from reviewing that and fighting Haku to protect his friends. His third unlocked in the his fight with Naruto because he was fighting his best friend, and his MS unlocked when he learned the truth of Itachi. Itachi did not kill Shisui. Shisui either killed himself or is still alive and in exile. Madara did not kill Izuna, Tobirama did. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.
then hes a fool because this is impossible.
Itachi was a genius from age 4, knew of war and conflict, knew the Uchiha inside and out including their skills, powers and origins, was anbu captain at age 13 and both his clan and Konoha wanted to use him as a key player. I believe his outlook of the things around him far surpasses your own invalidated outlook.
it wouldnt plunge anytrhing into a war.
Well, according to he, Hiruzen and the elders who knew the Uchiha inside and out as well as Konoha and fought in many wars unlike yourself, you are wrong. Rejecting long established plot devices with subjective, invalidated opinions is not going to strengthen your argument.
danzo had the situation handled.
Danzou was a decrepit old man and schemer who hid underground and let others do the dirty work. His entire anti-government root faction had dwindled to nearly nothing and he was forced to join Orochimaru to increase the chances of his rebellion, to which he failed again, to which he then tried to ursurp the seat of Hokage after Tsunade was nearly killed protecting the village while he again hid underground and willingly watched the leaf be destroyed, and failed a third time. Both Shisui and Itachi had more than enough power to destroy him, but due to their loyalties to the village and Hiruzen, did not.
combing their anbu was enough to ambush uchihas.
And then what? Kill or torture a few of them to which they would have only increased their powers through emotional trauma and invited another coup? One with possibly other villages involved, assuming the Anbu would even have succeeded. They couldn't even defeat the sound 4.
what world war? the other nations wont do anything.
Lol now I know you skim for sure. It was stated by Obito and Hiruzen that other nations would have taken advantage of the civil war and invaded Konoha, resulting in a world war. You really believe the Cloud, Bloody Mist and Sand would have just sat around while Konoha was weakened?
so you admit his job is to kill the entire planet by helping its enemies and doing nothing at all to stop them
Infinite Tsukuyomi doesn't kill people. It puts them in a genjutsu. And Obito's initial plan was not to start a war, but to hold the kages ransom. Itachi prevented Akatsuki from getting Naruto and destroying the leaf while he was alive, strengthened Sasuke's powers and gave him his own powers and almost succeeded in killing Obito.
which would have happened with or without itachi, only itd be anbu sneaking into the rooms
Assuming those anbu had Itachi and Obito's skills and powers, which they didn't. What exactly is your point here because I'm not seeing one.
and then he put one eprson above all the clans the village and the world and helped akatsuki start the worst war in history so he culd pointlessly kil himself at sasukes hand.
When was it ever stated this was the worst war in history? I don't recall any of the kages or main characters other than Neji, Shikaku, Inoichi, Mabui and Ao being killed. The whole shinobi alliance is still alive, helped defeat Obito and is still standing because Itachi spared Naruto and Sasuke and helped release Edo Tensei. Your argument was that he was manipulating Sasuke, not protecting him. You are contradicting yourself. In the end, if he had brainwashed Sasuke, whether it was ethical or not, it would have been a double-edged just sword because Sasuke would have been with his friends again and happy while Konoha would be safe from him. Sparing Sasuke was not putting him above his mission. He had him under control and focused on killing him and Akatsuki members up to the point that he almost killed Obito, but Obito somehow survived and told him the truth. Having Sasuke kill him was not pointless as it would have made Sasuke look like a hero and allowed him to return to Konoha. Doding so also allowed him to transfer his powers to Sasuke so that he would be able to continue to fight Akatsuki.
um exactly. which is exactly why itachi was not needed.
It was stated only Itachi could do the mission because he knew the Uchiha and their village inside and out and had the greatest skills and powers to do it. And again, you are contradicting yourself. You stated initially that Itachi was a terrible person for killing his clan, yet now you justify that it still should have been done, just not by "him." I'm not following your logic here and I doubt you understand what you're saying any longer.
unprovoked? the bad blood was boiling for decades
The "bad blood was boiling" before Tobirama even kicked them out, as he stated they were becoming arrogant and adapting to Madara's ideals again. That was the whole reason he did it, to protect the village from the very same coup, which he predicted correctly would happen.
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