Faith is one of the world's great evils

[ComplexCity]

We'll agree to disagree then

What is there to disagree when nigh everything fits that definition? I can said someone has blind faith in just about anything which again is fallacious because you cannot prove faith in the first place

 

[Genjitxu]

I don't think you understood my point or that you've never went to college.

You have faith that concepts like good and evil exist - not that they are social constructs. They exist independently of mankind. So would the Pythagorean theorem. Our morality approximates the true nature of good and evil that we dimly perceive in our fallen states.
"I don't think [.....] that you went to college" OR "I don't think [.......] that you've ever gone to college" is how it's written. But for you to say that I didn't go to college is as presumptuous as the therapists who think they can know the human heart.

Your subjective experience is irrelevant in this matter. I'm not saying faith is always evil. I'm saying it's the source of evil and used as a weapon.

1 - I am agreeing with you that people should use their free will to choose whether to accept God's Word or not. I did. I agree that it is not enough to be born into a religion. A soul must be born again. What is born of the flesh is flesh but what is born of the Spirit is spirt. So that answers "why I am so confident in my faith" which was your first question.

Didn't answr my question though.

2 - Faith lets us know who God is and how to reestablish our covenant with Him. Accept His Word - Jesus the Word of God, the logos, who says, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last" (Revelation 22:13).
Use your free will to do that and He will give you new life. Because you're fallen and dying, on a dying planet, in a dying universe. Therefore, the "advancement of human knowledge" is vanity (Ecclesiastes).

Yet they happened, because of faith. That's the point.

3 - People do bad things because "their hearts are deceitful above all else, and desperately wicked" (Jeremiah 17:9). Not faith. God did not order those abominations. The people carrying out those abominations have no fear of God.

Good for you, but you are mistaken and belittling yourself if you think you need religion for any of that. Tell me one thing a religious person can do that a non-religious person can't do?

8 - I am going to install these things for free for the rest of my life. I have a patent pending that I am going to keep open sourced so others can build and install these things. People will want them, handymen will start their careers installing them, and we will all save water. All because God answered a prayer of mine and that prayer became this project. Verse chorus verse with the Lord of Song. He wants a chorus though and I can't provide that alone...

 

[Bored38]

What is there to disagree when nigh everything fits that definition? I can said someone has blind faith in just about anything which again is fallacious because you cannot prove faith in the first place

Seriously?? Thats a ridiculous statement and im done entertaining you.

 

[ComplexCity]

Seriously?? Thats a ridiculous statement and im done entertaining you.

So what I Iearned on NB today is that you can prove faith, glad to know. I'll also leave this here

Blind faith as in believing in something that can't be known.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

Read what I said again. I said he thinks Aliens creating life on Earth makes more sense than God doing it.

Taking that out of context. He said that if there was any intelligent design, he would consider aliens to be a more likely explanation than a deity. He does not think that aliens actually created life on earth.

 

[Genjitxu]

Aliens are demons. Fallen angels and demons. The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing you he doesn't exist but aliens do.
It's a big universe right? Anything could happen right? Must be aliens, right? Aliens could fly here only to hide and occasionally scare the crap outta people. NO
Aliens would take over but they can't. They're not waiting for us to "evolve." God is restraining them. Because God has always restrained the forces of darkness. Aliens are demons, and demons are here, and they are lying to you.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Taking that out of context. He said that if there was any intelligent design, he would consider aliens to be a more likely explanation than a deity. He does not think that aliens actually created life on earth.

I know that. But it's still very stupid to think another species of material life created life on Earth, as opposed to a transcendent God, especially given that that doesn't even explain the origin of life, but rather simply "delays" it.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

I know that. But it's still very stupid to think another species of material life created life on Earth, as opposed to a transcendent God, especially given that that doesn't even explain the origin of life, but rather simply "delays" it.

Throwing Aliens into the mix only applies to intelligent design, not the origins of life. I'd rather not get into the idea of a deity delaying the origin of life (Where does God come from?) because seriously, that debate's been done already on this thread.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Don't you?

I've never claimed to be an expert in anything, not even my own religion.

Lets say someone did speak to Muhammad, how do you know it was God?Can you prove there are no other entities in existance other than God who could have spoken to him? No.Unless God himself tells me directly that he spoke to Muhammad, it would be nothing but blind faith for me to think that he did

Well, to be more precise, it was the Angel Gabriel who spoke to Prophet Muhammad, but the words were from god. So it was a two way message from God to Gabreil to Prophet Muhammad.

Anyways, my reason for believing that Prophet Muhammad did in fact get revelation from God is because of the numerous miracles in the Quran, both from a scientific perspective and literary perspective. Not to mention the many prophecies of his that came to pass.

So, yes, while God hasn't personally told me that Prophet Muhammad got revelation from him, I can infer he did through the contents of the Quran.

If God made a point to speak to man a thousand years ago and after a thousand years man changed his word to benefit themselves, would God have not known that would happen?

Yes, he would have. Why do you bring this up?

And if that were the case and God thought it important to speak to man in words, why not speak to us all?

He does speak to us, through the text of the Quran. Well, that's my explanation anyways. The only persons in history he's directly talked with, according to Islam, would be Adam and Moses.

Gods word is in his/her/both/neither creation and within us. Natural Law. Unless you believe Gods purpose was to pit us against each other for his entertainment how can you believe he would interact with man in a way that creates the religous conflicts we have today the world over.

I'm not sure I really get what you're saying here.

At this point in history theres no way for individuals to read religous text from different religions and discover which is true and which is bs, which hasn't been tampered with and which has. That impossibility is why I chose not to blindly believe.

The Gospel of Prophet Jesus and the Torah of Prophet Moses have pretty much been confirmed to have been changed actually, hence why there are different versions of them, meanwhile Prophet Muhammad's book, the Quran, has not been changed in it's 1400 years of existence, and has no varying versions of it.

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And btw I was raised as a Christian and spent many years testing my Christian beliefs against other religions by studying other religions. My personal conclusion is that every religous system was put in place by man to control man. Those systems don't get you closer to God, quite the opposite actually in my op.

Alright, you're free to believe what you want. But I had the exact opposite experience, mind you. lol

 

[YowYan]

Yes, actually. If your morality is subjective and has no standard, then what you believe to be right and wrong is just your opinion and not a fact (like the varying ages of when one is allowed to drink and marry, what drugs are allowed to be used, the use of capital punishment in certain countries, are all subjective)

Even that definition of morality you give is just an opinion and not objectiv.

This argument only makes sense to the conditioned mind. I never needed a set standard of do's and don'ts.
Morality is very simply a universal understanding any sound mind would instantly grasp. Not memorize as religious kids are told to, actually grasp.

THINK about it. Do not strategize, do not memorize my words. Think. Anything immoral is robbing another of his or her freedom in any way possible. If each and every individual would understand and respect this universal morality; laws, borders and separation would not be needed. Wether you decide to drink alcohol or not means nothing in this subject. It's fine to understand the danger of alcohol but to prohibit it as if it's satans saliva is ridiculous.

 

[NarutoKage2]

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Unable to answer the most fundamental question of Evolution, unable to show proof of mutations adding information into the genome. Not surprising, considering such a thing has never been observed, yet people like him insist evolution is the truth.



Read what I said again. I said he thinks Aliens creating life on Earth makes more sense than God doing it.



wow



Obviously. Science deals with the material world, of which God is transcendent of, as he created the universe. You can;t research God, you can't test his existence. That's common sense. Regardless of that, it's not hard to find support for ID in nature and , as a Muslim, I'd also add the Quran as support for God's existence given it's miraculous nature.



A knowledge-limited human was able to determine whether an omnipotent God is possible through a 5 minute video when said human doesn't even understand what dreams are and hasn't even seen everything under the oceans. lol Okay.

Not only was that a stupid question, it was the kind of question that only a creationist would ask. Evolution is a demonstrable scientific fact, while your precious intelligent design was shot down by the supreme court in the us in a number of cases as an alternative to be taught in a biology class. Just look up' Kitzmiller vs Dover area school district' for more details.

I don't like insulting , but the Quran is a support for God's existence? Your religious conditioning has undoubtedly led you to believe(or maybe you've been forced into it, I know, I was raised Muslim) that its special or unique. But to any unbiased, neutral observer its not(neither is the bible or w.e). Tell me, where is the muddy pool of water into which the sun sets from which your god hath not ordained any protection(dhul qarnain)?

 

[Made in Heaven]

Not only was that a stupid question, it was the kind of question that only a creationist would ask. Evolution is a demonstrable scientific fact, while your precious intelligent design was shot down by the supreme court in the us in a number of cases as an alternative to be taught in a biology class. Just look up' Kitzmiller vs Dover area school district' for more details.

I don't like insulting , but the Quran is a support for God's existence? Your religious conditioning has undoubtedly led you to believe(or maybe you've been forced into it, I know, I was raised Muslim) that its special or unique. But to any unbiased, neutral observer its not(neither is the bible or w.e). Tell me, where is the muddy pool of water into which the sun sets from which your god hath not ordained any protection(dhul qarnain)?

What? How is it stupid to ask for an example of a mutation adding information into the genome when that fact is the very thing that evolution claims is the reason for the various species on Earth? Yet this supposed expert in said field couldn't answer with a single example, and went on a completely unrelated tangent. Fact remains, not a single example of a mutation actually adding information had ever been seen, which is what evolution depends on for life to evolve. So why should I just accept it blindly?

You say evolution is demonstrable, yet I nor anyone else have ever seen one species turn into another. And before you clamor in with the whole, it takes a long time thing, you just claimed it's demonstrable, meaning I could see it happen. So where is it?

I don't really care what the Supreme Court of America chooses to allow and what not to allow, considering some of the other things they allow and don't allow. In the end, they're humans of different faiths (most I assume to be atheists) so I'm not surprised they'd be against to teaching ID in schools. But whatever, their decisions have nothing to do with this.

I've not been conditioned to believe what I believe, as I am in fact a convert. Off handing my opinion as simply being conditioning is pretty ignorant, considering I'm certainly not the only person who's converted to Islam through the Quran.

First off, being unbiased/neutral is a near impossibility, even I will admit I'm biased. However, there are dozens of people who have spoken good about the Quran, non muslims mind you. Although some did convert to Islam later on, but the statements they made would have been before doing so.

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You claim you were raised a Muslim? Why does that matter here? (I wouldn't be surprised if you were the type who prayed like once a week anyways)

You killed your whole case with that last remark more so than anything you said before. The verses you're referring to do not mention that the sun set inside water, but rather, that it appeared to Thul Qarnayn, the man who had arrived in that land, as if that was the case.

Here's a video to better explain it.

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