[Predictions] Fairy Tail Manga Chapter 415 Discussion and 416 Predictions

[Mahesvara]

Looks like this arc has come to a close...maybe.

 

[Memento Mori]

Regarding Future Villains from now on

After the end of Tartaros arc,it will be all down to E N D,Acnologia and Zeref.Aren’t they the only antagonists left in the manga currently ?.Now that I think there is a major mystery left about Rogue and his Shadow.He may become an antagonist for an arc or so.I have little view based on what Zeref said in chapter 372 to Natsu.For clear Idea see this image below.

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Zeref Said in the above scan that Tartaros is the bookshelf for Zeref Books.That is his capital place where his books live.We know Demon Gates of Tartaros are from the Book of Zeref,Aetherious and their master is E N D(he is also a book).We know that Zeref did create many demon books.So is there a chance that there are any higher up demons from the book(s) of zeref in the tartaros bookshelf which may be introduced later in the story ?.
I am thinking that there may be chances that there are other demon books in the Tartaros.

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10 wizard saints and 10 demon kings & whatnot!

:bye: and I am off for a while.
Meet you all in Next chapter discussion thread.

 

[fiend]

This arc was good, better than the GMC arc but ended on a bittersweet note, on one hand it wrapped up Tartarus and resolved mysteries surrounding dragons disappearance, still many remain, pertinent of which are Zeref and Acnologia's history, END's identity, disappearance of Dragons and Death of lucy's mom in X777 i.e. importance of year X777.

In anyways I am waiting for the next development.

Also I think Dragon Slayer's next power up will be related to the antibodies dragons left in them, which will prevent them form transforming into dragons but will help the amass powers.

 

[A v i]

Damn you Save-kun. Where am I supposed to post reply to your post?:devil:

OT: 100/ 5 chapter.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

This arc was good, better than the GMC arc but ended on a bittersweet note, on one hand it wrapped up Tartarus and resolved mysteries surrounding dragons disappearance, still many remain, pertinent of which are Zeref and Acnologia's history, END's identity, disappearance of Dragons and Death of lucy's mom in X777 i.e. importance of year X777.

In anyways I am waiting for the next development.

Also I think Dragon Slayer's next power up will be related to the antibodies dragons left in them, which will prevent them form transforming into dragons but will help the amass powers.

While I agree that this arc was overall good, it could been better.

Mashima too fast ended thing with Dragons and Igneel. Again, Mashima easily killed antagonists.

 

[UCE]

This Arc was one hell of a fun, time to close it and begin a new.

 

[Jellal Fernandes]

Looks like this arc has come to a close...maybe.

Next chapter..

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Thank the Lord. Honestly this Arc bored me.. Zeref just came to tell us again what he was going to do at the start of this Arc and left again. Time for Jellal to come back and get some panel time hopefully.

 

[A v i]

Most people do only in that way including myself.I would like to know what actual evidence there is to prove Natsu is E N D or he is a counterpart of E N D.First of all if Natsu is the counterpart of E N D then who is the one that separated E N D into two?Hiro just didn't give the hints of E N D is Natsu or his counterpart but his writing is so twisting that we actually can't get a hold of who he is!.Ofcourse there is more chances for it to be being true and at the same time there are also fair chances that show how they cannot be.All of these are only half baked assumptions.None of them as any correct evidence to back up.

It was a theory derived using the hints given by the writer so there isn't anything that can give you certain result. Here my point is that Natsu = END theory is the best possible theory out there. This theory clearly has manga back up and I have already mentioned the hits in my previous posts. The one who separated those is irrelevant at this point.Though I believe it was most likely Igneel. No one ever conformed that Natsu is END. My point is that the chances of this theory being true are more than that of any other theory about END's true identity.

But seriously there was a statement from Zeref which hints that only Natsu can kill Zeref then we have END with the same hype. Why exactly Zeref would make such a claim if he already knew that there is someone besides Natsu that can kill him? It doesn't make any sense.

Yeah.Zeref sure said that to Natsu.E N D is the only one that can kill Zeref and also quoted during Sirius Island arc that "Natsu still don't have the power to defeat me..." along those lines.In that same chapter Zeref did said to natsu that he has grown up."GROWN UP."See that.(Chances Natsu may be even younger than a kid assuming we don't know exactly how Igneel took Natsu)So Natsu is a kid when Zeref and Natsu departed 400 years ago.A kid natsu who is a demon( E N D) ruled over the Tartaros(The place where all the races of the Demons live including Aetherious demons we are seeing in this current arc).Seems fitting ?.Also in latest chapter,Zeref said that he want to settle things with natsu but Acnologia interrupted it.Why Acnologia is not allowing Natsu and Zeref to fight ?.IF Zeref wants to settle things with natsu then assuming he is a kid back 400 years age from interpretation taken from what Igneel said,then what are the things Zeref want to settle down with natsu ?.See how many ways we can interpret the sentences.Before someone thinks that Taratoros is the full of Aetherious demons.No.Aetherious is just a race of demons that are living in Tartaros capital and E N D being the Master of Tartaros.

What if Natsu took the shape of a kid after being separated from END and Zeref witnessed it? It explains everything. Igneel fought full powered END and separated them into evil and light(Kid Natsu) and Zeref witnessed it.

Two sides of the same coin.I have theorized this in FTB and posted in last chapter discussion thread there.It has some huge followers to it.Forget about Natsu being the coin or E N D or what?In Edolas arc,those cuffs that prevent wizards from using magic wouldn't have worked on natsu if he was a demon.You can say here that his Fire slayer magic has been blocked which is of a new origin but his curse has been sealed so they didn't worked.That is too assuming Natsu is of a different entity.Their plans started a while back, what are those demons would have done if Fairy Sphere was never released? If Natsu was END, he'd be summoned without a body? Yeah, don't think so.If E N D is negative self of E N D.I can see this getting come out somehow but still....!.Those nine demon gates and Mard greer would have recognized him. Do you think they would have been trying so hard to kill him if he was their master? Kinda render what they're doing atm completely useless.

I have been saying that END is a demon created from a human and Zeref's magic so all of these points are irrelevant. There is nothing that suggests that Mard Geers knows everything about END. Only people who knows everything are Zeref and Igneel and both of them kinda gave hints which suggests that END is Natsu.

 

[Caliburn]

It was a theory derived using the hints given by the writer so there isn't anything that can give you certain result. Here my point is that Natsu = END theory is the best possible theory out there. This theory clearly has manga back up and I have already mentioned the hits in my previous posts. The one who separated those is irrelevant at this point.Though I believe it was most likely Igneel. No one ever conformed that Natsu is END. My point is that the chances of this theory being true are more than that of any other theory about END's true identity.

But seriously there was a statement from Zeref which hints that only Natsu can kill Zeref then we have END with the same hype. Why exactly Zeref would make such a claim if he already knew that there is someone besides Natsu that can kill him? It doesn't make any sense.



What if Natsu took the shape of a kid after being separated from END and Zeref witnessed it? It explains everything. Igneel fought full powered END and separated them into evil and light(Kid Natsu) and Zeref witnessed it.




I have been saying that END is a demon created from a human and Zeref's magic so all of these points are irrelevant. There is nothing that suggests that Mard Geers knows everything about END. Only people who knows everything are Zeref and Igneel and both of them kinda gave hints which suggests that END is Natsu.

I already pointed out the major flaw of that theory in the previous discussion thread, but I had to close it because the new chapter was out and couldn't reply.

The hints you talk about for your theory are, as I said, extremely confusing, contradictory, vague and very ambiguous and as a result can be interpreted in a multitude of ways, but you act like they are simple, straightforward statements that have only one, clear interpretation. So yes you are interpreting what you want to see as yes you can easily make a dozen theories about these hints. I just sucked one out of my thumb on the spot, that I got the genders wrong is irrelevant as you can make scenario after scenario because of the simple fact that the info is so vague and as a result open to hell of a lot of interpretation.

We now pathetically little about this matter and we know zero to nothing about what happened 400 years ago, which is vital to understanding this all.

I mean you talk about it being two sides of the same coin, but that's not true. You are reasoning in circles. You assume that Natsu has to be END and then you start seeing all these hints that way, disregarding the many other options. You even contradict yourself as Zeref said something that it END or Natsu could meet him, not both. That is a big flaw in this theory as why the division? Zeref says that Natsu is the only one that can beat him and he said Natsu isn't up to the task yet, but then lets him have a contest with his strongest demon? If they were one, why the division? Natsu should then be ridiculously powerful if they would be one entity with END, so it would be in Zeref's best interest if he wants to kick the bucket to make them join together. No instead he is seemingly trying to cause a rift. This is the exact opposite of two sides of the same coin as one side has to be removed, which is not possible for a coin. This is what I mean with that this hints are so vague, ambiguous and contradictory. You can make everything and nothing out of it, in fact they don't make any sense, but you keep having that narrow minded vision of that END has to be Natsu.

This ambiguity of the shallow info given even reflects in your reasoning. Natsu being END is not the most logical theory based on these hints, it's the opposite. We have so little info that is so vague and ambiguous, we can interpret it in so many ways that it's almost pointless to find something in it that make sense. The only factors that we have are Zeref, Natsu and END. Natsu being END is not the most logical theory, END and Natsu are simply the only solid factors that remain as this hints of yours are as useless as they can get and thus do not point at Natsu being END.

I mean you are even yourself randomly guessing things simply to make that theory fit, then you should also be very well aware that that pretty much applies to your entire theory.

 

[Acnologia..]

Best part's of this arc where Zeref appearing, Igneel vs Acnologia and Grey's devil slayer magic, a great ending to the tartarus arc, can't wait to see what the next arc's going to be about. .

 

[V h o]

Interesting so they were dead all along, by archnolgia dragon slaying magic no less. So can archnolgia use dragon slaying magic as a dragon? Figured he was using some dragon magic all along. Nice chapter 5/5. Wonder when lumen histoire will be unleashed. I still assume that it is mavis being revived. Maybe she will fight Zeref.

 

[TheGrandSage23]

Best arc in the series..

Very emotional chapter and relevations 5/5

So it seems Acno can take their souls away from their bodies and since leaving their respective DS' bodies they're dead actual bodies and spirits are dead

 

[Caliburn]

Interesting so they were dead all along, by archnolgia dragon slaying magic no less. So can archnolgia use dragon slaying magic as a dragon? Figured he was using some dragon magic all along. Nice chapter 5/5. Wonder when lumen histoire will be unleashed. I still assume that it is mavis being revived. Maybe she will fight Zeref.

I think you shouldn't see Dragon Slaying Magic and Dragon Magic as two separate things. I reckon the difference between them is artificial and in essence they are both the exact same thing. I mean all the dragon slayers learned their magic from dragons, so by default all dragons should know 'dragon slaying magic' as how else could they teach it?

In the very first chapter Happy also described Natsu's magic as a magic that transforms your body into the constitution of a dragon (dragon lungs, dragon scales, dragon breath etc.). So simply said all dragon slayers use dragon magic, the exact same type of magic all the dragons use. They just call it dragon slaying magic as they're humans who have learned a magic that can harm dragons. It's the principle of fighting poison with poison. To take down a dragon, you need another dragon. I mean you could clearly see how much damage Acnologia and Igneel did to each other.

That dragon slayers eventually (apparently) transform into dragons because of that magic, pretty much underlines that too. So dragon slaying magic = dragon magic, the perception is just different.

Best arc in the series..

Very emotional chapter and relevations 5/5

So it seems Acno can take their souls away from their bodies and since leaving their respective DS' bodies they're dead actual bodies and spirits are dead

I'm not really sure we should take that literally as in that he was able to physically remove their souls from their bodies. Personally I think it was an euphemism for him simply having killed or mortally wounded them. Wendy has already showed she can resurrect (temporary) the spirits of deceased beings, a skill that was unique to Grandeene based on Zirconis reaction. As she is the original user, and a dragon, I wouldn't be surprised if her mastering of that tech is a few levels above that of Wendy. So that she was the one who resurrected the souls of all the dragons after they got killed/mortally wounded by Acnologia.

It's always possible that Acnologia has a similar ability that allow him to separate soul and body, but that doesn't really suit his character.

 

[Kwajo]

Can't say that I felt anything towards a half dead dragon dying (again?).

Is this arc done? Hopefully the next will be much better than this one, then again I shouldn't set high expectations Lol

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Next chapter is last chapter of this arc.

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[Erebus]

Wow... kind of kills the dying impact, which didn't hold much in the first place considering the fact that he was pitted against Acnologia.

This arc was good, probably the best so far, though it could have been better :O, I'm looking forward to how everything will progress from now on with the council dead and stuff, we'll probably be seeing more of Zeref from now on, i wonder if that's a good thing...

 

[Brian Griffin]

I think the dragons just faked their death again by altering memories,again...

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So no dead bodies,to make dragon slayers stronger

 

[Scorps]

It was as I feared. By introducing the dragons, Hiro faced a plot issue: the dragons know it all and as such they were in a position that, if they stayed, they would actually reveal all the information about END, Zeref, Natsu, etc. By introducing them physically into a direct interaction with the main characters, he risked shortening the main plot sverely. Part of that plot is to get the answers. Having access to those that have the answers would negate that journey. So, to fix that and prevent it from happening, the dragons couldn't stay for long. They needed to have a temporary stay.

I'm saddened in a sense as I wanted to see more of their interaction with the humans and to learn more about them. I'd prefer if they actually stayed but simply said "well, we know little about all this..." and were ignorant of most of it. He chose a plot root that its bitter sweet. All of those Dragons were powerless to defeat Acnologia. To the point where the most they could do was to hide inside their humans to prevent them from transforming into dragons. The power scale was now raised very very high for acnologia.

I both loath and understand the plot twist of the last chapters. Hiro preversed the plot journey to find the answers but did so at the cost of exploring the most interesting and mysterious characters in the series. A bold and risky move.

 

[Soloist]

Achnologia must have had some OP dragon slayer magic
Last chapter of this arc coming out next week I wonder how damaged the fairy tail wizards will be after the ass whooping Tartaros gave em, losing their guildhall and for some people losing their family (natsu and gray).
I think dragons are extinct now apart from achnologia the first main aim of the series has been achieved the next aim is zeref end and achnologia.

 

[jasonb101588]

Emotional chapter. Though next week will be the last chapter of the Tartarus Arc, there's a big question that keeps me scratching my head: where were Jellal, Meredy and the Oracion Seis this whole time?! I also somehow believe that this won't be the last of E.N.D., just that he won't get out of the seal for awhile. More importantly: where do they go from there? I mean, all of the Dark Guilds that are part of the Balam Alliance are pretty much wiped out, but at the same time, I can see Fairy Tail go for 2-3 more arcs for these reasons:

1) Zeref and E.N.D.
2) Acnologia
3) Frosch dying a year in the future: will this happen in the current timeline?
4) Four Strongest Wizard Saints
5) Will Yukino reunite with Sorano aka Angel of the Oracion Seis?

Only time will tell.