[Predictions] Fairy Tail Manga Chapter 411 Discussion and 412 Predictions

[UCE]

For the record; when i saw gray falling down saying "belive in natsu" i was getting dissapointed. i didn't want natsu taking this fight alone.

 

[Soloist]

GAWDDAMM natsu willing dragonforce like stinge and rogue except his his waaaaaaaay badass that demon force or whatever u wanna call it made my day at first I thought he got burnt so I was like dafuq does this mean gray now has magic and curse together or is he now like a hybrid demon and natsu using Phoenix flame blade again mard geer dead noooooooooo but face activated which means we might get to see END soon oh yeah and Mavis. So let me get his straight dragon force turns your body into that of a dragons and demon force turns your body into that of a demon? Am I right assuming if whatever gray did is called demon force I seriously cannot wait for this arc to get animated the chapter was awesome hope we get to see more igneel vs achnologia

 

[Cabbage]

3/5.
I didn't like it much. It was typical FT fight to be precise.

Pretty much agree with this, hopefully the END fight will be a bit more interesting to say the least.

 

[Soloist]

How the hell did they get under the ground so quick

 

[Kiiszame]

A little plot if you ask me.
How can Gray live through that because he is a demon?
Maybe his move doesn't effect demons I guess.

Either way dragon force and demon slaying is just beast.
Too bad end will be released.

Maybe E.N.D will kill agnocoliga and igneel since they won't have any magic.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Am I alowed to continue debate from last chapter thread here?

On topic: 2/5

While Tag team is great, fight was bad. Really Gray and Natsu defeated strongest demon. What happened with that non existence technique Mard used last time? I give it 2 only because Gray was one who finished Mard and not Natsu. Cool to see "I count on you Natsu" and "I count on you Gray". And chapter was short for FT standards.

 

[V h o]

I was expecting a PoF moment but Natsu getting dragon force made it more believable, although I'm really impressed by Grey's demon form and his ice demon powers. 5/5 chapter, although I wanted to see more of Laxus, Evergreen, and Freid. I just know Mavis is going to troll Face Lol

 

[sravan]

best & great chapter for me.
natsu's dragon force
gray's new techs and turning into demon(it was the best look i have seen from gray,now he joined my favs)
best arc & best villain of FT(mardgeer)

hope gildarts will make an entrance,jellal & laxus need to show more.
fairytail and bleach are becoming great these days(present arc)

 

[Caliburn]

A little plot if you ask me.
How can Gray live through that because he is a demon?
Maybe his move doesn't effect demons I guess.

Either way dragon force and demon slaying is just beast.
Too bad end will be released.

Maybe E.N.D will kill agnocoliga and igneel since they won't have any magic.

Am I alowed to continue debate from last chapter thread here?

On topic: 2/5

While Tag team is great, fight was bad. Really Gray and Natsu defeated strongest demon. What happened with that non existence technique Mard used last time? I give it 2 only because Gray was one who finished Mard and not Natsu. Cool to see "I count on you Natsu" and "I count on you Gray". And chapter was short for FT standards.

Natsu is the Fire Dragon Slayer. He can consume flames, including the flames of dragons as he was eating up Atlas Flame.

Acnologia was likewise a dragon slayer, but he got too immersed into it all and transformed into a complete dragon himself. All the way at the start of the series Happy also described dragon slaying magic as that it transforms a human body into a body that has the constitution of a dragon.

So if you then draw a parallel with demon slayers, well then it should be possible for them to absorb demon attacks and when they have absorbed too much, they start to become demons themselves.

 

[Zee Seh]

^ But Natsu can only consume similar kind of magic, Only Fire, not any other type, I'm sure Demons also use a variety of Curses .

 

[fiend]

^ But Natsu can only consume similar kind of magic, Only Fire, not any other type, I'm sure Demons also use a variety of Curses .

I think Grey didn't consume the curse but transformed himself into a half demon which made it impervious to it, probably memento mori doesn't work on demons like it works on humans.

 

[Zee Seh]

I think Grey didn't consume the curse but transformed himself into a half demon which made it impervious to it, probably memento mori doesn't work on demons like it works on humans.

he(Mard geer) made this curse to kill Zeref, that means zeref itself isnt demon or somethin ?

 

[fiend]

he(Mard geer) made this curse to kill Zeref, that means zeref itself isnt demon or somethin ?

Zeref till now is shown to be human who is a master of black arts because of which he can create powerful demons.

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Natsu is the Fire Dragon Slayer. He can consume flames, including the flames of dragons as he was eating up Atlas Flame.

Acnologia was likewise a dragon slayer, but he got too immersed into it all and transformed into a complete dragon himself. All the way at the start of the series Happy also described dragon slaying magic as that it transforms a human body into a body that has the constitution of a dragon.

So if you then draw a parallel with demon slayers, well then it should be possible for them to absorb demon attacks and when they have absorbed too much, they start to become demons themselves.

That's interesting thing, Caliburn, but there is a problem.

Natsu can only eat Fire (any type except for his own flames) and can eat other types of Dragon Slayer magic (like Laxus' but with some side effects)... On the other hand he can't eat Erza's armor, Gray's Ice or anything similar, because if he can, I'm sure he would do that. Atlas is Fire Dragon and therefore he could eat that.

If there is similar case with Gray, than he would be able to eat Ice (any type, except for his own Ice), and other types of Devil Slayer magic, he would be also able to eat Ice coming from Demon (like Atlas' magic, Natsu consumed), but he wouldn't be able to eat Memento Mori, since it was Ice's magic.

Also if Natsu can eat Dragon's magic except for Fire, he would be able to eat magic of other Dragons that were around. And final thing is that when Natsu eat Flames, or some other type of magic, he got stronger, but (assumption that Gray ate MM) when Gray ate MM he actually didn't get stronger, which is ultimate argument going against that.

 

[JustSomeRandomNinja]

Dragon Force Natsu and Demon Grey. nuff said

 

[Caliburn]

^ But Natsu can only consume similar kind of magic, Only Fire, not any other type, I'm sure Demons also use a variety of Curses .

That's interesting thing, Caliburn, but there is a problem.

Natsu can only eat Fire (any type except for his own flames) and can eat other types of Dragon Slayer magic (like Laxus' but with some side effects)... On the other hand he can't eat Erza's armor, Gray's Ice or anything similar, because if he can, I'm sure he would do that. Atlas is Fire Dragon and therefore he could eat that.

If there is similar case with Gray, than he would be able to eat Ice (any type, except for his own Ice), and other types of Devil Slayer magic, he would be also able to eat Ice coming from Demon (like Atlas' magic, Natsu consumed), but he wouldn't be able to eat Memento Mori, since it was Ice's magic.

Also if Natsu can eat Dragon's magic except for Fire, he would be able to eat magic of other Dragons that were around. And final thing is that when Natsu eat Flames, or some other type of magic, he got stronger, but (assumption that Gray ate MM) when Gray ate MM he actually didn't get stronger, which is ultimate argument going against that.

Gajeel devoured shadows, Natsu devoured lightning, which they now are using like it's theirs without these side effects you talk about. Neither of those skills are particularly related to one another. The point is that them only being able to eat specifically their own element, is not true. That doesn't mean they suddenly can start eating everything they want, something I neither said nor implied, but it does show that their ability to eat stuff is broader than just their element.

So that Gray somehow absorbed MG curse, despite it not being ice related, is within the realm of possibilities.

Also Natsu once ate Laxus lightning and was sick for weeks. Then when he absorbed it later one, he is fine with it. So it can change.

Adding to that Gray just blasted an attack right through MG, so whether he now became stronger or not is very debatable. So that ultimate argument is very brittle, even more so when you take into consideration that I used Acnologia's case as an example. We know barely anything about how he was before he became a dragon, but I doubt he was as he is now. So there is nothing we know about the process of transforming from a dragon slayer to a dragon. So if Gray reached a stage of demonification that Natsu so far never reached during the process of becoming a dragon, well then you can't say for sure that it means he becomes stronger in that phase. For instance it's in theory possible that you become weaker during that phase as your try to fight the process of transforming, which is probably not just a physical, but also a mental transformation.

Lastly you contradict yourself. First you are talking about how absorbing magic that isn't inherent to an element, causes side effects. Then you say that as the ultimate argument that you are supposed to become stronger when absorbing something. Well then you can easily say that Gray absorbed the curse magic as he is a demon slayer and thus connected, but that it didn't had the power up effect because it's not his element.

And is there a particular reason you find it necessary to bold my name?

 

[Forbidden Tale]

Gajeel devoured shadows, Natsu devoured lightning, which they now are using like it's theirs without these side effects you talk about. Neither of those skills are particularly related to one another. The point is that them only being able to eat specifically their own element, is not true. That doesn't mean they suddenly can start eating everything they want, something I neither said nor implied, but it does show that their ability to eat stuff is broader than just their element.

I probably should elaborate what I was talking about more, because it seems to confuse you. While they were able to eat it, some of side effects were showed at least earlier in the series (Natsu trying to eat Laxus' lightning, and if I remember correctly he had problem after he ate Lacrima). We don't know did Gajeel tried eating other element before (it's possible that he tried and also had side effectes).

If anything this would further my argument here. Since Gray should have side effects at the first.

So that Gray somehow absorbed MG curse, despite it not being ice related, is within the realm of possibilities.

Yeah, I was affraid that it will come to this, I was thinking to edit a comment, but okay I will elaborate now. Natsu can eat Fire, Dragon Slayer Magic. Also when I referred to Gray's ice in last post I was referring to his Ice Make magic and not Devil Slayer Magic.

I will try to rewrite Gray's case from last post:

If there is similar case with Gray, than he would be able to eat Ice (any type, except for his own Devil Slayer Ice), and other types of Devil Slayer magic, he would be also able to eat Ice coming from Demon (like Atlas' magic, Natsu consumed), but he wouldn't be able to eat Memento Mori, since it wasn't Ice's magic.

Like I said MM is not Ice and it's not Slayer Magic, either

Adding to that Gray just blasted an attack right through MG, so whether he now became stronger or not is very debatable.

Every time Natsu or other slayer ate other magic, they got stronger the same moment. Gray first fell down and barely was able to stand up.

So that ultimate argument is very brittle, even more so when you take into consideration that I used Acnologia's case as an example. We know barely anything about how he was before he became a dragon, but I doubt he was as he is now. So there is nothing we know about the process of transforming from a dragon slayer to a dragon.

As long as I remember he became Dragon because he took a bath in Dragon's blood. (A lot of baths)

Even if that's not true it still likely was long process, Gray got Slayer Magic just 1 hour ago.

So if Gray reached a stage of demonification that Natsu so far never reached during the process of becoming a dragon, well then you can't say for sure that it means he becomes stronger in that phase. For instance it's in theory possible that you become weaker during that phase as your try to fight the process of transforming, which is probably not just a physical, but also a mental transformation.

While I agree with about mental change and fighting against transforamtion. I still can't see how will Gray become Demon that fast.

Just re reading a chapter, and Mard implied that Gray blocked magic instead of eating it, which mean he become demon before MM hit them. Demons being immune to MM? Possible, but I really doubt that.

Lastly you contradict yourself. First you are talking about how absorbing magic that isn't inherent to an element, causes side effects. Then you say that as the ultimate argument that you are supposed to become stronger when absorbing something. Well then you can easily say that Gray absorbed the curse magic as he is a demon slayer and thus connected, but that it didn't had the power up effect because it's not his element.

I explained that "contradiction" above.

And is there a particular reason you find it necessary to bold my name?

It bothers you? First time see someone being bothered by it. Just my way to show respect to other members, tho, sorry Caliburn.