ezequielosses (MS Kakashi) vs NSUNSR (MS Obito)

[EZQ]

Thanks for posting the veredict man. This thread was dying

 

[EZQ]

Come on judges

 

[Unorthodox]

What was my first post again

Obito is stronger but Nuns will lose like i said

 

[Zexion~]

Will judge soon

 

[NSUNSR]

NSUNSR

PROS- In your opener i like how you stated ways Kakashi would fight Obito and countered them right away instead of posting a bias opener with scenario's that fit perfectly for Obito.

I like how you proved that Obito can keep up with Kakashi in cqc you did well on proving that point.

You also Made good use of Obito's abilities and how they would work against Kakashi Raition techs.

You also countered the Doton wall plus clone argument very well as how Obito would slip through the wall once Kakashi makes it since there wouldn't be any clones in the Kamui dimension.

CONS- You kept claiming Obito can use Chakra rods when in-fact he can't because that was a pipe he stabbed Konan with not a chakra rod.

You also kept saying Obito can use Spiked Mokuton without Zetsu but you never went into detail on that at all.(With the exception of Juubi which we can't accurately say it did or didn't help Obito preform this feat)

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Ezequielosses

PROS- You came up with many strategies for Kakashi to utilize while fighting against Obito and approached each of them in decent ways.

You completely debunked Obito speed against Minato argument.

You explained went into a good explanation on why/how Kakashi won't be running out of stamina/chakra here.

You explained in great Detail how Obito won't be able to stop Kamui snipe on a smaller target seeing as he couldn't even tell what happened to Naruto's Rasengan/Clone.

You called him out on his Spiky Mokuton without Zetsu claims and he still didn't back what he said up either.

CONS- You claimed that Kakashi raition clones are faster than the average clones and didn't show any proof of this.

Using Kakashi getting one over on a beaten chakra drained Sasuke didn't help your claim at all.

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/SPOILER]​

Winner​

Spoiler

Ezequielosses wins imo. NUNS argument relied heavily on chakra rods and spiked Mokuton feats. I did my research and found out that it wasn't even a rod he put through Konans back. He never used spiked mokuton feats without the aid of something or someone else. NUNS overall had better arguments and used strategies well.

Thank you for judging. Where did you get the information about the pipe. Juubi might have helped Obito, but it it is still a fact, that Obito used wooden spikes through it. While yes, he probably can't create hundreds of them, that doesn't meant, that he can't use a few.

What was my first post again

Obito is stronger but Nuns will lose like i said

1.I still haven't lost.

2.A character being stronger than another character, doesn't necessarily mean, that the stronger character will win in the battle.

3.You didn't even read my arguments, so you can't mock me for them.

4.You can't debate for shit. Even when using Sasuke.

5.EQ is a good opponent.

You may now leave this thread. :lol

 

[Unorthodox]

1.I still haven't lost.

Yes you clearly lost

2.A character being stronger than another character, doesn't necessarily mean, that the stronger character will win in the battle.

In vs thread it actually does but if he does not you would still lose.

3.You didn't even read my arguments, so you can't mock me for them.

No one never mocked your debating skills just said you would lose and what i said happened to be true.

4.You can't debate for shit. Even when using Sasuke.

LMFAO he wrong Lol. YOUR the only guy who lost to tre mercer! you SUCK

5.EQ is a good opponent.

Not good enough

You may now leave this thread. :lol[/QUOTE]

 

[Lord Tywin]

Unorthodox is a savage. Debate me plz?

 

[Unorthodox]

Unorthodox is a savage. Debate me plz?

I'll think about but first i need to know if your a somebody because i do not debate nobodies

 

[Lord Tywin]

I'll think about but first i need to know if your a somebody because i do not debate nobodies

And yet yo sent a friend request to this nobody

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[Unorthodox]

And yet yo sent a friend request to this nobody

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LMAO do not expose me like LMAO

 

[Lord Tywin]

LMAO do not expose me like LMAO

You called me out bro u_u
But not sure if you know that I'm that Kratos guy.

 

[Unorthodox]

You called me out bro u_u
But not sure if you know that I'm that Kratos guy.

See i know Kratos i would not have said that about chu yea i wanna beat cho ass anyway i accept your debate

 

[Lord Tywin]

See i know Kratos i would not have said that about chu yea i wanna beat cho ass anyway i accept your debate

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I'm ready when you are.

 

[Unorthodox]

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I'm ready when you are.

Im ready now phuck witcha boy

 

[EZQ]

Will judge soon

Kay take ur time Zex

Thank you for judging. Where did you get the information about the pipe. Juubi might have helped Obito, but it it is still a fact, that Obito used wooden spikes through it. While yes, he probably can't create hundreds of them, that doesn't meant, that he can't use a few.



1.I still haven't lost.

2.A character being stronger than another character, doesn't necessarily mean, that the stronger character will win in the battle.

3.You didn't even read my arguments, so you can't mock me for them.

4.You can't debate for shit. Even when using Sasuke.

5.EQ is a good opponent.

You may now leave this thread. :lol

Don't bother replying to him my man. This was a good debate

 

[Zexion~]

Okay firstly, I don't know why you two were arguing speed feats so damn much and reactions when they literally went at it in CQC in canon with practicly no overlying circumstances .-. I don't think I saw one feat pulled from there to back up you guys's "CQC" debate. This is also a terrible matchup to use, one combatant loses their strongest ability and leaves them with basically nothing, while the other retains his for defensive oppurtunities.


NSUNR- You spent way too much effort trying to prove Obito's reactions and speed...yet again Kakashi has canonly combatted Obito hell theres even some feats in that battle that would have helped your cause but you did ....not...post...them. Either way Kakashi was showing he was more than capable of dealing with Obito in speed and reactions.

Also don't know why you didn't just have Obito teleport himself to the dimmension to counteract Kakashi's strategy of trying to catch him when he goes intangable.

You also relied heavily on Mokuton, which is futile as Raikiri slices through any larger variants such as the one you spent hours on trying to prove its speed (the one used on Naruto) and Kamui/Earth wall counters the one used against Fodder Shinobi but ultimately I felt Ezq, had me leanign more towards the fact that Zetsu bolstered his mokuton skills.

Then you tried using Katon as a supreme force, when in canon Kakashi has already shown to Kamui a large explosion in Deidara's explosion clone in seconds and that was Kakashi with starter Kamui however Ezq didn't use that route and decided to try and avoid/counter it which he did relatively succesfully.

Honestly you forgot to make any move on how to finish Kakashi after your first post was mostly debunked you kept arguing futile claims and pointless strategies, in which you're lucky Ezq didn't just post canon feats of Kakashi dealign with most of them.




Ezq- You had the fricking advantage by a long shot and you negltected to use Kamui for mostly anything .-. Idk if this was a pact you guys decided on but seriously ALL of NSUNR's ways to take down Kakashi can easily be countered by Kamui but I don't think you stated that even once and you posted practically no scans of Kakashi dealing with Obito's CQC speed IN FREAKING CANON but instead tried having a comparitive debate by posting all of Kakashi's feats which was not even in the slightest neccesary as both of you succumbed into debating those feats when they didn't even matter.

You're hiding like a mole strategy was overplayed and needed two scans

-Deidara used it to escape while Kakashi was present



-Itachi stated that he didn't see Kakashi only the clone

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AKA couldn't see his chakra underground. Honestly this scan was needed and you would have won that argument entirely.

But its going to create vibrations underneath the opponenet hence how people react.

Also Kakashi already canonly used clones while underground in that same instance.

You too didn't really make a defining argument on how Kakashi beats Obito.

Summary/Verdict- Basically you both just made statements in your openers than sat there arguing over them the entire debate, now this may be acceptable if the statements made were even viable but you guys made this debate something completely pointless. Ezq you let NSUNR turn this into a shit CQC debate when you have the clear advantage with Kamui, and like I said none of you posted canon feats of this matchup which was appaling.

Spoiler

Winner:Ezq

ONLY because he had a winning formula laid out in the beginning with his clone waiting for Obito to go intangable, and that I believe he could use a clone without Obito noticing. The arguments of trying to deny each other the use of feats despite the clash of their reactions and speed already being layed out in the manga, and using futile offensive strategies which could have been easily negated with Kamui BUT WASN'T made this a not very enjoyable debate to read.

NSUNR You were screwed from the start, and your main argument was debunked by the fact that Kakashi alreay topped Obito in CQC in the manga, or at least was capable of going toe to toe with him, and since he has a way to victory with the clone while Obito does not you were bound to lose, even still would have liked to see more creative arguments.

 

[Passerby]

While you're at it why do you guys debate Hebi Sasuke vs MS Itachi? Sasuke won but Itachi let him win same as the fight with Obito and Kakashi...

 

[Lord Tywin]

Inb4 Unorthodox

 

[EZQ]

Okay firstly, I don't know why you two were arguing speed feats so damn much and reactions when they literally went at it in CQC in canon with practicly no overlying circumstances .-. I don't think I saw one feat pulled from there to back up you guys's "CQC" debate. This is also a terrible matchup to use, one combatant loses their strongest ability and leaves them with basically nothing, while the other retains his for defensive oppurtunities.


NSUNR- You spent way too much effort trying to prove Obito's reactions and speed...yet again Kakashi has canonly combatted Obito hell theres even some feats in that battle that would have helped your cause but you did ....not...post...them. Either way Kakashi was showing he was more than capable of dealing with Obito in speed and reactions.

Also don't know why you didn't just have Obito teleport himself to the dimmension to counteract Kakashi's strategy of trying to catch him when he goes intangable.

You also relied heavily on Mokuton, which is futile as Raikiri slices through any larger variants such as the one you spent hours on trying to prove its speed (the one used on Naruto) and Kamui/Earth wall counters the one used against Fodder Shinobi but ultimately I felt Ezq, had me leanign more towards the fact that Zetsu bolstered his mokuton skills.

Then you tried using Katon as a supreme force, when in canon Kakashi has already shown to Kamui a large explosion in Deidara's explosion clone in seconds and that was Kakashi with starter Kamui however Ezq didn't use that route and decided to try and avoid/counter it which he did relatively succesfully.

Honestly you forgot to make any move on how to finish Kakashi after your first post was mostly debunked you kept arguing futile claims and pointless strategies, in which you're lucky Ezq didn't just post canon feats of Kakashi dealign with most of them.




Ezq- You had the fricking advantage by a long shot and you negltected to use Kamui for mostly anything .-. Idk if this was a pact you guys decided on but seriously ALL of NSUNR's ways to take down Kakashi can easily be countered by Kamui but I don't think you stated that even once and you posted practically no scans of Kakashi dealing with Obito's CQC speed IN FREAKING CANON but instead tried having a comparitive debate by posting all of Kakashi's feats which was not even in the slightest neccesary as both of you succumbed into debating those feats when they didn't even matter.

You're hiding like a mole strategy was overplayed and needed two scans

-Deidara used it to escape while Kakashi was present



-Itachi stated that he didn't see Kakashi only the clone

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AKA couldn't see his chakra underground. Honestly this scan was needed and you would have won that argument entirely.

But its going to create vibrations underneath the opponenet hence how people react.

Also Kakashi already canonly used clones while underground in that same instance.

You too didn't really make a defining argument on how Kakashi beats Obito.

Summary/Verdict- Basically you both just made statements in your openers than sat there arguing over them the entire debate, now this may be acceptable if the statements made were even viable but you guys made this debate something completely pointless. Ezq you let NSUNR turn this into a shit CQC debate when you have the clear advantage with Kamui, and like I said none of you posted canon feats of this matchup which was appaling.

Spoiler

Winner:Ezq

ONLY because he had a winning formula laid out in the beginning with his clone waiting for Obito to go intangable, and that I believe he could use a clone without Obito noticing. The arguments of trying to deny each other the use of feats despite the clash of their reactions and speed already being layed out in the manga, and using futile offensive strategies which could have been easily negated with Kamui BUT WASN'T made this a not very enjoyable debate to read.

NSUNR You were screwed from the start, and your main argument was debunked by the fact that Kakashi alreay topped Obito in CQC in the manga, or at least was capable of going toe to toe with him, and since he has a way to victory with the clone while Obito does not you were bound to lose, even still would have liked to see more creative arguments.

My boy zex. The cannon fight between Kakasih and Obito had too many outside factors, overall the ones screwing Obito. So it shoiuldn't be taken on a 1v1 debate. That fight proved nothing because: Obito was exhausted, Kakashi was holding back at the beggining, and there's a chance Obito let Kakashi win.

That's why we didn't use the canon fight here. Both me and nsunsr were trying to prove why Obito or Kakashi would win ignoring what happened in canon, because it was a handicaped fight.

I did refer to Itachi not seeing kakashi underground, hence sharingan can't see trough hiding like a mole. I think you skept that part. And i don't understand why you say Kakashi's advantage is kamui where:
1-Kakashi can't spam kamui a lot
2-Obito can't be warped away with kamui
3-Kamui is only useful to send the clone to the other dimension or warp any attack Obito makes from close distance (as i already stated)

Thanks for the veredict. 2 of 2 i think i'm the winner.

Kakashi > Obito

 

[Unorthodox]

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