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hashirama is the only exception.
other than that. eyes
other than that. eyes
Madara is pretty much Tobirama's level without his EMS<< for which you can bring in a bijuu for body. Since EMS is attained via someone else's eye.Eyes: Made Madara the Solo god & Itachi the Solo king. You can even have the Shinigami eyes & your more OP.
Though body is nerfed 24/7 in the manga to wank on the eye.. rofl. Kishimoto has to shit on his own development of laws to make eyes look cool.Eyes cuz they rape your fave without needing assitance.
Body needs 24/7 handout(s) and plot shields to barely win a fight.
Eyes: Made Madara the Solo god & Itachi the Solo king. You can even have the Shinigami eyes & your more OP.
bijuu aren't body since they are only masses of chakra
Bijuu is part of jin...in a way I assume, but even without the bijuu's ashura was considered to still be the body but only cuz of avatar I believe.
So I stand corrected, without plot (which genjutsu stops the eyes from winning easily) its tie.
So Bijuu > Eyes too...?
But when the bijuu is in a jinchuriki, they cant be caught in a genjutsu, only the jin can and even then the bijuu can break them out of it. With plot, its tie. Without plot... im kinda leaning towards body tbh. The potential is honestly endless.
Madara is pretty much Tobirama's level without his EMS<< for which you can bring in a bijuu for body. Since EMS is attained via someone else's eye.
Though body is nerfed 24/7 in the manga to wank on the eye.. rofl. Kishimoto has to shit on his own development of laws to make eyes look cool.
Madara is close to Tobirame level? Even whit out EMS, Tsukuyomi Will one shot Tobirama. Even before Madara obtain EMS Tobirama didn't even dare to fight him. He was hiding behind that wood.
The same, they are compliments to each other and strong on their own. They are equal even though fanboys will say eye's are more powerful.
Obito neg diff kushina nine tailed fox inside with just 3tomoe, sauce looked inside naruto and nerfed the fox chakra and I'm pretty sure he could just look inside and genjutsu all them with a glance again, and obito negg diff the 3 tails.
That shii's overdue. Endless my aaa, genjutsu is just one of many abilities the eyes can use, and the body participants are only thinking its one way eyes can win (including u)
Hehe, body (including bijuu inside) is just a scared cowardly move to escape defeat instead of being a real competitor against eyes. But I respect all opinions much <3
Yet, I disagree. I'd love to say body...cuz Minato obviously mops the floor with bijuu body, but fanboy aside eyes neg diff without plot restriction.
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Tsukuyomi ain't doing shit to Tobirama.. get real. The dude breaks Edo tensei like its a joke.. rofl.
Before Madara obtained EMS, Tobirama was fighting his brother, and also maybe because at that time Tobirama wasn't as strong as him. And if Tobirama was hiding behind the wood.. wasn't Madara wanking on the wood?
Tsukuyomi ain't doing shit to Tobirama.. get real. The dude breaks Edo tensei like its a joke.. rofl.
Before Madara obtained EMS, Tobirama was fighting his brother, and also maybe because at that time Tobirama wasn't as strong as him. And if Tobirama was hiding behind the wood.. wasn't Madara wanking on the wood?
That not a manga fact he can brake out of Tsukuyomi whit intense chakra. But I will give you that.
Madara brother was not in the same level has Madara. Madara even said it. Also Tobirama gotten stronger because he was still alive & well. Madara Was particlely immobilize unable to improve his skills while Tobirama did.
He was wack the wood like a man & Tobirama was hideing behind the wood like a coward.
Nope, Sauce can't do that too jinchuriki that are in control of their bijuu, also your comparing kushina to obito??? really?? worst example ever, i could say that Hashirama > Kid Madara, would that mean Body > Eyes?
No, I'm comparing the eye vs bijuu inside.
Where in the manga states that a person in control can block out an eye user? Wasn't stated once.
This makes no sense, eyes have no chance of beating body, the only real threat was genjutsu, but jins counter that no problem.
No they don't my theory/speculations still stands and your speculation doesn't have any evidence to back it up as I do when Obito looked inside and genjutsu'd the fox. Until you state weather an in controlled jin can block out that then its pretty much confirmed that eyes genjutsu wise > body.
Also rinnegan absorbing neggs the chakra given to make them strong.
Except eyes can't defeat body, taking away the bijuu's from body is unfair though, since the eyes would get stuff like Rinnegan and EMS and all that. If you take away bijuus from body then anything above MS should be taken away since those are basically the same as bijuus. Even then body wins though, examples are SM Naruto and SM Hashirama. SM Hashirama was able to beat EMS Madara and SM Naruto could beat MS Sasuke.
I wasn't even thinking about Minato until you mentioned him lol
But that wouldn't go along with the motif of yin and yang, one can't be stronger than the other.
We are just given the impression that eyes are more powerful because they have very flashy techniques.
Eyes do seem more powerful but only if used correctly. The body seem to have more defensive powers.Moves within the eye powers can nullify and get the upper hand on the body. Example: What is the point of only being able to gain chakra if it gets absorbed. Another...eyes can take your life in an instant with the soul absorption jutsu.
Sure I get what you're saying entirely, but honestly for the sake of plot and the way kishi wanted it he made eyes stronger with jutsu, and body equal to that by making the body win. Which is also known as pnj :3
Eyes aren't the same as the bijuu in that sense. That's like taking away their blood or power. Its a trait not a given thing. EMS isn't required to unlock the rinnegan either.
Its to only stop them from going blind.
Rinnegan well sasuke's is still a mystery, but ashura's chakra is required.
Dude did you just compare sm hashirama to sm naruto? Hashirama shii stomps him and MS Sasuke shii stomps sm naruto. He was able to stalemate full powered naruto rasengan with blind eyes and nearly any chakra. MS Sasuke mid diff him hurt or not. That was confirmed even naruto admitted he couldn't defeat him.
EDIT: Aww...my stuff got mixed in with yours, well just weed it out I'm too lazy to.