[Discussion] Extent of Kabuto's Power.

[Blizzàrd1]

How far can he go to acquire power....

And what was actually in the last coffin??

 

[Lord of Kaos]

Well, seeing as he already absorbed Oro and can summon six dead people (xd), I'd say pretty far. And to add to that, he wants a Zetsu and Yamato. Not as prisoners, but so he can 'research and study' them. To me, that means, taking their DNA and inserting it inside of him in order to have their abilities. Both olny Kishi really knows what gonna happen so I guess we gotta wait to see =/

 

[Hammy120290]

Well in regards to whats in the coffin read here lol -

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[Damon Salvatore]

Kabuto i think is already strong as Oro but i think he could use only couple of Oro 's Jutsus
Maybe in the Last Coffin is Izuna.I think so because he was not scared but angry at Kabuto

 

[Lord of Kaos]

@ totalblind: that was my exact thoughts. It's been said that he and Izuna were the two strongest Uchiha of their time. Maybe Izuna was stronger than his brother but since his brother unlocked his MS first, the clan thought he was the stronger of the two.=/

He might be scared of what Izuna will do to him in battle if Kabuto ever double-crosses him. I'm sure Izuna has some of his own kick-ass MS jutsus up his sleeve that he can use but hasn't shown. And I doubt he really gave his eyes to Madara. I think he stole them tbh.

 

[Hammy120290]

Izuna would be useless in Impure World Ressurection unless he had a Kekkei Genkai that he can use WITHOUT his eyes.

I mean an Uchiha without his eyes vs Madara....kinda an easy battle.

I still think it will be Madara's corpse in the last coffin.

 

[Lord of Kaos]

If it's madara, then how was he fighting Konan?:|

Edit: I read your thread and I see what you mean. It's possible but I don't see it happening but good theory nonetheless.^^

 

[Damon Salvatore]

I agree with Lord of Kaos.Izuna is stronger than Madara but we never saw even Madara use some kind of Jutsus.The thing is is Kabuto able to summon all those powerfull ninja at their power peak?

 

[Lord of Kaos]

I agree with Lord of Kaos.Izuna is stronger than Madara but we never saw even Madara use some kind of Jutsus.The thing is is Kabuto able to summon all those powerfull ninja at their power peak?

Once again, we're on the same page xd. I believe that the way IWR works is that it summons people at their peak, which for Izuna would be before his eyes were taken from him. If Madara is a "shell of himself" like he says and I believe that he could barely beat his brother then (if he could even beat him), how will he possibly beat Kabuto if he has the power of his brother.

@hammy: Madara took Itachi's eyes out but he still had them when Kabuto summoned him.

 

[Hammy120290]

If it's madara, then how was he fighting Konan?:|

Edit: I read your thread and I see what you mean. It's possible but I don't see it happening but good theory nonetheless.^^

Its Madara vs Konan.

Madara with a Zetsu body and not under Zetsus control still has all his techniques etc etc.

And thats why I believe his BODY is dead maybe after the fight with Hashirama Madara knew Zetsu way back then and Zetsu helped Madara escape is dying body to survive?

Here my other thread with other pictures from the Manga of hints that Madara is using a Zetsu Body.

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Also the last coffin being his Body makes the most sense to me as he was angry that Kabuto had found it and scared at the same time.

 

[Hammy120290]

@hammy: Madara took Itachi's eyes out but he still had them when Kabuto summoned him.

ok good point but I cant see them. I dont know why Kabuto would summon Itachi WITHOUT his eyes so I see what you mean but were are they?

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[Damon Salvatore]

Lord of Kaos xd again i haveto agree with you.There is a Problem with Madara.When you think about it-If Madara was strong as when he was at his peak all the other ninjas say he was very strong then why he needed the help of Konan,Nagato,Yahiko that were brats at that time.And why did he needed such powerfull ninjas at first place?If I was strong As Uchiha Madara at his peak i wouldn't need anyone to make my plan?

 

[Hammy120290]

Lord of Kaos xd again i haveto agree with you.There is a Problem with Madara.When you think about it-If Madara was strong as when he was at his peak all the other ninjas say he was very strong then why he needed the help of Konan,Nagato,Yahiko that were brats at that time.And why did he needed such powerfull ninjas at first place?If I was strong As Uchiha Madara at his peak i wouldn't need anyone to make my plan?

Because Madara is a man with a very calculating mind and he is very intelligent.

He needed those "brats" as a safety blanket so he could stay on the sidelines while they done his work for him. He didnt want to reveal himself until it was necessary.

He has used Akatsuki to capture the Bijuu and it was obviously easier to use an mercenary organisation to capture them rather than do it himself because that would just attract too much attention.

I mean as soon as Madara revealed himself at the Kage Summit they formed an alliance with an 80,000 army and 5 nations cooperating to take him down.

If he had done everything himself it was too much risk.

 

[Lord of Kaos]

Its Madara vs Konan.

Madara with a Zetsu body and not under Zetsus control still has all his techniques etc etc.

And thats why I believe his BODY is dead maybe after the fight with Hashirama Madara knew Zetsu way back then and Zetsu helped Madara escape is dying body to survive?

Here my other thread with other pictures from the Manga of hints that Madara is using a Zetsu Body.

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Also the last coffin being his Body makes the most sense to me as he was angry that Kabuto had found it and scared at the same time.

Good points you bring up but the hand thing may have been a editing mistake (I've kishi make quite a few of them like with Pein having a Konoha headband on xd).

ok good point but I cant see them. I dont know why Kabuto would summon Itachi WITHOUT his eyes so I see what you mean but were are they?

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Truthfully put, none of their eyes are exactly shown as it is shaded out to signify their heads are leaning down and their eyes are in shadows so I can pretty much assume they are still there. Otherwise we can say Oro, Deidara, and the rest all have eyes missing then.

Lord of Kaos xd again i haveto agree with you.There is a Problem with Madara.When you think about it-If Madara was strong as when he was at his peak all the other ninjas say he was very strong then why he needed the help of Konan,Nagato,Yahiko that were brats at that time.And why did he needed such powerfull ninjas at first place?If I was strong As Uchiha Madara at his peak i wouldn't need anyone to make my plan?

Exacta lol! If Madara was as strong as everyone claims, he wouldn't have the need for Akatsuki if he can just sneak in and defeat whatever Jinchuuriki and steal their Bijuu, seal them and move to the next one. Then again, if he was as strong as he claims, he wouldn't even need the bijuu since he's only useing them to get back to "full strength" whatever that is. IMO, Madara is nothing incredibly special and Itachi could have beaten him. Itachi easily could have beaten Sasuke, who at this point seems stronger than Madara. >_>

 

[Damon Salvatore]

Because Madara is a man with a very calculating mind and he is very intelligent.

He needed those "brats" as a safety blanket so he could stay on the sidelines while they done his work for him. He didnt want to reveal himself until it was necessary.

He has used Akatsuki to capture the Bijuu and it was obviously easier to use an mercenary organisation to capture them rather than do it himself because that would just attract too much attention.

I mean as soon as Madara revealed himself at the Kage Summit they formed an alliance with an 80,000 army and 5 nations cooperating to take him down.

If he had done everything himself it was too much risk.

At his curent Level he is basicly at this time on the same level as Kabuto.But something about them both seems fishy
EDITon't forget that at first he attacked Konoha ALONE! If he is what you say he is why back then he was alone vs Minato and a Whole village?

 

[Hammy120290]

At his curent Level he is basicly at this time on the same level as Kabuto.But something about them both seems fishy

The fishyness lies in what is or who is Zetsu...imo

 

[Lord of Kaos]

Because Madara is a man with a very calculating mind and he is very intelligent.

He needed those "brats" as a safety blanket so he could stay on the sidelines while they done his work for him. He didnt want to reveal himself until it was necessary.

He has used Akatsuki to capture the Bijuu and it was obviously easier to use an mercenary organisation to capture them rather than do it himself because that would just attract too much attention.

I mean as soon as Madara revealed himself at the Kage Summit they formed an alliance with an 80,000 army and 5 nations cooperating to take him down.

If he had done everything himself it was too much risk.

That's another thing about Madara. I believe he used them not because he was being sneaky and stealth-like by using others to do his dirt work, but fearful of the outcome if he was openly opposed by any Kage at the times. I think, as he said he was a "shell of himself" after the fight with the 1st hokage, he knew that the Kages would have been able to defeat him quite easily if he fought any of them on his own. He has to rely on others skills to defeat the majority of the targets then he can spam his EMS and those space/time abilities that enable him from being hit to win fights like he did with Konan who by all standards isn't incredible herself yet she nearly defeated Madara.:|

Doesn't sound like an Incredible man to me.:|

 

[Damon Salvatore]

That's another thing about Madara. I believe he used them not because he was being sneaky and stealth-like by using others to do his dirt work, but fearful of the outcome if he was openly opposed by any Kage at the times. I think, as he said he was a "shell of himself" after the fight with the 1st hokage, he knew that the Kages would have been able to defeat him quite easily if he fought any of them on his own. He has to rely on others skills to defeat the majority of the targets then he can spam his EMS and those space/time abilities that enable him from being hit to win fights like he did with Konan who by all standards isn't incredible herself yet she nearly defeated Madara.:|

Doesn't sound like an Incredible man to me.:|

My Point exactly Again on the same page xd
Other thing is that Madara changed his tactics like a stated he attacked Konoha alone.Then something changed and he started being all shadowy and stuff.And now when Kabuto is at 75% of becoming strong as Oro idk where the stuff is going

 

[Hammy120290]

those space/time abilities that enable him from being hit to win fights like he did with Konan who by all standards isn't incredible herself yet she nearly defeated Madara.:|

Doesn't sound like an Incredible man to me.:|

But we haven't seen Madara properly go ALL OUT in a fight.

I mean Konan only managed to actually hurt Madara because she worked closely with him studied his techniques and figured out his weakness.

PLUS she had no doubt about a month to make a ground/land mass full of paper to trap him.

Madara vs an opponent who hasnt had a month to prepare or study his techniques BEFORE he got the Rinnegan would have been in a difficult fight.

 

[Lord of Kaos]

But we haven't seen Madara properly go ALL OUT in a fight.

I mean Konan only managed to actually hurt Madara because she worked closely with him studied his techniques and figured out his weakness.

PLUS she had no doubt about a month to make a ground/land mass full of paper to trap him.

Madara vs an opponent who hasnt had a month to prepare or study his techniques BEFORE he got the Rinnegan would have been in a difficult fight.

Then how do you explain Madara Vs. Minato?