[Spoilers] Explination of Tobi Jutsu and how he got hit !

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this actually remined me of the old theories i had when I said Tobi and kahasho's tech was related.

Shout out to me, 5 years in the making.
 

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Sakura said It Best Kamui and his Warp Lead to the Same Place
Great find.

Not to be a **** or anything, but I think it was pretty evident and didn't need explaining. I think you'd be better of making a thread of what is Uchiha Kaenjin. Just my thoughts on the matter.
Lol you have trouble understanding the barrier jutsu? Now THAT was pretty self-explanatory.
 

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Great find.



Lol you have trouble understanding the barrier jutsu? Now THAT was pretty self-explanatory.
Well i found on the wiki the barrier thing

Kanji うちは火炎陣
Rōmaji Uchiha Kaenjin
Literal English Uchiha Flame Battle Encampment

After manifesting small flames on their fingers, the user will then slam their hands on the ground. This produces a four-cornered barrier around whatever the user desires, which burns anything that comes in contact with it.
 

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check this out


and he can only be intangible for 5 mins


But dont forget he still has izanagi!
 
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I don't understand why people are saying Kakashi must be in pain to use Kamui over and over again. He seems pretty well off for using it 3 times in the same battle. I don't know the correct number, but I count, Gezo Mado's head, the Kunai, and the Rasengan. He seems pretty good to me.

Let's not assume his limits until Kakashi tells us that he's at his limit. There is a reason why you would train to increase the number of times you can use your best attack.

Also, why does Kakashi need to use it one more time? He psychologically won this small battle over Tobi. He has demonstrated successfully that hitting Tobi with an attack from another dimension was NOT a fluke and can do it again whenever he needs too. I've said it in another thread as well as some posters here that Tobi is not going to risk getting rocked again. He must adapt to change which means he MUST fight without dematerializing.

So all of this Tobi is now going to win because he knows the trick is nonsense. It's a trick he's powerless to overcome.

Now what WOULD be interesting if he can shadow clone one in the real world and one in the pocket dimension? And if so, he'll still only have that 5 minute clause. But I guess he could alternate. That would put a spin on things wouldn't it.

But overall, this is a brand new battle.
 

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I don't understand why people are saying Kakashi must be in pain to use Kamui over and over again. He seems pretty well off for using it 3 times in the same battle. I don't know the correct number, but I count, Gezo Mado's head, the Kunai, and the Rasengan. He seems pretty good to me.

Let's not assume his limits until Kakashi tells us that he's at his limit. There is a reason why you would train to increase the number of times you can use your best attack.

Also, why does Kakashi need to use it one more time? He psychologically won this small battle over Tobi. He has demonstrated successfully that hitting Tobi with an attack from another dimension was NOT a fluke and can do it again whenever he needs too. I've said it in another thread as well as some posters here that Tobi is not going to risk getting rocked again. He must adapt to change which means he MUST fight without dematerializing.

So all of this Tobi is now going to win because he knows the trick is nonsense. It's a trick he's powerless to overcome.

Now what WOULD be interesting if he can shadow clone one in the real world and one in the pocket dimension? And if so, he'll still only have that 5 minute clause. But I guess he could alternate. That would put a spin on things wouldn't it.

But overall, this is a brand new battle.
 
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I don't understand why people are saying Kakashi must be in pain to use Kamui over and over again. He seems pretty well off for using it 3 times in the same battle. I don't know the correct number, but I count, Gezo Mado's head, the Kunai, and the Rasengan. He seems pretty good to me.

Let's not assume his limits until Kakashi tells us that he's at his limit. There is a reason why you would train to increase the number of times you can use your best attack.

Also, why does Kakashi need to use it one more time? He psychologically won this small battle over Tobi. He has demonstrated successfully that hitting Tobi with an attack from another dimension was NOT a fluke and can do it again whenever he needs too. I've said it in another thread as well as some posters here that Tobi is not going to risk getting rocked again. He must adapt to change which means he MUST fight without dematerializing.

So all of this Tobi is now going to win because he knows the trick is nonsense. It's a trick he's powerless to overcome.

Now what WOULD be interesting if he can shadow clone one in the real world and one in the pocket dimension? And if so, he'll still only have that 5 minute clause. But I guess he could alternate. That would put a spin on things wouldn't it.

But overall, this is a brand new battle.
Kakshi had a panel some chapters ago saying he runs out of chakra and now he used Kamui again and again !

its possible that Kakashi will sacrifice himself to defeat tobi !

Or kishi will trol saying somehow kakashi has chakra from naruto , etc

Sending a shadow clone in the dimension is a good ideea we will see what will happen

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What I dont get it when he becomes intangible how come people can still see him een though he has phased to the other dimension
well its possible that you see only a shell when he phases out... like a spirit...

liek dan ghost transformation you see the spirit but the physical body is somewhere wlse
 

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What I dont get it when he becomes intangible how come people can still see him een though he has phased to the other dimension
It has to be all from Tobi. It's not like he goes invisible. People describing him as a ghost would be a perfect description. I think he chooses to be in that state because he wants to fight and him leaving completely would prevent him from doing so.

This just in...

He can see what's happening in the real world in the "phased" state. If he FULLY went into his pocket dimension, he won't be able to tell what the hell is going on. It's to Tobi's benefit to be in this state.

This could explain why Tobi can only be in this state in 5 minutes because it's unnatural for a body to be on two different dimensions at the same time.
 

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It has to be all from Tobi. It's not like he goes invisible. People describing him as a ghost would be a perfect description. I think he chooses to be in that state because he wants to fight and him leaving completely would prevent him from doing so.

This just in...

He can see what's happening in the real world in the "phased" state. If he FULLY went into his pocket dimension, he won't be able to tell what the hell is going on. It's to Tobi's benefit to be in this state.

This could explain why Tobi can only be in this state in 5 minutes because it's unnatural for a body to be on two different dimensions at the same time.
For a new member you are smart :D also that is why we could say tobi is a ghost that walks in two dimensions
 
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There is only one logical conclusion, Tobi power and Kakashi power in their eyes work on the same principal,how? We know Kakashi got His Sharigan from Obito, so could Tobi be related to Obito if not Obito it self?I have never ben an Obito is Tobi proponent at all, I have railed against such theories in the past, But with Tobi and Kakashi Sharigan powers working on the same principle, I can't help but wonder?
Think of it like this, some MS have to chance to have unique abilities to them while one eye may develop/unlock a technique that a Uchiha forefather may have had or had the potential to unlock. E.g would be Itachi and Sasuke with them both being able to use Ama. but in their other eye are completely different tech. By that logic Tobi and Obito maybe be related through 3 or 4 generations of Uchiha and kaKashi advanced the eye and unlocked the ability that was there.
 

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But it was clear that Tobi had his own Diemision, So why would Kamui lead to that Diemision? Unless the naruto verse has only 1 other existing diemesion, unlike other fictions, where theres mutiple different diemesions....still need help understanding that part

well given the nature of how Kamui works they go thru a portion of space that is unique to it. The reason why tobi is getting hit in that dimension as the op stated is that when you have 2 similar techniques being used in close proximity to each other, their will be an overlap. So instead of just tobi sending body there kakashi is also sending objects there also. Because of their close proxmity.

The reason why i say this, is if we can recall the battle with Diedra that kakashi had when he used Kamui in combat that we saw him send deidras arms into a dimension, now if it was the same dimension that tobi occupied arms and other things should have been appearing there but that was not the case.

Also i have seen others speculate that S/T techs used by Minato and Tobirama go thru the same dimension as Tobi which also i believe is incorrect because one of the nature technique and two when minato escaped from tobi during kushina's flashback we saw him slip away. If he was traversing the same dimension that tobi used i believe that he would have been easily countered there. Its interesting because it touches on the theories of wormhole physics and behaviour even though its still theoritical
 
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