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That's not keeping up with him in speed that is called countering his speed.There's a difference.
Explanation why Rinnegan Obito looked like he can keep up with BM naruto in speed
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That's not keeping up with him in speed that is called countering his speed.There's a difference.
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As long as naruto has reinformances or guardian angels, he can hope have a match against obito in a 1vs1 as proven many times in the manga.
have all the power in the world means nothing when it makes mistakes 24/7 in his battles.
have all the power in the world means nothing when it makes mistakes 24/7 in his battles.
Hello guys I would like to debunk idea about Rinnegan Obito being almost as fast as BM Naruto... which is stupid just from get go. This thread will also allow me explain difference between reaction time and foot speed and that reaction time is MORE IMPORTANT AND KEY FACTOR in compare to foot speed. Let's begin
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Naruto in Nine tails chakra mode had even greater foot speed then Third Raikage... but yet he couldn't not hit him without traps and combinations... He lacked very important and essential supperior Reaction time...
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^^ However He was able to beat Third Raikage in Senin mode and we clearly know that
Nine tails chakra mode's foot speed > Third Raikage's foot speed > SM's foot speed
but SM's reaction time > Third Raikage's reaction time > Nine tails chakra mode's reaction time.
Exactly Supperior Reaction time played essential role in Sennin mode Naruto hitting Third Raikage... even although Raikage had much faster foot speed then he simply still could not attack/react in time to land his attack.
Proof: Reaction Time > Foot speed
Now, let's take a look at Naruto vs Obito battle:
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^^ KCM Naruto had supperior foot speed but yet he could not land his blow on Obito while Obito was easily handling and dealing with him. One attack by one failed against Obito...
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^^ Even although Naruto's speed in Bijuu mode was much more supperior it still was not enough to land blow on Obito... who was still keeping up just fine... Because lack of supperior reaction time..
Kamui + Supperior reaction time was perfect combination to deal with Naruto... and Obito know it well.
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^^ Same things happened here. Obito due to supperior reaction time activated Kamui in time to let Raikage pass through him. Even although Raikage has much supperior foot speed, he still failed to land his blow on Obito... because he lacked supperior reaction time.
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^^ I proved already that Sage mode gives user supperior reaction time...
and we know that BM gives Naruto flash foot speed.
Now if you combine two modes then Naruto is finally able to avoid anything MS Obito/Rinnegan Obito uses on him along with kamui but MS Obito/Rinnegan Obito alone can not land blow on Naruto as Naruto can sense him and react before Obito will react then use his flesh speed to get away of Kamui range to counterattack just moment later and finish Obito before he can activate Kamui.
The Only Problem could be that Obito has also sharingan which gives him precognition ability, so he can predict Naruto's moves which combined with his great reaction time and mastery use of Kamui would be very hard to bypass...
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Even although Minato has great speed much supperior to Obito via FTG(Space time Ninjutsu, I know this is technically not speed but let's say it is mean to move fast), he would be done if not for his supperior reaction time...
Only thanks to his reaction time he was able to use FTG in time to get out of Obito's wrapping ability of Kamui.
Summary:
- To beat Obito's Kamui you need:
- Supperior reaction time which is > Obito's reaction time + Kamui's time activation
- foot speed which is > Obito's foot speed
- Technique which can damage him or even finish him.
[*] BSM Naruto could win against MS/Rinnegan Obito, BM and SM would loose seperately
[*] Reaction time is much more important and deciding factor then Foot speed
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I agree but you have a few things wrong. Naruto has yet to control his speed, his training for KM was incomplete and Yamato clearly said Naruto wasn't as good as Minato at it when Naruto first used his full speed. When Naruto was facing A, his speed was matched to A's speed so that's the most speed he can control and he only went full speed 3x total (Kisame, A and Bijuus) so to say others can keep up with that speed when they haven't fought Naruto when he was using that speed is false. Even in BM, Naruto wasn't using his full speed except when he deflected all the tbbs. Also Naruto made 12 clones so the KM clone that fought the 3rd Raikage was only 1/13th the power Naruto had with him plus Naruto was in intense training before going in the war without rest so it's not like Naruto was ever at full power.
KM Naruto speed was compared to Minato's who was fast enough to mark Obito and BM would logically be even faster. Kishi isn't going to make Naruto speed blitz everyone of else we wouldn't be seeing fights, just ppl getting killed in seconds.
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This is why even naruto can't touch him
Do you forget? Kamui's reaction time allows obito to phase through even attacks he isnt looking at
Sorry but BSM still isnt touching obito, you must be instant.
KM matched v1 Raikage speed and he was telling himself to go faster as they continued (
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), Naruto was moving while A came at him with full speed with the intent to kill and Naruto dodged him point blank (
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). That speed was compared to Minato's FTG (he got the nickname from his FTG)
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.Sasuke and Bee were moving in a linear path towards each other and Sasuke had time to move using his Sharingan to see Bee's movement. Sasuke even said it's not hard to read Bee when he moves in a linear path but as soon a he lands he tells Karin to track Bee. Sasuke can only see him if he's going straight at him is why he told Karin to keep track of him and it was his sharingan that able him to dodge it not his speed.
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Naruto only used his full speed 3x and each time it's compared to Minato's speed:
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.Naruto doesn't have full control over this speed as Yamato said
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so he wasn't using his full speed except for the mentioned links. Naruto seems to match his speed to who he's fighting as he did so far not including Juubito for clear reasons. Naruto only trained fin KM which was incomplete training since he joined the war, never trained for BM or BSM.
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"Negative emotion sensing" is perhaps the gayest ability in all of Naruto.
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Maybe... But remeber that Naruto is still new to Bijuu Sennin mode...
He has yet to master Bijuu mode foot speed.... as he used it very rearly. However he has mastered Senin mode... so it is matter of time when he will master Bijuu Senin mode... and then
with Supperior reaction time granted by SM + Flash foot speed granted by BM + Sensing ability of both modes ...
Obito should really stay on his guard if he want to have any chance...
Also If Chakra arms can be combined with Frog Katas... then his Taijutsu can trump anything shown by others...
Even Rinnegan Obito with mastery over Rinnegan could be in danger...
In short: Bijuu Sennin mode potential is very high... but it is up to Kishi if Naruto lives up potential of Bijuu Sennin mode....
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BSM solo's, yes. U_U Great thread as always
xxSAGExx solo's another fanboy. Hats off to you sir
xxSAGExx solo's another fanboy. Hats off to you sir
Thanks, I think KM has the speed but lacks the needed experiences/training.
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Hello guys I would like to debunk idea about Rinnegan Obito being almost as fast as BM Naruto... which is stupid just from get go. This thread will also allow me explain difference between reaction time and foot speed and that reaction time is MORE IMPORTANT AND KEY FACTOR in compare to foot speed. Let's begin
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Naruto in Nine tails chakra mode had even greater foot speed then Third Raikage... but yet he couldn't not hit him without traps and combinations... He lacked very important and essential supperior Reaction time...
However:
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^^ However He was able to beat Third Raikage in Senin mode and we clearly know that
Nine tails chakra mode's foot speed > Third Raikage's foot speed > SM's foot speed
but SM's reaction time > Third Raikage's reaction time > Nine tails chakra mode's reaction time.
Exactly Supperior Reaction time played essential role in Sennin mode Naruto hitting Third Raikage... even although Raikage had much faster foot speed then he simply still could not attack/react in time to land his attack.
Proof: Reaction Time > Foot speed
Now, let's take a look at Naruto vs Obito battle:
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^^ KCM Naruto had supperior foot speed but yet he could not land his blow on Obito while Obito was easily handling and dealing with him. One attack by one failed against Obito...
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^^ Even although Naruto's speed in Bijuu mode was much more supperior it still was not enough to land blow on Obito... who was still keeping up just fine... Because lack of supperior reaction time..
Kamui + Supperior reaction time was perfect combination to deal with Naruto... and Obito know it well.
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^^ Same things happened here. Obito due to supperior reaction time activated Kamui in time to let Raikage pass through him. Even although Raikage has much supperior foot speed, he still failed to land his blow on Obito... because he lacked supperior reaction time.
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^^ I proved already that Sage mode gives user supperior reaction time...
and we know that BM gives Naruto flash foot speed.
Now if you combine two modes then Naruto is finally able to avoid anything MS Obito/Rinnegan Obito uses on him along with kamui but MS Obito/Rinnegan Obito alone can not land blow on Naruto as Naruto can sense him and react before Obito will react then use his flesh speed to get away of Kamui range to counterattack just moment later and finish Obito before he can activate Kamui.
The Only Problem could be that Obito has also sharingan which gives him precognition ability, so he can predict Naruto's moves which combined with his great reaction time and mastery use of Kamui would be very hard to bypass...
Minato even further prove this with this panel:You must be registered for see images
Even although Minato has great speed much supperior to Obito via FTG(Space time Ninjutsu, I know this is technically not speed but let's say it is mean to move fast), he would be done if not for his supperior reaction time...
Only thanks to his reaction time he was able to use FTG in time to get out of Obito's wrapping ability of Kamui.
Summary:
- To beat Obito's Kamui you need:
- Supperior reaction time which is > Obito's reaction time + Kamui's time activation
- foot speed which is > Obito's foot speed
- Technique which can damage him or even finish him.
[*] BSM Naruto could win against MS/Rinnegan Obito, BM and SM would loose seperately
[*] Reaction time is much more important and deciding factor then Foot speed
Thanks for reading
Please share your thoughts
That's great and all , but Sasuke has a better reaction time
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Thats not always true, it depends. On short distance Naruto is faster, simply becuase Kamui is not instant, it takes some time to teleport. On longer distances Obito is much faster.
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What does that prove? All we see in that panel is A) Sasuke missing his attempt at slashing Obito and B) Sasuke looking at Obito.
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Naruto missed too.
But Sasuke was the first to keep up with Juubito while Naruto was having trouble
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Not really. Did it at the same exact time. Only difference is that Sasuke isn't giving commentary, which isn't in his character.
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True but Sasuke's eyes were focused on Obito's direction ( in the 2 panels he was shown in ) while Naruto's eyes were on the wrong direction in the first panel and in the right direction in the second one.
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Well that's because Naruto can sense his presence. He doesn't need a direct line of sight.
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This just proves my point about Naruto fans being completely biased.
V1 ay casually kept up with naruto, but naruto's faster because he could dodge a guy rushing to him perpendicularly. Yea, Ok. Not even worth trying to dispute this because naruto fans believe what they want.
BTW, FTG is teleportation. It doesn't leave a long trail lmao. For all we know, they were comparing naruto to miato's shushin speed, not his FTG speed. As we know, Minato's FTG is faster than V2 ay, but his shushin is fast enough to dash short distances incredibly fast. Naruto's not as fast or faster than V2 ay because of dodging a punch. You guys just sound stupid for beleive that when he couldn't even outrun V1 ay when given headstarts.