Explanation why Rinnegan Obito looked like he can keep up with BM naruto in speed

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Hello guys I would like to debunk idea about Rinnegan Obito being almost as fast as BM Naruto... which is stupid just from get go. This thread will also allow me explain difference between reaction time and foot speed and that reaction time is MORE IMPORTANT AND KEY FACTOR in compare to foot speed. Let's begin

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Naruto in Nine tails chakra mode had even greater foot speed then Third Raikage... but yet he couldn't not hit him without traps and combinations... He lacked very important and essential supperior Reaction time...

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^^ However He was able to beat Third Raikage in Senin mode and we clearly know that

Nine tails chakra mode's foot speed > Third Raikage's foot speed > SM's foot speed
but SM's reaction time > Third Raikage's reaction time > Nine tails chakra mode's reaction time.

Exactly Supperior Reaction time played essential role in Sennin mode Naruto hitting Third Raikage... even although Raikage had much faster foot speed then he simply still could not attack/react in time to land his attack.

Proof: Reaction Time > Foot speed

Now, let's take a look at Naruto vs Obito battle:

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^^ KCM Naruto had supperior foot speed but yet he could not land his blow on Obito while Obito was easily handling and dealing with him. One attack by one failed against Obito...

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^^ Even although Naruto's speed in Bijuu mode was much more supperior it still was not enough to land blow on Obito... who was still keeping up just fine... Because lack of supperior reaction time..

Kamui + Supperior reaction time was perfect combination to deal with Naruto... and Obito know it well.

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^^ Same things happened here. Obito due to supperior reaction time activated Kamui in time to let Raikage pass through him. Even although Raikage has much supperior foot speed, he still failed to land his blow on Obito... because he lacked supperior reaction time.

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^^ I proved already that Sage mode gives user supperior reaction time...

and we know that BM gives Naruto flash foot speed.

Now if you combine two modes then Naruto is finally able to avoid anything MS Obito/Rinnegan Obito uses on him along with kamui but MS Obito/Rinnegan Obito alone can not land blow on Naruto as Naruto can sense him and react before Obito will react then use his flesh speed to get away of Kamui range to counterattack just moment later and finish Obito before he can activate Kamui.

The Only Problem could be that Obito has also sharingan which gives him precognition ability, so he can predict Naruto's moves which combined with his great reaction time and mastery use of Kamui would be very hard to bypass...

Minato even further prove this with this panel:
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Even although Minato has great speed much supperior to Obito via FTG(Space time Ninjutsu, I know this is technically not speed but let's say it is mean to move fast), he would be done if not for his supperior reaction time...

Only thanks to his reaction time he was able to use FTG in time to get out of Obito's wrapping ability of Kamui.

Summary:
  • To beat Obito's Kamui you need:

    - Supperior reaction time which is > Obito's reaction time + Kamui's time activation
    - foot speed which is > Obito's foot speed
    - Technique which can damage him or even finish him.

    [*] BSM Naruto could win against MS/Rinnegan Obito, BM and SM would loose seperately
    [*] Reaction time is much more important and deciding factor then Foot speed

Thanks for reading ;)

Please share your thoughts ;)
 
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Uhm Obiot can keep up with naruto's speed,

Kamui > Naruto's speed.

Obito at the age of 14 was talking about capturing minato who could dissapear in a instant.
 

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I like the way the OP thinks, plus thanked.
 

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Uhm Obiot can keep up with naruto's speed,

Kamui > Naruto's speed.

Obito at the age of 14 was talking about capturing minato who could dissapear in a instant.

And failed.

He was all mouth and no trousers.
 

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What is this? ._.

A logical thread?!
 

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Good thread only nitpick is that 5th spoiler picture code is typed wrong.n
 

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but naruto can headbutted obito in kcm.

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^^ Take a special look for Obito's words: "I should have slipped through you"... He doesn't look nervous or something to me... but just relaxed. I have no reason to doubt he could... as he proved a lot of times.

Good thread only nitpick is that 5th spoiler picture code is typed wrong.n

^^ Thanks for pointing this out...

It is fixed now ;)
 

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Base KCM Naruto's speed is no different than that of base Naruto. It's just his shunshin speed that is different because of the overflowing chakra in his body and thanks to his negative sensing abilities he gains in this mode, it gives him some precognitive skills allowing him to prevent and dodge attacks faster than usual. People forget that Naruto just changes his chakra into Kyubi's chakra when he enters the mode. There is relative no difference in physical stats
 

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You're absolutely right. Obito's reaction time is one of the best in the series after Minato. It's because of his reaction time and Kamui is what makes him such a difficult opponent in the first place, despite the odds he faces. His reaction time is key to what made him keep up with BM Naruto's speed. I'm curious on how BSM Naruto would have done against Obito but we'll never know.
 

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Hello guys I would like to debunk idea about Rinnegan Obito being almost as fast as BM Naruto... which is stupid just from get go. This thread will also allow me explain difference between reaction time and foot speed and that reaction time is MORE IMPORTANT AND KEY FACTOR in compare to foot speed. Let's begin

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Naruto in Nine tails chakra mode had even greater foot speed then Third Raikage... but yet he couldn't not hit him without traps and combinations... He lacked very important and essential supperior Reaction time...

However:

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^^ However He was able to beat Third Raikage in Senin mode and we clearly know that

Nine tails chakra mode's foot speed > Third Raikage's foot speed > SM's foot speed
but SM's reaction time > Third Raikage's reaction time > Nine tails chakra mode's reaction time.

Exactly Supperior Reaction time played essential role in Sennin mode Naruto hitting Third Raikage... even although Raikage had much faster foot speed then he simply still could not attack/react in time to land his attack.

Proof: Reaction Time > Foot speed

Now, let's take a look at Naruto vs Obito battle:

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^^ KCM Naruto had supperior foot speed but yet he could not land his blow on Obito while Obito was easily handling and dealing with him. One attack by one failed against Obito...

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^^ Even although Naruto's speed in Bijuu mode was much more supperior it still was not enough to land blow on Obito... who was still keeping up just fine... Because lack of supperior reaction time..

Kamui + Supperior reaction time was perfect combination to deal with Naruto... and Obito know it well.

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^^ Same things happened here. Obito due to supperior reaction time activated Kamui in time to let Raikage pass through him. Even although Raikage has much supperior foot speed, he still failed to land his blow on Obito... because he lacked supperior reaction time.

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^^ I proved already that Sage mode gives user supperior reaction time...

and we know that BM gives Naruto flash foot speed.

Now if you combine two modes then Naruto is finally able to avoid anything MS Obito/Rinnegan Obito uses on him along with kamui but MS Obito/Rinnegan Obito alone can not land blow on Naruto as Naruto can sense him and react before Obito will react then use his flesh speed to get away of Kamui range to counterattack just moment later and finish Obito before he can activate Kamui.

The Only Problem could be that Obito has also sharingan which gives him precognition ability, so he can predict Naruto's moves which combined with his great reaction time and mastery use of Kamui would be very hard to bypass...

Minato even further prove this with this panel:
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Even although Minato has great speed much supperior to Obito via FTG(Space time Ninjutsu, I know this is technically not speed but let's say it is mean to move fast), he would be done if not for his supperior reaction time...

Only thanks to his reaction time he was able to use FTG in time to get out of Obito's wrapping ability of Kamui.

Summary:
  • To beat Obito's Kamui you need:

    - Supperior reaction time which is > Obito's reaction time + Kamui's time activation
    - foot speed which is > Obito's foot speed
    - Technique which can damage him or even finish him.

    [*] BSM Naruto could win against MS/Rinnegan Obito, BM and SM would loose seperately
    [*] Reaction time is much more important and deciding factor then Foot speed

Thanks for reading ;)

Please share your thoughts ;)

Again... He never used the rinnegan lol... that was tobidara , even then... i don't know why he didn't used the rinnegan , maybe because it was only a part of his power and not his full potential , has Madara said at the 5 kage summit arc , he lost all of his powers.
 

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Nah, I'll go with option 2: Naruto's speed is vastly overrated by his fanbase.

KCM naruto <= V1 Raikage. Dodging V2 ay ain't mean he's as fast as him. Unless we're saying Sasuke is as fast as V1 Bee who's <= V2 Ay?

BM naruto is meh. Probably not that much faster than KCM.
 

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Obito using kamui is faster or as bm/bsm naruto.

The only thing reaction time counts for is defensive purposes.

Otherwise obito wouldn't of nearly got him twice (with kakashi's intervention)
 
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