( explanation) why kakashi beat obito fair and square

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Obito could not use all the power of Rinnegan as Nagato, because stupidly does not have the amount of chakra like Naruto / Nagato / Kisame. It was already clear when he said he would die if ONE resurrect Madara and Nagato whole Konoha back to life after the fight and it's no less epic than it was in Obito, while it still had a farewell gesture for Naruto. Kakashi said that Obito can not use all the techniques of rinnegan it is very difficult, it is just a few days obito have Rinnegan and did not really know how to use it, in theory and in practice, in part.From the arsenal of Rinegan obito used (shown he can use) only:
1) Six Paths of Samsara (only divide consciousness, no ability, perhaps with the help of the Sharingan strengthens weak control);
2) The Way of Man (self only);
3) Inyuton (black stick out of the body to grow);
4) Control by linking chains ("chain chakras", he said that they had stronger than Nagato);
5) Rinne-Tensey-no-jutsu (going to use being controlled by Madara).Apparently, rinne tensei can not apply the one who revived by Edo-Tensei... otherwise how can we explain the fact that Kabuto did not use Nagato in its full potential? Could return half of Akatsuki and Madara back to life, too. All techniques have drawbacks, means at rinne tensei has its limitations, there is a reason why Madara did not use it as an immortal zombie...Kakashi fought with him in the measurement of Kamui. where's your favourite obito can not pass through the attack itself (which is 50% of its current strength), obito is unable to properly use Rinnegan (another 20% of its power), he has bad mokuton (10% of its strength. Who knows, apparently, only one technique), it is clearly inferior to Kakashi in hand to hand combat (taijutsu) and ninja techniques (ninjutsu). Conclusion: Kakashi was stronger than him, just because of the weaker Sharingan, and then decided through Kurama's chakra, which he gave Naruto.And REMEMBER! he could kill obito many times, but did not kill out of a sense of guilt before the last, but now he has no reason to feel sorry for him, kakashi need think about future his students , not gone mad Uchiha. It is not the way vkurse as Studded that on the battlefield 4 Hokage appeared ...
 

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Kakashi won because Kishi said "**** FEATS I AM KISHI...MOOOOTTTTOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!"
 

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You are Russian, just a random question? :)


PS: Nice thread. I will rep you later.
 

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Kakashi won via plot no jutsu come on now
 

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Simple. He didn't use Rinnegan
 

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Ofc Kakashi won thanks to plot, but still this thread has some nice information.
 

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Kakashi is a better fighter, simple as that
 

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wasnt obito's job to guide nagato with his rinnegan? I'm sure obito knows how to use it nicely
 

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Kakashi is the better fighter. Obito (like many uchiha who unlocked the ability) rely too heavily on ms. His whole fighting style is centered around phasing through and feinting his opponents.
Take it away( he can't phase in kamui world) and your left with a fodder with a fireball.
Take kakashi's ms away( can't warp other things in kamui world) and your left with the man who copied 1000 techs with just his 3 tome.
 

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Kakashi is the better fighter. Obito (like many uchiha who unlocked the ability) rely too heavily on ms. His whole fighting style is centered around phasing through and feinting his opponents.
Take it away( he can't phase in kamui world) and your left with a fodder with a fireball.
Take kakashi's ms away( can't warp other things in kamui world) and your left with the man who copied 1000 techs with just his 3 tome.
Thats pathetic. Madara sasuke itachi, all uchiha that got decent screen time have strong base sharingan is really a bonus, obito included.
Kakashi on the other hand couldnt beat hidan and kakuzu or even deidara, zabuza.
Everything he has he owns to that one uchiha eye.
Geez he was fodderized by that invisible guy obito killed.
Funny how u omit his mokuton and rinnegan, but even obito's katon would be enough to own kakashi
 

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The fact that obito didnt have the jinchuuriki or kamui already makes the fight unfair, lol.
 

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Thats pathetic. Madara sasuke itachi, all uchiha that got decent screen time have strong base sharingan is really a bonus, obito included.
Farthest from the truth. With ms restricted(a situation where obito lost) the only uchiha that beats current kakashi is madara.
Kakashi on the other hand couldnt beat hidan and kakuzu or even deidara, zabuza.
Everything he has he owns to that one uchiha eye.
Kakashi beat zabuza on multiple occasions canonically tricked hidan with his clone feints. I'll give you diedara due to his long range playstyle. He would have beaten kakazu considering kakazu fell for naruto's subpar clone feints twice.
Geez he was fodderized by that invisible guy obito killed.
Funny how u omit his mokuton and rinnegan, but even obito's katon would be enough to own kakashi
Wasn't he protecting your favorite character from that invisible guy? obito couldn't even react.
When he shows some rinnegan techs that help him win(shinra tensai etc) i won't omit it.
Didn't kakashi canonically dodge obito's grand fireball? yet u say obito wins with it? :leaf:
Or were u talking about the fire tech that he has to use in tandem with his restricted ms? lol
 

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Farthest from the truth. With ms restricted(a situation where obito lost) the only uchiha that beats current kakashi is madara.
Hebi sasuke would beat kakashi, 3t itachi, obito has everything he needs for it as well.
Kakashi beat zabuza on multiple occasions canonically tricked hidan with his clone feints. I'll give you diedara due to his long range playstyle. He would have beaten kakazu considering kakazu fell for naruto's subpar clone feints twice.
Kakashi lost to zabuza and got saved by genins. 2nd match he got needed info, in edo case didnt want to fight and poorly controlled by kabuto. Kakuzu was owning kakashi, naruto has plot BS its irrelevant here. Hidan was pressing kakashi's taijutsu skill to the limit and kakashi got 3T
Wasn't he protecting your favorite character from that invisible guy? obito couldn't even react.
When he shows some rinnegan techs that help him win(shinra tensai etc) i won't omit it.
Didn't kakashi canonically dodge obito's grand fireball? yet u say obito wins with it? :leaf:
Or were u talking about the fire tech that he has to use in tandem with his restricted ms? lol
The guy was not yet invisible, losing an eye in exchange lol? still a loss to me.

MS doesnt make katon bigger or w/e, it was only used for creative shaping here. Obito still capable spitting hell not some small ball of fire that kakashi barely dodged.

Mokuton: Even what obito displayed vs mist-nins is enough own kakashi.

Rinnegan: Any lesser technique used by pain would suffice. None was used and logically he should be better at it.

MS was not restricted. Obito easily could leave and reenter the dimension to strike from behind.
Not to mention that obito had speed to get up and strike kakashi too and both have 3T which makes it laughable.
A fight does make 0 sense.
Canonical outcome is result of many factors, we here debate power only.
 

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the art of plot no jutsu eludes you
 

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Hebi sasuke would beat kakashi, 3t itachi, obito has everything he needs for it as
ugh u write so much. No kakashi isn't losing to hebi sasuke, or itachi. He already beat obito on multiple occasions
lost to zabuza and got saved by genins.
kakashi was protecting his squad and that bridge man. After team 7 and that guy was out of the way kakashi proceded not only to mind rape but to butfck zabuza with his own water techs no lube.
2nd match he got needed info, in edo case didnt want to fight and poorly controlled by kabuto. Kakuzu was owning kakashi, naruto has plot BS its irrelevant here. Hidan was pressing kakashi's taijutsu skill to the limit and kakashi got 3T
Kakashi got a clone feint off on hidan if was being pressed as hard as u say even handseals should be impossible , and again kakashi had to protect most of team 10. The only persons capable of handling themseves in that situation was shikamu and kakashi. Don't pull "plot" out of ya a$$ cuz kakashi was able to smack him with raikiri without being detected by either of the two. Tricking him with clone feints shouldn't be that hard if naruto was able to do it.
The guy was not yet invisible, losing an eye in exchange lol? still a loss to me.
I don't feel klike checking if what u say is true or not all i know is If kakashi didn't save obito, obito would have died to a visible person.
MS doesnt make katon bigger or w/e, it was only used for creative shaping here. Obito still capable spitting hell not some small ball of fire that kakashi barely dodged.
I'd believe u but other uchiha's have achieved shape/size manipulation without the use of their ms. Y obito had to use his? Cuz it was most likely a requirement.

Mokuton: Even what obito displayed vs mist-nins is enough own kakashi.
He doesn't have his zetsu body suit for mukton on that level. And his mukton(used against naruto) tendrils don't suffice.

Rinnegan: Any lesser technique used by pain would suffice. None was used and logically he should be better at it.
he had many a chance to use rinnegan throughout all of the war yet he never did. His opponents(kakashi/guy) even expected it yet he let them down that leads me to believe he can't do it/ kakashi already developed counters

MS was not restricted.
He lost the ability to phase. His main/only tactic. If he can(doubt it) He would have left his partially warped body parts in the hands of shinobi that aren't as forgiving as kakashi.
Obito easily could leave and reenter the dimension to strike from behind.
kakashi already reacted to obito's exit/reenter game. He was even fast enough to warn naruto before obito even finished materializing.
Not to mention that obito had speed to get up and strike kakashi too and both have 3T which makes it laughable.
A fight does make 0 sense.
Canonical outcome is result of many factors, we here debate power only.
he didn't even hit kakashi properly.
Kakashi had to run to him after kicking him 6-7 feet away. If obito didn't get up would have been truly laughable on his part.

Sorry this is one of the few fights where they were no outside factors and both were going for the kill.
Sounds like a versus debate to me and ya mans just lost.

Please don't reply. I dont feel the need to argue with the manga.
 
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^^lol if your not up to reply maybe dont post. Why do you cry here then?
 

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^^lol if your not up to reply maybe dont post. Why do you cry here then?

ugh its like 83 degrees and my ac broke. Im not crying u are. Saying the last chapter was bullshit and so on and so fourth.
I'll reply to u just don't write so much .It's hot enough as it is.
 
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