Explaining Totsuka Blade/Yata Mirror Hype once again

[ComplexCity]

Still trolling I see

Just trolling a troll thread my good man

 

[Dantee]

Just trolling a troll thread my good man

Explain how this is a troll thread.

 

[ComplexCity]

Explain how this is a troll thread.

As soon as you explain to me how Kabutowari doesn't penetrate it.

The moment you say something dumb, I will regress back to trolling

 

[Dantee]

As soon as you explain to me how Kabutowari doesn't penetrate it.

The moment you say something dumb, I will regress back to trolling

Explain to me how it does. I said I dont know if Kabutowari has an explanation on how it works but Yata does.

 

[ComplexCity]

Explain to me how it does. I said I dont know if Kabutowari has an explanation on how it works but Yata does.

Kabutowari is stated in the manga and DB to penetrate any and all defenses and I'm pretty sure you know this already. I can already feel my troll tendencies taking over with your next response

 

[Dantee]

Kabutowari is stated in the manga and DB to penetrate any and all defenses and I'm pretty sure you know this already. I can already feel my troll tendencies taking over with your next response

Thats a hyperbole and Im well aware of that. I want to see if the weapon has mechanics to justify its hype. I've repeated this about 3 times. All you can do is troll its annoying after a while.

 

[Waltz]

I already admitted to bits of the databook being pure hyperboles and thats why I highlighted things on my thread that weren't hyperboles. I admit to making a mistake/ slight contradiction to this statement in posting that 1st scan because I found it on the internet and couldn't change it. A long time ago I had a discussion with a user on here I cant remember his name for the life of me about hyperboles and explanations of different techniques. A good amount of hype can justify said techniques especially when coming from knowledgable persons in the manga. However mechanics of said techniques shouldn't be overlooked especially when its elaborated in the databook and outside the manga.


You cant say the Databooks claims are irrelevant in this particular case because the only knowledge we have outside of manga hype is inside the databook. Furthermore theres a clear difference between those two weapons inside/outside the manga/databook hype. Kabutowaris power is not explained (for all I know). There is no clear cut reason as to why the weapon is so powerful that can we can actually correlate with it being able to destroy all defenses. Being that yata can alter its attributes and properties does in fact mean it can adept itself to many offensive attack. The hype is clearly justified in this case.

Yata being able to defend against and deflect all attacks stated in the DB and Manga comes from a unauthenticated legend. Something can only be proven true if there is enough supporting evidence of feats of physical achievements to prove what ever is being proposed is true or if what is proposed can be logically accomplished based on ability. The shield has the ability to alter its properties to deflect incoming attacks ranging from Ninjutsu to astral so reasonably, it should be able to defend against Ninjutsu based and physical ect. attacks however it defending against any and all attacks is an exaggerated claim based on unauthenticated legend. You may as well make a thread saying that Thanos with the Infinity Gems could not create a strong enough attack to break Yata since "any" and "all" are limitless quantities regardless of anything.

So the only reason you made this thread is because you don't want to accept Yata's hype as hype because some Member on NB told you that exaggerated claims not meant to be taken literally can justify a limitless claim on a jutsu and just because it's written by the author in a source who's information is not 100% reliable since it's flooded with hyperbole which even contradict one another (defend against any and all attacks/ break any and all defenses)? Ok.


The clear cut reason behind Kabutowari breaking any defense: Hype.
The clear cut reason behind Yata defending against any attack: Unauthenticated legend and hype.

Again it being able to alter it's properties does not mean it can defend against an infinite amount of pressure from an infinite amount of attacks.

Off topic: If we were talking about Doomsday for example then you would be correct. Doomsday's abilities is to regenerate and adapt from anything because that is what it's designed to do. If I was to say that's impossible because there's no proof he can regenerate from an limitless amount of attacks and damage then in that case the burden of proof would be on me to provide facts that support Doomsday's regenerative abilities have a limit. ​

 

[ComplexCity]

Thats a hyperbole and Im well aware of that. I want to see if the weapon has mechanics to justify its hype. I've repeated this about 3 times. All you can do is troll its annoying after a while.

Do I have to explain to you how a sword can cut a piece of paper? Describing the mechanics of hype doesn't make it valid. There doesn't have to be an explanation for it anyway

 

[Dantee]

=Waltz;20389552]

Yata being able to defend against and deflect all attacks stated in the DB and Manga comes from a unauthenticated legend. Something can only be proven true if there is enough supporting evidence of feats of physical achievements to prove what ever is being proposed is true or if what is proposed can be logically accomplished based on ability. The shield has the ability to alter its properties to deflect incoming attacks ranging from Ninjutsu to astral so reasonably, it should be able to defend against Ninjutsu based and physical ect. attacks however it defending against any and all attacks is an exaggerated claim based on unauthenticated legend. You may as well make a thread saying that Thanos with the Infinity Gems could not create a strong enough attack to break Yata since "any" and "all" are limitless quantities regardless of anything.

So the only reason you made this thread is because you don't want to accept Yata's hype as hype because some Member on NB told you that exaggerated claims not meant to be taken literally can justify a limitless claim on a jutsu and just because it's written by the author in a source who's information is not 100% reliable since it's flooded with hyperbole which even contradict one another (defend against any and all attacks/ break any and all defenses)? Ok.


The clear cut reason behind Kabutowari breaking any defense: Hype.
The clear cut reason behind Yata defending against any attack: Unauthenticated legend and hype.

Again it being able to alter it's properties does not mean it can defend against an infinite amount of pressure from an infinite amount of attacks.

Off topic: If we were talking about Doomsday for example then you would be correct. Doomsday's abilities is to regenerate and adapt from anything because that is what it's designed to do. If I was to say that's impossible because there's no proof he can regenerate from an limitless amount of attacks and damage then in that case the burden of proof would be on me to provide facts that support Doomsday's regenerative abilities have a limit. ​

Like I said the hype comes from two credible sources. One is from BZ whose witnessed Kaguyas power, Hagoromoo,his sons,Madara and Hashirama. The other is a well documented if not the best scientist and researcher in the entire manga. That is two people who hold high standards in knowledge justifying its power. However I'm not taking that proof alone we also have the Databook listing its mechanics. Im not going off by what one user said because its true the databook as tons of hyperboles but the databook has all types of useful information that we consider canon.

If Kishi initially wrote out the mechanics of this jutsu in the databook that doesn't contradict with the manga this is indeed true and can be considered canon.

Kabutowari has nothing justifying its hype because a databook hyperbole and fodders.

Yata is justified by the most knowledgeable beings on the NV and its mechanics justify why it works in such a way.

We can agree to disagree but at least acknowledge why I placed my stance on this debate is not based on pure hype alone.

 

[Dantee]

Do I have to explain to you how a sword can cut a piece of paper? Describing the mechanics of hype doesn't make it valid. There doesn't have to be an explanation for it anyway

Imo it does because thats how we know how something works and why its placed on a high pedestal in the 1st place.

 

[Waltz]

Like I said the hype comes from two credible sources. One is from BZ whose witnessed Kaguyas power, Hagoromoo,his sons,Madara and Hashirama. The other is a well documented if not the best scientist and researcher in the entire manga. That is two people who hold high standards in knowledge justifying its power. However I'm not taking that proof alone we also have the Databook listing its mechanics. Im not going off by what one user said because its true the databook as tons of hyperboles but the databook has all types of useful information that we consider canon.

If Kishi initially wrote out the mechanics of this jutsu in the databook that doesn't contradict with the manga this is indeed true and can be considered canon.

Kabutowari has nothing justifying its hype because a databook hyperbole and fodders.

Yata is justified by the most knowledgeable beings on the NV and its mechanics justify why it works in such a way.

We can agree to disagree but at least acknowledge why I placed my stance on this debate is not based on pure hype alone.

Black Zetsu didn't say Yata can deflect all things nor did he confirm the hype.Black Zetsu said "It's called the Yata Mirror and is said to deflect all things" which is unauthenticated hear-say. Orochimaru never confirmed the hype. Orochimaru said "The sword of Totsuka also known as Sagekare's Katana is a weapon said to carry sealing properties. Anyone and Anything becomes traped..." which is also unauthenticated hearsay and doesn't make sense if you think in terms of it being able to seal anything because if Totsuka seals a rock, then that rock can't be placed under Genjutsu and if Totsuka can seal anything it pierces it means that if Itachi pierces the sun that the gourd can contain the entire mass of the sun which is 1.989 × 10^30 kg or about 332946 times the mass of Earth . So again as I said in my first post, Totsuka's abilities is geared towards sealing living opponents who can experience it's effects and no necessarily anything it pierces and it having a limitless threshold on the things it can seal.

Alright. We can agree to disagree if you wish. ​

 

[ComplexCity]

Imo it does because thats how we know how something works and why its placed on a high pedestal in the 1st place.

Cancer levels reaching maximum capacity


Kabutowari has penetrated defenses and it has the DB and manga scan to back it up. You're making zero sense as usual

 

[Dantee]

Cancer levels reaching maximum capacity



Show me a scan of Yata deflecting elemental ninjutsu

show me a scan proving it cant. :bdpf:

 

[ComplexCity]

show me a scan proving it cant. :bdpf:

MAXIMUM CANCER LEVELS ATTAINED
ABORT LOGIC ABORT LOGIC


So the person who is not making the claim is supposed to present proof? You can't even prove Yatas hype yet saying its factual. Then again, I forgot who I'm talking to


PDG already soloed this thread back to trolling I go

 

[Dantee]

So the person who is not making the claim is supposed to present proof? You can't even prove Yatas hype yet saying its factual. Then again, I forgot who I'm talking to


PDG already soloed this thread back to trolling I go

Wait you stopped trolling? I didn't notice.

 

[ComplexCity]

Wait you stopped trolling? I didn't notice.

Let me ask you a serious question. Do you consider yourself a good debater and do you think you use logic when you speak? Not even trolling this is a srs question

 

[Bogard]

Here is a non-bias reply thoroughly explaining Yata/Totsuka Databook and manga statements. :bdpf:

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Thanks for reading. :flakez:​

 

[Dantee]

Let me ask you a serious question. Do you consider yourself a good debater and do you think you use logic when you speak? Not even trolling this is a srs question

Im pretty sure you're going to troll after I answer these questions. If I redirected this question back to you what would you say :bdpf:

 

[ComplexCity]

Here is a non-bias reply thoroughly explaining Yata/Totsuka Databook and manga statements. :bdpf:

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Thanks for reading. :flakez:​

Like to see how you respond to the above post. That's 2 strikes against this stupid thread.

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Im pretty sure you're going to troll after I answer these questions. If I redirected this question back to you what would you say :bdpf:

Why can't you just answer a simple question?

 

[Dantee]

Like to see how you respond to the above post. That's 2 strikes against this stupid thread.

/thread




Why can't you just answer a simple question?

Orchimaru was sealed somewhere else prior to being sealed by Itachi. It doesn't take away from this Totsuka blade abilities at all. Oro found the ultimate loop hole.