[Discussion] Existence of a God.

[Mypower]

I think it's just that the human mind has difficulties grasping the concept of never having a beginning. We'll never be able to explain that. We'll probably just do the math even though we can't understand it like what happens in Quantum Physics, lmao!


You say that like we have proven that everything happened by chance yet we don't have a clear understanding of the universe or any concept of the beginning.

When I mean by chance I mean it happened cause it happened. There's nothing else to it.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

Doesn't the same apply to no God though. I don't think it is possible for us to get answers to these questions.

No, the same doesn't apply to no god. The possibilities are limitless. People discredit the big bang because they think,"Oh god created us, so this big bang shit is just that. Shit." and they never actually listen to the people talking about it. Same with the evolution of life. God acts as a brick wall to people. And it's ignorant.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Rene Descartes: Cogito ergo sum, Je pense donc je suis, I think therefore I am

The fact that you can think and question your existence is all the proof you need that you exist.

A chair exists but it can't think. Plants don't think, they exist.

 

[Mypower]

What proof is there that he was right? Why would you believe what he said? How do you even know that he said those words?

How do you know you exist ? How do you know if you're real ?

What you're saying makes no sense I exist cause I am. I Know I exist cause I'm alive I'm real.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

But what would be the origin for something created for chance, wouldn't it just loop on forever and continue to get more complex. And if one tells us it's been like that forever how can we even understand "forever" even in terms of how instead of why.

There is no forever. Time has an end. Theoretically, before the big bang, time didn't even exist. Time is special to our universe.
There are other ideas saying that time doesn't exist in blacks holes either, but that's all speculation. We have not done any testing for it.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

No, the same doesn't apply to no god. The possibilities are limitless. People discredit the big bang because they think,"Oh god created us, so this big bang shit is just that. Shit." and they never actually listen to the people talking about it. Same with the evolution of life. God acts as a brick wall to people. And it's ignorant.

No, I try to understand it, it still isn't that clear at all. Why would it be limitless? How can anything be limitless?

Basically before the Big Bang the Universe was in a hot dense state, right? But it was there. What was there before that?

There is no forever. Time has an end. Theoretically, before the big bang, time didn't even exist. Time is special to our universe.
There are other ideas saying that time doesn't exist in blacks holes either, but that's all speculation. We have not done any testing for it.

Yeah, see. I don't see how time doesn't exist. That doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[Yanks]

No, the same doesn't apply to no god. The possibilities are limitless. People discredit the big bang because they think,"Oh god created us, so this big bang shit is just that. Shit." and they never actually listen to the people talking about it. Same with the evolution of life. God acts as a brick wall to people. And it's ignorant.

You make it sound like the Big Bang is fact, when it's only a theory

 

[I m an Ass]

well god reveal himself for those that are looking for him

 

[Tennis Robot]

How do you know you exist ? How do you know if you're real ?

What you're saying makes no sense I exist cause I am. I Know I exist cause I'm alive I'm real.

You believe that you are real. You don't know that for sure. There is no way of knowing.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

There is no forever. Time has an end. Theoretically, before the big bang, time didn't even exist. Time is special to our universe.
There are other ideas saying that time doesn't exist in blacks holes either, but that's all speculation. We have not done any testing for it.

And, that's the point. "What created God?" "He was just always there."
That's a dead end.
Makes no sense.

 

[Mypower]

A chair exists but it can't think. Plants don't think, they exist.

IT doesn't mean I can't prove a existence of them can't I.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

But what would be the origin for something created for chance, wouldn't it just loop on forever and continue to get more complex. And if one tells us it's been like that forever how can we even understand "forever" even in terms of how instead of why.

That's not worth thinking about. Time didn't exist before the Big Bang. And we know time doesn't go one forever, since the universe is expanding and will eventually cease to exist. Entropy and such

 

[YowYan]

A chair exists but it can't think. Plants don't think, they exist.

yet you can actually sit on it. This argument is dull.

 

[Chazzi]

The fact that a shitty writer like Kishimoto created the amazing character that is Itachi can only mean that God exists.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

@ bold. I don't believe I know I'm real.

Believing is the same as knowing.

 

[Mypower]

I think it comes down to what helps you through this life. For some people it's religion, it's a faith, it's believing in a God, for others it's not, they just hope, simple and pure determination, science, reasoning, coincidences. We can't prove that God doesn't exist or that it does exist so saying either of those statements can't be wrong either. Fact is we still don't know exactly if this Universe has an ending, how it was created aside from a Big Bang and if it will ever end, we don't know if there's forms of life out there like we have here and still it's hard to imagine that we were the only ones in the vast universe to know how it feels to just live. Lots of theories are made and it's part of human nature to question our reason for existing. As long as there is life, people will always believe in something.

Religion say it knows but doesn't have proof. :| Think about that. Use your brain.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

You make it sound like the Big Bang is fact, when it's only a theory

GRAVITY IS ONLY A THEORY.
That is just a stupid thing to say. You just don't understand that it is. Theories are the big ideas that facts point to. They're above normal facts an laws.

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[Pumpkin Ninja]

yet you can actually sit on it. This argument is dull.

I know. I was trying to tell him that that Rene Descartes thing doesn't make sense. I wasn't questioning the existence of the chair.

 

[Tennis Robot]

@ bold. I don't believe I know I'm real.

You have no way of proving that you are real. You are real to yourself. You might be real to some other people. God is real to a lot more people than you are real to. And I'm sure that, if God exists, he is real to himself as well. So why would you make this thread? If that's all it means to be real in your mind, then you've wasted everyone's time by asking a question that you already know the answer to.

 

[Mypower]

Believing is the same as knowing.

be·lieve - ccept (something) as true; feel sure of the truth of.

Know - be aware of through observation, inquiry, or information.