[Discussion] Existence of a God.

[~Ethereal~]

Like what OP is doing?

Yup. x

 

[Mypower]

No one knows? This is the problem with today's world. Science, philosophy and logic must go hand in hand. The question I asked is logical, yet some people refuse to ponder on it for fear of the ultimate conclusion.

The universe isn't eternal, it must have had a beginning, such a complex system could not have emerged by chance. It is only logical to believe a being that is superior is responsibl

@green: WE don't know this.

@purple: How is that logical ?

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Something had to have created that,"Intelligence." Nothing can just always be.

I think it's just that the human mind has difficulties grasping the concept of never having a beginning. We'll never be able to explain that. We'll probably just do the math even though we can't understand it like what happens in Quantum Physics, lmao!

Nice wall of text please don't write too much. I've read all of that and to answer your question it all happened on chance not because it was meant to happen. What you're saying doesn't prove a God exists.

You say that like we have proven that everything happened by chance yet we don't have a clear understanding of the universe or any concept of the beginning.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

No one knows? This is the problem with today's world. Science, philosophy and logic must go hand in hand. The question I asked is logical, yet some people refuse to ponder on it for fear of the ultimate conclusion.

The universe isn't eternal, it must have had a begining, such a complex system could not have emerged by chance. It is only logical to believe a being that is superior is responsible

Again, what bred that complexity MUST ALSO have been just as complex. Which goes to say,"What created this?"
Of course you're going to keep going back and back. With a god, if you ask why enough times you'll always reach the same dead end. Erase or at least, put aside, the thought of a god, and the possibilities are limitless.

 

[Cunning Linguist]

@blue when have they found this answer ?




The proof is in the bible!

I like the Old Testament. Everybody sinned and God enjoyed killing people. None of that weak ass New Testament

 

[Mypower]

I myself couldn't personally say I would live for any purpose that involved "enlightening people" when you make it sound like "I'm right and your wrong." The very way of looking at the world that you seem to hate.

Who said anything about what's right and wrong. I'm talking about evidence and beliefs. They're towo different thingsw people tend to get very confused about this.

@green: Wait what ?

 

[Tennis Robot]

Please don't spam here.


Why would they bash just explain their points and reasons why. Aren't we civilized enough to do this ?



Not all just very few people understand this. This is why I made this thread I want to know why they believe in a God if there isn't any proof.

What proof is there that you exist?

 

[Edenia]

Not all just very few people understand this. This is why I made this thread I want to know why they believe in a God if there isn't any proof.

I think it comes down to what helps you through this life. For some people it's religion, it's a faith, it's believing in a God, for others it's not, they just hope, simple and pure determination, science, reasoning, coincidences. We can't prove that God doesn't exist or that it does exist so saying either of those statements can't be wrong either. Fact is we still don't know exactly if this Universe has an ending, how it was created aside from a Big Bang and if it will ever end, we don't know if there's forms of life out there like we have here and still it's hard to imagine that we were the only ones in the vast universe to know how it feels to just live. Lots of theories are made and it's part of human nature to question our reason for existing. As long as there is life, people will always believe in something.

 

[Gerkak]

That's circular reasoning friend. Something must have created this singular being. Nothing can just always be. It's illogical.

circular reasoning? Would you prefer I say the universe emerged by chance? Like what some scientists want us to believe. I could go and say what is the origin of this "chance". There must be a point where everything started, the origin.

 

[Mypower]

That's not my point, re read the post. People are looking for answers they can believe in, doesn't mean any of it is right or wrong.

Look for answers how though ?

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

Again, what bred that complexity MUST ALSO have been just as complex. Which goes to say,"What created this?"
Of course you're going to keep going back and back. With a god, if you ask why enough times you'll always reach the same dead end. Erase or at least, put aside, the thought of a god, and the possibilities are limitless.

Doesn't the same apply to no God though. I don't think it is possible for us to get answers to these questions.

 

[FoxesInWonderland]

Order can't come from chaos.

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

OP, you need to take a philosophy class. It'll help you understand why people have faith a little bit.

 

[PlatinumTitan]

I think it's just that the human mind has difficulties grasping the concept of never having a beginning. We'll never be able to explain that. We'll probably just do the math even though we can't understand it like what happens in Quantum Physics, lmao!


You say that like we have proven that everything happened by chance yet we don't have a clear understanding of the universe or any concept of the beginning.

*sighs* As humans we can only understand how things work. Not why they work. Science is the How. Not the why.
Asking why we exist for instance, will only be a matter of opinion. Asking how we exist, is another question entirely.
Why will always be a matter of opinion.

 

[Mypower]

What proof is there that you exist?

Rene Descartes: Cogito ergo sum, Je pense donc je suis, I think therefore I am

The fact that you can think and question your existence is all the proof you need that you exist.

 

[Jazzy Stardust]

Look for answers how though ?

Are you serious? -_____-

 

[Gerkak]

Again, what bred that complexity MUST ALSO have been just as complex. Which goes to say,"What created this?"
Of course you're going to keep going back and back. With a god, if you ask why enough times you'll always reach the same dead end. Erase or at least, put aside, the thought of a god, and the possibilities are limitless.

Lets say I did put aside god, what is the origin of existence then? These possibilities you speak of, what is their origin or beginning? The conclusion is inescapable, there must have been something or someone who started it all, the spark of creation so to speak, concepts,objects,time,space and all there is.

 

[YowYan]

Something had to have created that,"Intelligence." Nothing can just always be.

Lets assume that the universe doesn't necessarily has a definite ending or beginning, but more as a perpetual cycle of creation. Lets just assume that the universe works that way and if that were to be true, a creator wouldn't really make sense. A prime creator/matrix/energy source sure. But a omnipotent judge judy? idk. That idea would somewhat support the theory of consciousness not being bound by the physical manifestation. There are studies (''the intention experiment'') that focus on finding evidence for that but as of now, it's just a theory. But its one that makes sense. And it's one that is progressive and provokes rational thought. Religion imprisons the mind. It's a political, expansionist tool to stupify and control people. What religious people do makes no sense whatsoever. As for religious scripts; the most logical interpretation imo would be the link with astrology/astrotheology.

 

[Tennis Robot]

Rene Descartes: Cogito ergo sum, Je pense donc je suis, I think therefore I am

The fact that you can think and question your existence is all the proof you need that you exist.

What proof is there that he was right? Why would you believe what he said? How do you even know that he said those words?

 

[Pumpkin Ninja]

*sighs* As humans we can only understand how things work. Not why they work. Science is the How. Not the why.
Asking why we exist for instance, will only be a matter of opinion. Asking how we exist, is another question entirely.
Why will always be a matter of opinion.

But what would be the origin for something created for chance, wouldn't it just loop on forever and continue to get more complex. And if one tells us it's been like that forever how can we even understand "forever" even in terms of how instead of why.