iSpeak the Truth
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Then how can you still remain motivated for your thread when you can't even counter any argument this thread proposes?
Exiguity.
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KingHashirama
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No clue what you meant X_X. It doesn't need to say he has tsukuyomi.. the fact Sasuke used Amaterasu and a genjutsu before Susano'o is a proof of that.
And that Sasuke did those 2 before unlocking his susano'o. Also its not people's fault.. its how the thread is set up..
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NarutoKage2
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Sasuke doesnt have tsukuyomi agreed.
Just to reply to the noobs who think susanoo=ametarasu + tsukuyomi, explain how madara never used either and still has susanoo? Also, every person has a seperate ms ability, just look at shisui and obito. The susanoo only needs two mangekyuo eyes, nothing more. Also, since itachi gave sasuke his power and sasuke later took his eyes, their powers are similar but not exactly the same either.
Just to reply to the noobs who think susanoo=ametarasu + tsukuyomi, explain how madara never used either and still has susanoo? Also, every person has a seperate ms ability, just look at shisui and obito. The susanoo only needs two mangekyuo eyes, nothing more. Also, since itachi gave sasuke his power and sasuke later took his eyes, their powers are similar but not exactly the same either.
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So how come no one has any argument against this? Where is the "databook says Amaterasu and Tsukuyomi give Susanoo" crowd?
All fine and dandy, but the datebook said Susanno is a jutsu available only to those who have unlocked the ability to see through the material and nightmare world
note the use of "only and "those"...
if they were talking about itachi, why say that susanno is ONLY available by having these two prerequisites?
you do realize he wants to cast tsukyomi on the moon right? and for him to cast tsukyomi on the moon, he needs tsukyomi..
how do you think he even KNOWS about the jutsu?
HE WAS THE FIRST uchiha to unlock mangekyou... meaning it's either him or his brother who unlocked it... and thus he knows about it....he created his plan around it...
note the use of "only and "those"...
if they were talking about itachi, why say that susanno is ONLY available by having these two prerequisites?
Madara never used either because it would be overkill
you do realize he wants to cast tsukyomi on the moon right? and for him to cast tsukyomi on the moon, he needs tsukyomi..
how do you think he even KNOWS about the jutsu?
HE WAS THE FIRST uchiha to unlock mangekyou... meaning it's either him or his brother who unlocked it... and thus he knows about it....he created his plan around it...
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Because Itachi was the only person who had Susanoo at that time. I believe Madara used an EMS genjutsu on Ei, also, I hope you realise that saying the writer didn't make Madara use them isn't an argument.
madara didn't make madara use izanami, does he not have it?
Don't be ridiculous..just because a character hasn't shown something it doesn't mean he doesn't have it..You're completely forgetting the middle ground called maybe , the absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence
when he came back he specifically said he wanted to try some things out...
and he did...moukouton and some rinnegan abilities .... he never got serous in that fight..
my friend, those is a plural word..itachi alone could not fall under that category
Tell me one thing, where did mr madara get the idea of using tskyomi on the moon from? how does he know about tsukyomi?
Obito's part in the plan is to rinne tensei him back to life....then what? he realizes he can't use tsukyomi and goes to eat some ramen?
"I really should have thought this plan out" - Madara
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Then why wasn't Tobi Madara? The databook certainly said he was. Also....why is Sasuke's right eye's jutsu Kagutsuchi? The Shinto God of Fire.....with which Sasuke powers his Amaterasu's weapons.
as people have stated before, enton is just sasuke's skill in amaterasu...
itachi has tsukyomi, madara has susanno and sasuke has amaterasu..
you haven't answered my question. about madara and HIS moons eye plan
itachi has tsukyomi, madara has susanno and sasuke has amaterasu..
you haven't answered my question. about madara and HIS moons eye plan
Prince Charles
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Mang and databook disproves this theory.
Sasuke had and has tysukuyomi now and before ems and using sussano.
Sasuke had and has tysukuyomi now and before ems and using sussano.
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The manga most certainly HAS NOT! The manga has actually stated the contrary, which supports this theory, Sasuke has said, "the double Mangekyou awakens the Susanoo".
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Sasuke's right eyes ability is Kagutsuchi, which is applied to his Susanoo.
All of the MS jutsu have originated from the Juubi! Because the Sharingan and the Rinnegan eyes themselves originate from it. Therefore, once Madara becomes its Jinchuuriki, he can use those jutsus.
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The databook is momentarily outdated. The entailing identified characteristics are eminently lacking the depth that the present manga encompasses. Once released, the databook yields all information up to that point, nothing further: it does not feature any of the author’s modifications—which are why additional books are released.
You can view this in the first databook, which describes Hashirama Senju infamous ability Mokuton as a Secret Technique or
As the reader you must ask yourself, why did Masashi bother to name it, specifically after the Shinto Fire God Kagutsuchi? All the Mangekyō abilities are named after Shinto Gods, Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, Kamui, and Susano’o. So what makes Kagutsuchi different? These readers who have failed to recognize this as Sasuke’s second Mangekyō power are the readers who have ultimately failed to discern what the author was displaying to the readers. The author was utilizing the Mangekyō as an entrance to exhibit these three exclusive techniques. They exist to make the Mangekyō more effulgent than the Sharingan, and illustrate that the Mangekyō is the more elevated dōjutsu.
Danzōu’s statement is purely his reaction or testament to Sasuke being Itachi’s brother; he compared them when Sasuke exercised Amaterasu as well[
For miscellaneous reasons, it should be understood that Sasuke exercised
You can view this in the first databook, which describes Hashirama Senju infamous ability Mokuton as a Secret Technique or
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likened to
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[
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]. The depiction of Susano’o in the third databook also claims that the general Susano’o in is equipped with both sacred weapons[
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]. However, while the databook kept this information, the author changed what Mokuton was, and Susano’o. Mokuton is now a Kekkei Genkai of Hashirama and neither Sasuke’s (prior to transplant) or Madara’s Susano’o wield The Sword of Totsuka or The Mirror of Yata; thus rendering a time where the databook is outdated when compared to the moving manga. A manga that is subject to Masashi’s alterations at any moment and will display those alterations in the story, something the current databook cannot do. This the same case with the Mangekyō Sharingan.[
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] As the reader you must ask yourself, why did Masashi bother to name it, specifically after the Shinto Fire God Kagutsuchi? All the Mangekyō abilities are named after Shinto Gods, Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, Kamui, and Susano’o. So what makes Kagutsuchi different? These readers who have failed to recognize this as Sasuke’s second Mangekyō power are the readers who have ultimately failed to discern what the author was displaying to the readers. The author was utilizing the Mangekyō as an entrance to exhibit these three exclusive techniques. They exist to make the Mangekyō more effulgent than the Sharingan, and illustrate that the Mangekyō is the more elevated dōjutsu.
Danzōu’s statement is purely his reaction or testament to Sasuke being Itachi’s brother; he compared them when Sasuke exercised Amaterasu as well[
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]. Furthermore, Danzōu’s line is a continuation from the preceding back page, the object in mention is a Genjutsu, a pure Mangekyō Genjutsu that Danzōu is comparing to Tsukuyomi. This Genjutsu lacked Tsukuyomi’s defining characteristic: time manipulation. Genjutsu typically involves real time hours—days’ worth of mental stimulating to break an individual's mental resilience[
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]. Tsukuyomi subjugates time, and compresses it to a tangible diminutive second; it is capable of instantly inflicting lasting mental damage that is substantial enough for its victims to eventually end up comatose. That's why it's been called the strongest Genjutsu, and why it can only be dispelled by a skilled, true Sharingan successor. Tsukuyomi is not Tsukuyomi without the ability to compress and control the direction of days into mere instants; therefore if argued as inferior due to lacking those qualities, than it simply isn’t Tsukuyomi. Sasuke’s second Mangekyō power is Kagutsuchi.[
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on Killer Bee not Tsukuyomi—which is a predominantly powerful type of Binding Genjutsu that both Itachi and Sasuke have cast from their Sharingan in the past but have differing aesthetics[
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Why is that hard to grasp....
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In defense of him, please refer to my post on page one..You can't miss it.
iSpeak the Truth
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In reply, please refer to the 3rd paragraph in post # 38 by Varrah. The manga has already stated Sasuke's second ability as Kagutsuchi. The Databook has been proven as outdated before in that same post, and your reply about Danzo is there as well. There is nothing more that I can say, that Varrah hasn't said already.
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