Everything requires chakra..

[KingHashirama]

No one even knows when Hashirama saw tsunade....... on top of that he didn't compare their physical strength.. he stated she might be a bigger monster than Tsunade. Who knows if she was referring to her attitude.. or physical strength.. who knows.

 

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Physical energy = part of chakra. I asked you what physical energy was. Never did I say chakra = physical energy.

Don't tell me i try to hard, when you can't admit you are wrong.. lol.

Physical energy is need when moulded with spiritual energy to form chakra you can't have one without the other. you're the one that can't admit when you're wrong. Lee's attacks uses Stamina not chakra.

 

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No one even knows when Hashirama saw tsunade....... on top of that he didn't compare their physical strength.. he stated she might be a bigger monster than Tsunade. Who knows if she was referring to her attitude.. or physical strength.. who knows.

Hiruzen trained Genins do you know what genins are? was Hashirama alive during Hiruzen reign? was Hashirama alive when Tobirama appointed young Hiruzen as hokage? what did Sakura do that cause Hashirama do draw a comparsion?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

good luck doing pushups in this state:

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Having absolute 0 chakra= death but that doesn't mean chakra is a requirement for taijutsu.

You're lucky I can't find the scan but when it was explained it said taijutsu only requires physical energy. Where as chakra is created from the combination of both physical and spiritual energy.

 

[KingHashirama]

Physical energy is need when moulded with spiritual energy to form chakra you can't have one without the other. you're the one that can't admit when you're wrong. Lee's attacks uses Stamina not chakra.

So what you are saying is ninja can still be alive once they run out of chakra? correct? Since stamina and chakra are 2 different thing according to you.

stamina: the ability to sustain prolonged physical or mental effort.

Again RECENT Manga shows chakra = stamina. I used to claim people weren't born with chakra.. but apparently people are born with chakra. Its the life source of Naruto-verse now.

- Hashirama couldn't do anything because was nearly out of chakra..
- Tobirama couldn't do anything because he couldn't mold chakra anymore
- Kakashi was died because he didn't have any chakra left.

Also, lee does use chakra.. the gates.... . Unless you are saying the gates don't use chakra either..

 

[Joshutsu]

State? not directly hinted and demostrated thou, as where she flicked away Naruto with her index finger and what Hashirama said (Since Tsunade wasn't a ninja during his time).

You have no proof of that. For starters.

And how do you know that Tsunade was not a ninja? They graduated young we shouldn't assume because we don't even fully get the time slot thing and when hashi left the scene is all very confusing.

You wan't to tell me kid Tsunade pulled off a feat like Sakura did in 631 or w/e chapter is was on base strength? She would never have had any reason to invent CES it that were the case and no she didn't invent it for Sakura.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

So what you are saying is ninja can still be alive once they run out of chakra? correct? Since stamina and chakra are 2 different thing according to you.

stamina: the ability to sustain prolonged physical or mental effort.

Again RECENT Manga shows chakra = stamina. I used to claim people weren't born with chakra.. but apparently people are born with chakra. Its the life source of Naruto-verse now.

- Hashirama couldn't do anything because was nearly out of chakra..
- Tobirama couldn't do anything because he couldn't mold chakra anymore
- Kakashi was died because he didn't have any chakra left.

Also, lee does use chakra.. the gates.... . Unless you are saying the gates don't use chakra either..

Kagua was the first person to have to chakra. But the ppl that existed before her didn't, yet they still fight. Meaning taijutsu was in use before chakra was in use.

 

[KingHashirama]

Having absolute 0 chakra= death but that doesn't mean chakra is a requirement for taijutsu.

You're lucky I can't find the scan but when it was explained it said taijutsu only requires physical energy. Where as chakra is created from the combination of both physical and spiritual energy.

You are talking about a part 1 manga scan, that has been countered by recent events, where running out of chakra = you can't do shit. Stamina is the ability of person to do something.

Also, i used to believe that "chakra" is made.. but doesn't exist without molding it.. but that is false (Yes i used to use the very same scans you are going to show me to back up my belief on this) . Chakra already exists in ninja without them having to mold it.
Chakra network is a proof of this.. why else do you think Neji can counter lee? because he can close his chakra points and shut down his physical ability..

Notice that lee is said to be not good in ninjutsu and genjutsu.... but there is a reason why its called Tai JUTSU. And there is a reason why Sakura's chakra enhanced strength is classified as TAIJUTSU.

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Kagua was the first person to have to chakra. But the ppl that existed before her didn't, yet they still fight. Meaning taijutsu was in use before chakra was in use.

Before her chakra wasn't the living force that was inside everyone. Why are you ignoring this?

 

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You have no proof of that. For starters.

And how do you know that Tsunade was not a ninja? They graduated young we shouldn't assume because we don't even fully get the time slot thing and when hashi left the scene is all very confusing.

You wan't to tell me kid Tsunade pulled off a feat like Sakura did in 631 or w/e chapter is was on base strength? She would never have had any reason to invent CES it that were the case and no she didn't invent it for Sakura.

Sigh did i say Kid Tsunade did the same thing? obviously not, he compared them thou and there's no going around the fact that Hashirama died Before Hiruzen Reign and Hiruzen was the one that trained them as genin.
the timeline is :
Hashirama death's
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Tobirama's death
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Hiruzen's inauguration
Its clear as day its Kid Tsunade that Hashirama knows
Say i have no proof yet you use the wiki( the site that anyone can edit) that can't even credit a source where it got such information from.

 

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So what you are saying is ninja can still be alive once they run out of chakra? correct? Since stamina and chakra are 2 different thing according to you.

stamina: the ability to sustain prolonged physical or mental effort.

Again RECENT Manga shows chakra = stamina. I used to claim people weren't born with chakra.. but apparently people are born with chakra. Its the life source of Naruto-verse now.

- Hashirama couldn't do anything because was nearly out of chakra..
- Tobirama couldn't do anything because he couldn't mold chakra anymore
- Kakashi was died because he didn't have any chakra left.

Also, lee does use chakra.. the gates.... . Unless you are saying the gates don't use chakra either..

Dude please stop trying to put words in people mouths its annoying as hell especially when you're argument is weak.
All Ninjas have chakra you die without it simple as that.
But Chakra isn't required for everything simple as that.
It already explained how stamina and chakra and you can't changed that.

 

[Joshutsu]

Sigh did i say Kid Tsunade did the same thing? obviously not, he compared them thou and there's no going around the fact that Hashirama died Before Hiruzen Reign and Hiruzen was the one that trained them as genin.
the timeline is :
Hashirama death's
|
Tobirama's death
|
Hiruzen's inauguration
Its clear as day its Kid Tsunade that Hashirama knows
Say i have no proof yet you use the wiki( the site that anyone can edit) that can't even credit a source where it got such information from.

You still have no proof. Until time line is sorted out properly.

Are you high? Go back up and read my post of the wiki. I called them claims I NEVER said I believe anything in there. Did you not see me call Tsunade's Natural strength a myth either?

 

[KingHashirama]

Dude please stop trying to put words in people mouths its annoying as hell especially when you're argument is weak.
All Ninjas have chakra you die without it simple as that.
But Chakra isn't required for everything simple as that.
It already explained how stamina and chakra and you can't changed that.

Dude not our fault you aren't making a pure claim here. You keep going around and around..... stick to your freaking point..Calling my argument weak is pathetic.. when looking at your argument against Joshutsu....

Chakra is the living force .. Chakra is inside every cell.. no one said Chakra is required to take a piss.. this is why you should read the OP.. and have a better understanding.

Sorry, but uh it also shown running out of chakra = not being able to do shit. It is also shown chakra enhancement = part of taijutsu. It is also shown the Gates use chakra for taijutsu..... It is also shown people can't do shit when they can't mold chakra or their chakra points are shut down.

Sorry dud e.. you plain out don't have an argument...

 

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Dude not our fault you aren't making a pure claim here. You keep going around and around..... stick to your freaking point..Calling my argument weak is pathetic.. when looking at your argument against Joshutsu....

Chakra is the living force .. Chakra is inside every cell.. no one said Chakra is required to take a piss.. this is why you should read the OP.. and have a better understanding.

Sorry, but uh it also shown running out of chakra = not being able to do shit. It is also shown chakra enhancement = part of taijutsu. It is also shown the Gates use chakra for taijutsu..... It is also shown people can't do shit when they can't mold chakra or their chakra points are shut down.

Sorry dud e.. you plain out don't have an argument...

I don't think you even know what you're even argument with me about.
because you seem to be on about chakra while it's the pushup thing i'm talking about.
Neji closed 64 of Naruto's chakra point yet he was still able to move right?

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[Xlad]

Hoping to clear things, stamina is Physical and Spiritual Energy combined together. Chakra is the converted energy from stamina used to perform Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. This image perfectly explains it.

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In part 2, chakra was emphasized more through more occuring ninjutsu and genjutsu. The process behind it wasn't emphasized that often. If i recall, stamina and chakra essentially got mixed up.

Another similar thing I can think of is the naming of FTG. It is a teleportation technique even it was called "Body Flicker" many times in the manga. (Ay, Bee, Tobirama, Rin, Kumo fodders)

 

[KingHashirama]

I don't think you even know what you're even argument with me about.
because you seem to be on about chakra while it's the pushup thing i'm talking about.
Neji closed 64 of Naruto's chakra point yet he was still able to move right?

The argument started when i asked the question to you regarding your claim of Tsunade having natural strength.. You furthermore were not able to accuratly counter the point, but instead said "did i say she doesn't use CES?".. or w.e .... This was our original argument.. not "pushups". You wanted us to believe that Tsunade has natural strength.. yet didn't tell us when she used CES and when she used Natural strength.. . While Joshutsu gave you the scenarios of where she used CES. Because CES is the thing that Sakura learned from Tsunade to increase her stength..

Neji close Naruto's 64 chakra points.. Naruto was moving on pure will power.. big difference. If you call moving by using the every milimeter of your strength.. then yes he was moving.. but because of will power. Did you already forget what happened to his punches? how weak he became physically?

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Hoping to clear things, stamina is Physical and Spiritual Energy combined together. Chakra is the converted energy from stamina used to perform Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. This image perfectly explains it.

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In part 2, chakra was emphasized more through more occuring ninjutsu and genjutsu. The process behind it wasn't emphasized that often. If i recall, stamina and chakra essentially got mixed up.

Another similar thing I can think of is the naming of FTG. It is a teleportation technique even it was called "Body Flicker" many times in the manga. (Ay, Bee, Tobirama, Rin, Kumo fodders)

Thanks. But he won't get it. It's like telling a wall it's called a ceiling.

 

[Xlad]

Thanks. But he won't get it. It's like tel a wall it's called a ceiling.

No problem. It's just a simple clear up. Not going to say much anymore. Lol

 

[KingHashirama]

Hoping to clear things, stamina is Physical and Spiritual Energy combined together. Chakra is the converted energy from stamina used to perform Ninjutsu and Genjutsu. This image perfectly explains it.

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In part 2, chakra was emphasized more through more occuring ninjutsu and genjutsu. The process behind it wasn't emphasized that often. If i recall, stamina and chakra essentially got mixed up.

Another similar thing I can think of is the naming of FTG. It is a teleportation technique even it was called "Body Flicker" many times in the manga. (Ay, Bee, Tobirama, Rin, Kumo fodders)

So what you are saying is chakra is not used to do taijutsu? despite the databook disagreeing with it? BlastIt.. dude surely you are getting what i'm saying here.

@Bold, is the thing i'm talking about ... something people are overlooking. And saying i'm not paying attention to the manga. They are trying to counter recent manga scans with old ones.. where is the logic? Chakra and Stamina became the samething overtime in the manga. Without chakra a person doesn't have stamina.. its been shown countless times. Edo tensei zombies were not able to move because they ran out of chakra and couldn't mold more.


the very picture you provided I used it myself, when i myself used to believe that Ninja are not born with chakra.. however, recent manga events have already countered that claim.

 

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The argument started when i asked the question to you regarding your claim of Tsunade having natural strength.. You furthermore were not able to accuratly counter the point, but instead said "did i say she doesn't use CES?".. or w.e .... This was our original argument.. not "pushups". You wanted us to believe that Tsunade has natural strength.. yet didn't tell us when she used CES and when she used Natural strength.. . While Joshutsu gave you the scenarios of where she used CES. Because CES is the thing that Sakura learned from Tsunade to increase her stength..

Neji close Naruto's 64 chakra points.. Naruto was moving on pure will power.. big difference. If you call moving by using the every milimeter of your strength.. then yes he was moving.. but because of will power. Did you already forget what happened to his punches? how weak he became physically?

I dropped that argument since there was nothing to prove it either way in the case of the Bunta's sword.

willpower? you'll just add anything to try to be right, Besides having the points close Naruto was also beaten up by the attacks yet he moved after saying he couldnt feel any chakra and formed handseals then his had his chakra replenished by the Nine tails. it doesn't really matter how weak he became he was moving.