Even if Naruto never got Kurama, he'd still be top 10

[Kαmi]

He'd be strong but not Top 10:

1. Hashirama
2. Madara
3. Obito
4. Itachi
5. Sasuke
6. 3rd Raikage
7. 4th Raikage
8. Minato
9. Tobirama
10. Nagato
11. Orochimaru
12. Killer Bee
13. Kabutomaru
14. Onoki
15. Muu
16. Kakashi
17. Kisame

All those have at least a chance to beat SM Naruto; he's most probably Top 20, but definitely Top 25.

I might even put Jiraiya on this list. Naruto has a superior SM but overall, I always felt like Jiraiya had the superior arsenal.

 

[Smd]

lol at these people saying he is

you all seriously need to stop with all this crap


ot- op claims my logic is f'ed up and etc but then goes and places naruto in top 10 w/o kurama

and im the illogical fanboy


list of vaild top 10 no fanboying and no trolling


1. Current madara
2. Hashirama
3. Obito w/rinngenn
4.Orochimaru w edos
5. Current Sasuke
6. Nagato
7.Itachi/minato
8. Kakashi
9. Muu
10. 3rd raikage

7-10 is debatle

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

@BlacLord Didn't you post that spoiler pic before of Sasuke awakening the Rinnegan and thought it was genuine even though it was obviously fanmade? Lol

The power fantasies of invalids.

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[BlacLord™]

I might even put Jiraiya on this list. Naruto has a superior SM but overall, I always felt like Jiraiya had the superior arsenal.

I was certainly considering it as I do agree that Jiraiya's versatility does give him a wider range of options...

It's just Naruto packs a lot of raw power...

 

[6ari8]

You can spot the Sauce fapboys just by looking at the posts XD

OT: It really doesn't matter. Kurama's existance with Naruto is an essence in this manga. Without that, the manga wouldn't even exist.

 

[Smd]

You can spot the Sauce fapboys just by looking at the posts XD

OT: It really doesn't matter. Kurama's existance with Naruto is an essence in this manga. Without that, the manga wouldn't even exist.

umm no you cant.

im guessing your saying this because of the ones saying no he isnt top 10.


he isnt top 10 w/o kurama i thought this was well known but i guess not

 

[BlacLord™]

@BlacLord Didn't you post that spoiler pic before of Sasuke awakening the Rinnegan and thought it was genuine even though it was obviously fanmade? Lol

The power fantasies of invalids.

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What are you rambling on about? I never posted anything about Sasuke awakening the Rinnegan and I certainly wouldn't simply take it as genuine from face-value.

Sasuke isn't even my favourite character, I hold him in similar esteem to Naruto. Lmao, I'm not the one saying SM Naruto > EMS Sasuke, you are.

So I'll just repeat your phrase; "The power fantasies of invalids."

 

[AllseeingSharingan]

No he would have died. Against Sasuke

 

[Flawž]

Naruto is top 5 either way.

 

[Kαmi]

I was certainly considering it as I do agree that Jiraiya's versatility does give him a wider range of options...

It's just Naruto packs a lot of raw power...

Yeah, Naruto's SM has much more raw power than J-man's. But we both know that's not a deciding factor, especially against the likes of Jiraiya. It's debatable, it really is. Perhaps someone else should debate this hmm

 

[BlacLord™]

Yeah, Naruto's SM has much more raw power than J-man's. But we both know that's not a deciding factor, especially against the likes of Jiraiya. It's debatable, it really is. Perhaps someone else should debate this hmm

Indeed! Jiraiya's a shrewd man too and hardly lacking in raw power himself.

 

[Smd]

Naruto is top 5 either way.

lol and the trolling conts

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

You can spot the Sauce fapboys just by looking at the posts XD

Yeah, most of them even believed Sasuke's Hawk had the Rinnegan aka Rinnehawk or saw it as a foreshadowing of Rinnegan Sasuke. Lol

And they wonder why their fanbase is constantly mocked

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[Smd]

Yeah, most of them even believed Sasuke's Hawk had the Rinnegan aka Rinnehawk or saw it as a foreshadowing of Rinnegan Sasuke. Lol

And they wonder why their fanbase is constantly mocked

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the problem with this claim is that we all have seen that like what? once or twice

but its ok for people like op to shit on all logic and feats. and you praise it

 

[~Sky~]

I never knew how underestimated SM Naruto was until reading this thread. That makes my upcoming debate even more of an uphill battle.

OT: BSM Naruto and the Naruto you outlined are both top 5 material. The latter might be at 6 or 7. SM Naruto is #10.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

He wouldn't have those abilities without the 9 tails chakra. Even if he did, he wouldn't be able to spam them the way he does. He's super reactionary and reckless. His entire style pretty much depends on being able to fall back on the Kybii's chakra.

Uh, none of those abilities required Kurama. From Sasuke and Sasi arc to Pain arc, Naruto cut himself off from Kurama as much as possible.

I never knew how underestimated SM Naruto was until reading this thread. That makes my upcoming debate even more of an uphill battle.

OT: BSM Naruto and the Naruto you outlined are both top 5 material. The latter might be at 6 or 7. SM Naruto is #10.

Oh! Oh! Who's your opponent this round and what character is your opponent using? I'd give you pointers, but that'd be cheating in the debate.

 

[~Sky~]

Oh! Oh! Who's your opponent this round and what character is your opponent using? I'd give you pointers, but that'd be cheating in the debate.

Haha, yeah it would be cheating. ^-^ I'll do fine anyway, I'm good with Naruto when I want to be.

I'm debating Fair Warning, who is using Non-jin Minato. (Summons restricted from both sides)

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Haha, yeah it would be cheating. ^-^ I'll do fine anyway, I'm good with Naruto when I want to be.

I'm debating Fair Warning, who is using Non-jin Minato. (Summons restricted from both sides)

It could go either way. It all depends on how you go about it. That's all I'll say.

 

[warlee]

If he is still the main character and he never had the kyuubi he would still be just as strong or even stronger. Kishi would just give him something else. People who say he will not be top 10 are judging by his arsenal without the kyuubi benefit not adding whatever kishi will give to stay on top.