Even if Naruto never got Kurama, he'd still be top 10

Would Naruto be top 10 material if he never got Kurama?


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Sennin of Logic

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I just though I'd address this. You've undoubtedly heard the argument that Naruto haters use the argument that "Kurama is powered power and Naruto can't do anything without him." Just for kicks, I thought I'd show how wrong that it.


First of all, having Kurama inside of him means that his chakra control was ruined and Naruto has trained to have him. So the only fair way to judge Naruto's skill as a ninja is to hypothesize a situation where Obito never ripped Kurama out of Kushina. Let's analyze what abilities he could have had then.


1. Shadow clones:

Minato knows how to use shadow clones, so Naruto would have likely taught Naruto them anyway, so this aspect is not lost.

2. Ransengan and Ransenshuriken:


Naruto would obviously still learn ransengan and would want to surpass his father. In fact, if Kurama were never removed from Kushina, Minato would have learned how to mix ransengan with an element most likely.


3. Senjutsu:


He could still learn it as his abilities with it came from his Uzamaki heritage and not Kurama. Kurama does not give him larger reserves. Naruto just takes Kurama's chakra and converts it into his own when he uses up chakra. This does not effect reserves and you'd have to have powerful chakra to become a jinchuriki in the first place. (backed up by Yamato's talk with Naruto)


4. FTG:


Naruto has latent FTG potential made obvious by the fact that the inventor, Tobirama, remarked that he adjusted to its use. He also demonstrated creativity with it when he used it alongside Minato.

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So if Kurama never got out of Kushina, Naruto would be a very proficient FTG user.


5. Chakra chains. Kushina, had access to these. Heck, even someone as weak as Karin can use them. Naruto could almost certainly use them if taught. The fact that it can restrain full Kurama and a miniature buddah statue makes this ability OP.

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With these 5 abilities, Naruto would be a beast and easily top 10 material. This is what Naruto would be if Naruto never got Kurama and not a fodder like some Sasuke fans would like to suggest.(I'm not generalizing, but there are some that say this.) Naruto always had boss potentially, whether with or without Kurama.
 

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It's a possibility, a likely one for sure. But there's other possible scenarios, such as his parents dying for a different reason, or him dying. The fact is that the scenario of Naruto not having Kurama can be lead to many outcomes, so much so that it isn't really suitable for being used in a debate.
 

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He wouldn't even be top 30
 

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Nothing but speculation homie. To go as far to say that he'd be able to master FTG isn't something that can be concluded considering the fact that the two who possess the ability are geniuses, it might not have been something that Naruto could wrap his head around. Also, I'm pretty sure Naruto had the Kyuubi chakra leak out during his training with RasenShuriken so it's possible that wouldn't be in his arsenal as well. Though he probably would have figured that out while obtaining SM.
 

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he would defenitely still be strong but i dont know about top 10 without the nine tails. unless you apply the main character no jutsu lol than yeah he would be top 10
 

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I agree completely. Kurama just gave Naruto a tool so powerful that he didn't need to take any of those steps. Also, we've never seen Kushina use those chains while Kurama was Sealed in her... it's possible an Uzumaki's chakra is tied up to the Seal, so Kurama prevented Naruto from unlocking that ability (or at least Kishi could use such a justification).

Naruto deserves to learn Chains + FTG!
 

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Nothing but speculation homie. To go as far to say that he'd be able to master FTG isn't something that can be concluded considering the fact that the two who possess the ability are geniuses, it might not have been something that Naruto could wrap his head around. Also, I'm pretty sure Naruto had the Kyuubi chakra leak out during his training with RasenShuriken so it's possible that wouldn't be in his arsenal as well. Though he probably would have figured that out while obtaining SM.


Actually, Kurama got in his way. Whenever Naruto strained himself, the 9 tails chakra attempted to take over. This lead to Yamato surpressing him, causing a delay in his training. So if Naruto didn't have Kurama, it would have gone faster. It's speculation to say Naruto is an unskilled ninja without Kurama. I'm just using the other side of the argument.
 

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Thats all speculation. Hiruzen was trained by Hashirama and Tobirama and by feats, Hiruzen barely makes top 25.
 

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very nice, was an interesting read.. also, i kinda wish Naruto&Kirin could hook up and make babies.. in fact, i think Naruto should have more then 1 mistress..
 

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Also, I'm pretty sure Naruto had the Kyuubi chakra leak out during his training with RasenShuriken so it's possible that wouldn't be in his arsenal as well. Though he probably would have figured that out while obtaining SM.
Kyuubi chakra just help Naruto learn FRS fast plus Naruto might have some part of his chakra like Kin /Gin bros
 
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Actually, Kurama got in his way. Whenever Naruto strained himself, the 9 tails chakra attempted to take over. This lead to Yamato surpressing him, causing a delay in his training. So if Naruto didn't have Kurama, it would have gone faster. It's speculation to say Naruto is an unskilled ninja without Kurama. I'm just using the other side of the argument.

Or it could have went slower being that Naruto was straining and running low on chakra. Depends how you look at it. I never said he'd be an unskilled ninja, I don't believe the case would have been with Naruto.

But it's as much speculation to say he'd be top 10 in this alternate scenario. Who's to say Naruto would even want to be a ninja with his parents being alive? With a happy family and his father as Hokage, would he still have that same ambition? The ambition to be acknowledged by everyone and surpass all the other Hokages? It's questionable since being the Hokage's son is the epitome of acknowledgement already. I could say Naruto might have wanted to become a Ramen guy like Teuchi. Naruto loves ramen and it has nothing to do with Kurama, so why not?
 
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Sage Mode Naruto alone is top ten without the extra abilities of his parents added on, but I agree nonetheless.
 

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He beat pain without kurama. and the third raikage
 
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He wouldn't have those abilities without the 9 tails chakra. Even if he did, he wouldn't be able to spam them the way he does. He's super reactionary and reckless. His entire style pretty much depends on being able to fall back on the Kybii's chakra.
 

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Top 10 ? hell no , he would be top 20 U_U
 

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thats a enormous mabey, having the kyubi as a kid is such a vital part that without it he would be a completly different person. For all you know, his parents may have died-choosing to seal the kyubi in someone else. If thats the case, Naruto may never even have become a genin. ( He was failing in school and only passed because Mizuki hated him and tricked him. - If Mizuki didnot try and trick Naruto, he may never have become a genin. Sure, your theory is possible, but its has too much speculation, let me give an example.
I can say that even if Killer B without Gyuki would still be Kage level because he might have been chosen to succeed the fourth and learn lightning armour instead of learning how to be a jink. Or, even if Nagato never got the rinnegon, he would still be strong because he was a uzumaki, with massive reserves, plus uzumaki chakra chains are op.
 

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He'd be strong but not Top 10:

1. Hashirama
2. Madara
3. Obito
4. Itachi
5. Sasuke
6. 3rd Raikage
7. 4th Raikage
8. Minato
9. Tobirama
10. Nagato
11. Orochimaru
12. Killer Bee
13. Kabutomaru
14. Onoki
15. Muu
16. Kakashi
17. Kisame

All those have at least a chance to beat SM Naruto; he's most probably Top 20, but definitely Top 25.
 

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He'd be strong but not Top 10:

1. Hashirama
2. Madara
3. Obito
4. Itachi
5. Sasuke
6. 3rd Raikage
7. 4th Raikage
8. Minato
9. Tobirama
10. Nagato
11. Orochimaru
12. Killer Bee
13. Kabutomaru
14. Onoki
15. Muu
16. Kakashi
17. Kisame

All those have at least a chance to beat SM Naruto; he's most probably Top 20, but definitely Top 25.

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