Ethical Scenario #2
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Any factory,etc job I worked they have to get you a notice in advance that you are getting laid off. Unless you did something wrong then they can just fire you on the spot.
That would avoid having the company being sued and allow the employee to find a job.
Though most laid off people that I noticed get hired back on the spot after a few months.
As supervisor of a team of 10 people,my job is also to take notes of the 10 people.
-See who puts the must effort into the job. Such as being fast,helps out, and doesn't complain on if we are short on people due to call ins and they have to do something that's not apart of their job description.
Like say at Kraft. If someone calls in and we don't have a B relief to take out trash,do card board,weigh scrap, clean candy off the floor,etc and I ask each person to keep an eye on it and to get it done towards the end of the night. If one of them complains or just hides among the group acting like they are doing something.
Then I will mark that down.
- See who have the most points due to call ins or half a point due to being late with no doctors note,etc.
- see who takes late breaks the most after being told to make sure to report back on time.
- See who has a record of being rude with others ,throws stuff on the floor when having a bad day,etc that would risk them getting injured or hurting others on the job.
Etc.
Now if that "friend" is a good worker overall isn't at risk of hurting others or fighting,helps out,doesn't have a lot of points,and come back on time from break.
Then I don't see why I have to say any thing to her.
If she fails that then I can't let her know still.
People that knows information that shouldn't be known yet,usually spread word among the group.
Even if that person think their friend can be trusted,then that friend will say it to another in the group that can be "trusted".
By the end of the day the workers knows about the lay off,which sometimes will lead to poor performance.
It wouldn't be fair either to not lay off the employee cause she is a friend.
Every person will have a story to tug on your heart string .
Possible you can lay off the people that are single,don't have kids, and got a good degree,etc.
If all the workers of your group are perfect then usually you can say to your boss that it wouldn't be a good idea to lay one of the 3 employees.
And the company could use them in another department.
If there's no other department,then go to a bar,drink till youre drunk ,while having 10 shot glass in a row with names in front of you to toss a coin in to help you choose whos being layed off.
Cause either way you're going to feel like shit for doing so.
So why not replace that feeling with an hangover.
That would avoid having the company being sued and allow the employee to find a job.
Though most laid off people that I noticed get hired back on the spot after a few months.
As supervisor of a team of 10 people,my job is also to take notes of the 10 people.
-See who puts the must effort into the job. Such as being fast,helps out, and doesn't complain on if we are short on people due to call ins and they have to do something that's not apart of their job description.
Like say at Kraft. If someone calls in and we don't have a B relief to take out trash,do card board,weigh scrap, clean candy off the floor,etc and I ask each person to keep an eye on it and to get it done towards the end of the night. If one of them complains or just hides among the group acting like they are doing something.
Then I will mark that down.
- See who have the most points due to call ins or half a point due to being late with no doctors note,etc.
- see who takes late breaks the most after being told to make sure to report back on time.
- See who has a record of being rude with others ,throws stuff on the floor when having a bad day,etc that would risk them getting injured or hurting others on the job.
Etc.
Now if that "friend" is a good worker overall isn't at risk of hurting others or fighting,helps out,doesn't have a lot of points,and come back on time from break.
Then I don't see why I have to say any thing to her.
If she fails that then I can't let her know still.
People that knows information that shouldn't be known yet,usually spread word among the group.
Even if that person think their friend can be trusted,then that friend will say it to another in the group that can be "trusted".
By the end of the day the workers knows about the lay off,which sometimes will lead to poor performance.
It wouldn't be fair either to not lay off the employee cause she is a friend.
Every person will have a story to tug on your heart string .
Possible you can lay off the people that are single,don't have kids, and got a good degree,etc.
If all the workers of your group are perfect then usually you can say to your boss that it wouldn't be a good idea to lay one of the 3 employees.
And the company could use them in another department.
If there's no other department,then go to a bar,drink till youre drunk ,while having 10 shot glass in a row with names in front of you to toss a coin in to help you choose whos being layed off.
Cause either way you're going to feel like shit for doing so.
So why not replace that feeling with an hangover.
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Callypigia
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Most (not everyone) is forgetting that as a supervisor you aren't there to watch out for your friends, but find balance between your employer and employees. Just because you don't know what is going on with another employee's personal life (what if they work a different shift?), doesn't mean that their life situations are any less important than a friend's. These are the options I came up with:
1. Tell your employer you don't feel comfortable keeping this a secret from any of your coworkers. If he finally agrees, good, if he doesn't you sit all your coworkers down at a meeting and tell them the situation. You risk losing your job or you find another employer that has the same kind of transparency management model you are more comfortable with. They may ultimately lose their job as well though, but they will have some warning/preparation.
2. Don't tell anyone, because being a supervisor isn't about being a friend, it's about running a business that employs many people. The needs of the many out weight the few. Give the 3 names of the workers with the worst record and hope lay offs don't happen, or not as bad.
*You probably shouldn't be giving out house buying advice to anyone, boss or not, because if they take your advice and it goes badly they'll blame you.
I guess it boils down to whatever you choose these are the ethical options:
1. You have to either tell no one or everyone.
2. If lay-offs do happen you have to be objective and base your firings off your employer's layoff criteria. For many it's last hired, first fired.
3. You can't give your friend special inside information or job security. That's favoritism and decidedly unethical.
4. Isn't it fun to be a boss?
1. Tell your employer you don't feel comfortable keeping this a secret from any of your coworkers. If he finally agrees, good, if he doesn't you sit all your coworkers down at a meeting and tell them the situation. You risk losing your job or you find another employer that has the same kind of transparency management model you are more comfortable with. They may ultimately lose their job as well though, but they will have some warning/preparation.
2. Don't tell anyone, because being a supervisor isn't about being a friend, it's about running a business that employs many people. The needs of the many out weight the few. Give the 3 names of the workers with the worst record and hope lay offs don't happen, or not as bad.
*You probably shouldn't be giving out house buying advice to anyone, boss or not, because if they take your advice and it goes badly they'll blame you.
I guess it boils down to whatever you choose these are the ethical options:
1. You have to either tell no one or everyone.
2. If lay-offs do happen you have to be objective and base your firings off your employer's layoff criteria. For many it's last hired, first fired.
3. You can't give your friend special inside information or job security. That's favoritism and decidedly unethical.
4. Isn't it fun to be a boss?