Eternal Rivals vs the Six Paths of Pain (at the time of Pein's Invasion)

[Piratefish]

What would have gone down had Gai been in the village? With the fearsome teamwork of the Eternal Rivals, can even a Living God triumph?

Kakashi, working together with lesser ninja than Gai, almost took out two of the most powerful paths. Gai would have made sure Asura was totally crushed, and as such even DEVA would have been defeated.

THIS IS NOT CURRENT KAKASHI!

ETERNAL RIVALS!​

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Note: The rivals are not in Akatsuki or anything. This was just the most BADASS picture I could find.

The SIX PATHS OF PAIN!​

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Again, going for the MOST BADASS picture. Pein isn't actually controlling the five Kage.

WHO WINS?​

 

[KidGamer65]

Pain wins low-mid diff.

 

[Piratefish]

Pain wins low-mid diff.

Please expound upon your reasoning with which you reached this conclusion.

 

[narutokage99]

It's not for nothing that Kishi didn't put Gai in village in Pein invasion.
Gai and Kakashi would win, i'm sure kamui can counter SB before it grows.We saw how SM Naruto was efficient in taijutsu and speed so imagine Gai with gates,he'll easily kicks 3-4 path.
Hirudora can't be abosrbed as well,i don't see Deva path surviving it even with shinra tensei.

 

[KidGamer65]

Please expound upon your reasoning with which you reached this conclusion.

Pain already took Kakashi out with little difficulty in the manga.

Guy can't handle Animal Path's various summons like the Dog Summon.

Deva finishes him off with a big Shinra Tensei.

 

[Bogard]

Current Kakashi and Gai should win this mid difficulty, but if we go by Kakashi and Gai from back then and without infos, Pain should win high difficulty

 

[Piratefish]

Pain already took Kakashi out with little difficulty in the manga.

Guy can't handle Animal Path's various summons like the Dog Summon.

Deva finishes him off with a big Shinra Tensei.

Pein took out Kakashi solely due to Chouji and Chouza being unable to finish off Asura Path. If Asura had been truly beaten (something Gai would have had no trouble with ensuring) Deva would have been dead.

Deader.

Immobile.

Gai can deal with the various summons pretty easily (Asa Kujaku) but WHY WOULD HE HAVE TO, when all he needs to is to get close enough to Animal Path that they can't attack him without destroying their Summoner and dispelling themselves. Gai would have little difficulty destroying Animal in close range.

Kakashi knows Deva's capabilities, or learns about them quickly. You can't expect even a BIG Shinra Tensei to finish off BOTH of them, and a REALLY Big One would leave Deva vulnerable.

 

[KidGamer65]

Pein took out Kakashi solely due to Chouji and Chouza being unable to finish off Asura Path. If Asura had been truly beaten (something Gai would have had no trouble with ensuring) Deva would have been dead.

Deader.

Immobile.

Gai can deal with the various summons pretty easily (Asa Kujaku) but WHY WOULD HE HAVE TO, when all he needs to is to get close enough to Animal Path that they can't attack him without destroying their Summoner and dispelling themselves. Gai would have little difficulty destroying Animal in close range.

Kakashi knows Deva's capabilities, or learns about them quickly. You can't expect even a BIG Shinra Tensei to finish off BOTH of them, and a REALLY Big One would leave Deva vulnerable.

Yes I can, especially when a normal one took out 3 Boss Toads.

The Shinra Tensei used on the village will finish them off.

 

[Piratefish]

Yes I can, especially when a normal one took out 3 Boss Toads.

The Shinra Tensei used on the village will finish them off.

With intel on the technique and the obvious prior warning that Pein is either flying up high or deactivating all the other Paths to concentrate on a single Shinra Tensei, Gai could outrun it in 7th Gate Mode.

 

[KidGamer65]

With intel on the technique and the obvious prior warning that Pein is either flying up high or deactivating all the other Paths to concentrate on a single Shinra Tensei, Gai could outrun it in 7th Gate Mode.

They don't have intel though, so that is a moot point.

Kakashi was dead by the time that happened and Guy wasn't even in the village, w/o they won't be able to tell what he is doing.

 

[Piratefish]

They don't have intel though, so that is a moot point.

Kakashi was dead by the time that happened and Guy wasn't even in the village, w/o they won't be able to tell what he is doing.

If Kakashi survives even a single Shinra Tensei, they have intel. If he notices Pein not being able to use two in a short time-span (i.e., if he attacks immediately after a Shinra Tensei with a kunai or Lightning Hound) they know the limits of the technique.

I don't think you looked at the parameters of the thread...

Gai's not dumb, if Pein looks like he's charging up a massive tech he'd be ready for dodging. And in the 7th Gate, he can manage a HELL of a lot of dodging.

 

[KidGamer65]

If Kakashi survives even a single Shinra Tensei, they have intel. If he notices Pein not being able to use two in a short time-span (i.e., if he attacks immediately after a Shinra Tensei with a kunai or Lightning Hound) they know the limits of the technique.

I don't think you looked at the parameters of the thread...

Gai's not dumb, if Pein looks like he's charging up a massive tech he'd be ready for dodging. And in the 7th Gate, he can manage a HELL of a lot of dodging.

Nope, him knowing that he can use Shinra Tensei doesn't mean he will know what Deva is doing when he flies up into the air and shuts off the other paths..for all he knows it could be a different jutsu.

How would Guy know to go 7th Gate? Cause his enemy flew up into the air? I doubt it.

You say charging up an attack...but the fact is...they don't know he is charging up an attack, they don't know what attack he will use either.

 

[Piratefish]

Nope, him knowing that he can use Shinra Tensei doesn't mean he will know what Deva is doing when he flies up into the air and shuts off the other paths..for all he knows it could be a different jutsu.

How would Guy know to go 7th Gate? Cause his enemy flew up into the air? I doubt it.

You say charging up an attack...but the fact is...they don't know he is charging up an attack, they don't know what attack he will use either.

The Pein's each have one ability, or a variation of abilities on a similar theme. If Deva flies up into the air and deactivates the other Paths, true, the Rivals won't KNOW he's about to use Chou Shinra Tensei. They DO KNOW, however, that a LARGE-SCALE GRAVITY MANIPULATION is about to be performed (likely centered around Deva's position), and would be ready to evade it. And if he's ALREADY used it (remember, this is basically the invasion except that Gai's here too now) then they DO know EXACTLY what's going to happen. As such, even KAKASHI might be able to survive it.

Gai, fighting serious opponents, STAYS in 7th Gate.

 

[KidGamer65]

The Pein's each have one ability, or a variation of abilities on a similar theme. If Deva flies up into the air and deactivates the other Paths, true, the Rivals won't KNOW he's about to use Chou Shinra Tensei. They DO KNOW, however, that a LARGE-SCALE GRAVITY MANIPULATION is about to be performed (likely centered around Deva's position), and would be ready to evade it. And if he's ALREADY used it (remember, this is basically the invasion except that Gai's here too now) then they DO know EXACTLY what's going to happen. As such, even KAKASHI might be able to survive it.

Gai, fighting serious opponents, STAYS in 7th Gate.

They won't know what type of Gravity Manipulation that will occur and Kakashi can't survive it, not when 3 Boss Toads were taken out by a small Shinra Tensei.

Or Deva could just use CT...

Show me some speed feats from Guy that suggest he can dodge CST.

 

[Piratefish]

They won't know what type of Gravity Manipulation that will occur and Kakashi can't survive it, not when 3 Boss Toads were taken out by a small Shinra Tensei.

Or Deva could just use CT...

Show me some speed feats from Guy that suggest he can dodge CST.

They don't know EXACTLY what type (unless Pein already used it during the invasion), but they DO know that it'll be large-scale (even Shinra Tensei is fairly large-scale) and centered on Deva's body. As such, they'll both be ready to move away from it, though I agree that Kakashi probably won't make it even with the vast amounts of prior warning he receives from Pein. Unless he decides to retreat the moment he realizes what Deva's about to do, as Deva can't follow very well.

CT, at least CT of the calibre used against ordinary humans (Pein PROBABLY won't make one as powerful as the one he used to restrain the Kyuubi), could be countered by Hirudora, as it's a Bijuu-busting level attack, and even Kamui, as the actual black orb used to form CT isn't very large. However, the Rival who countered the technique wouldn't be of much use for the rest of the battle.

Why would you believe he CAN'T cross half of Konoha in the time it takes for Pein to unleash Chou Shinra Tensei? He's on par with the Raikage, isn't he? 5th Gate LEE was faster than sight, 7th Gate GAI is faster than ST, with prior warning what's probably going to happen.



And, of course, there's the Death Gate. Death Gate Gai would break Shinra Tensei's like glass (6-tails Naruto did, and 8th Gate Gai is indisputably stronger than 6-tails Naruto) and would destroy Deva before the timer has reset itself.

The Rivals would probably beat the Six Paths, in my opinion, but they wouldn't even be aware of Nagato's existence. So he'd be the REAL victor, no matter what happens.

 

[Zavage10]

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Current Kakashi and Gai should win this mid difficulty, but if we go by Kakashi and Gai from back then and without infos, Pain should win high difficulty

You make it seem like pains invasions was ages ago, when in reality the time difference is a month at the most.

 

[Piratefish]

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You make it seem like pains invasions was ages ago, when in reality the time difference is a month at the most.

Was it really only a month? They've become QUITE A BIT more powerful since then, or at least Kakashi has.

 

[Simple Math]

do Kakashi and Gai have any knowledge?

 

[Piratefish]

do Kakashi and Gai have any knowledge?

Hadn't planned on giving them any; Do you think it would change the outcome drastically?

 

[Hmph]

Hadn't planned on giving them any; Do you think it would change the outcome drastically?

Yes mate, knowledge would make a huge difference. Battling Pain without knowledge will very, very difficult. So the Eternal rivals are restricted to pre-war arc feats, correct? I'd like to clear up a misconception though

"two bodies of pain easily beat pre-war arc kakashi"

people are looking at this in a very simplistic fashion

kakashi was battling the two most powerful pain bodies deva and asura

deva is by far the strongest body and even gave sage mode naruto problems. we see here that kakashis lightning clone paralyzes asura path and deva is also distracted

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both bodies had their back turned meaning their shared vision was useless and kakashi had a raikiri ready seeing as how is a master at sneaking up on people and is very fast, deva path was about to eat a raikiri before backup arrived lol

pain considered kakashi such a threat he even stated that he could cause problems for akatasuki in the future if he was kept alive. and this was before he even was aware of kamui.