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Why Orochimaru is far superior to Deidara.
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1. Let's start with Deidara's abilities that won't affect Orochimaru.
A. C4 - Garuda.
This ability is completely useless against Orochimaru, since now, that he's in possession of a Zetsu body, he doesn't breathe. Zetsu themselves state that they are
By having no veins, lungs or any other limb or organ, C4 clearly poses completely 0 threat to Orochimaru.
B. Earth Clone.
Orochimaru can sense through
Thanks to all that, current Orochimaru has 4 different sensory abilities and has already shown that clones cannot fool him [
Also, people tend to underrate Zetsu sensory abilities (ones, which Orochimaru is now in possession of).
This ability is completely useless against Orochimaru, since now, that he's in possession of a Zetsu body, he doesn't breathe. Zetsu themselves state that they are
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you can clearly see that Zetsu body doesn't have veins or blood.By having no veins, lungs or any other limb or organ, C4 clearly poses completely 0 threat to Orochimaru.
B. Earth Clone.
Orochimaru can sense through
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, he can also sense chakra thanks to
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. Moreover, he has another sensory ability that allowed him to detect the microscopic needle that Sasori placed inside Kabuto's brain to make him spy on his master.Thanks to all that, current Orochimaru has 4 different sensory abilities and has already shown that clones cannot fool him [
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], [
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], [
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].Also, people tend to underrate Zetsu sensory abilities (ones, which Orochimaru is now in possession of).
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you can see that Naruto escapes the barrier on the Turtle Island. And now take a look at another scan.
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sensed Naruto from hundreds of kilometers away in REAL TIME, without even focusing on it or molding chakra.2. Dealing with other Deidara's situational jutsu.
A. Land Mines.
This jutsu isn't posing much threat anyway, since in 1vs1 scenario, Deidara cannot ask anyone to bury the mines underground. But even if Deidara managed somehow to place them, Orochimaru's sensing would easily help him avoid that.
B. Explosive Clone.
Same situation as with Shadown/Clay Clones. Orochimaru cannot be fooled with clones as seen in manga.
This jutsu isn't posing much threat anyway, since in 1vs1 scenario, Deidara cannot ask anyone to bury the mines underground. But even if Deidara managed somehow to place them, Orochimaru's sensing would easily help him avoid that.
B. Explosive Clone.
Same situation as with Shadown/Clay Clones. Orochimaru cannot be fooled with clones as seen in manga.
3. Dealing with Deidara's Kekkei Genkai.
A. C1.
This jutsu is countered very easily. Orochimaru can simply dodge these bombs with his speed feats or in case there are really many of them, he can use his
to blow them hundreds of meters away.
B. C2.
Bombs released by C2 dragon are indeed stronger, but still, not enough to even harm Orochimaru. Base Orochimaru was stated in Databook to be as fast as Sasuke, who managed to
Now add to that Oro's Slithering Snake Mode and Shunshin - that makes him much faster.
C. C3.
This is the jutsu Deidara shouldn't even think about using. Firstly, Orochimaru was fast enough to summon Triple Rashoumon before already fired off Tailed Beast Blast managed to hit him
It's more than enough to defend him from the shockwave and the fireball caused by C3.
Other than that, Orochimaru could simply use Mayfly or Hiding like a mole to either merge with the ground and travel with very high speed OR bury deep in the ground to avoid any C3 impact. Considering that neither of these jutsu require any hand seal, it's not even debatable if Orochimaru could do that in time.
So basically, using a jutsu that drains so much chakra to achieve actually nothing in return is the most stupid idea Deidara could have.
This jutsu is countered very easily. Orochimaru can simply dodge these bombs with his speed feats or in case there are really many of them, he can use his
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to blow them hundreds of meters away.
B. C2.
Bombs released by C2 dragon are indeed stronger, but still, not enough to even harm Orochimaru. Base Orochimaru was stated in Databook to be as fast as Sasuke, who managed to
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C2 bomb.Now add to that Oro's Slithering Snake Mode and Shunshin - that makes him much faster.
C. C3.
This is the jutsu Deidara shouldn't even think about using. Firstly, Orochimaru was fast enough to summon Triple Rashoumon before already fired off Tailed Beast Blast managed to hit him
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.It's more than enough to defend him from the shockwave and the fireball caused by C3.
Other than that, Orochimaru could simply use Mayfly or Hiding like a mole to either merge with the ground and travel with very high speed OR bury deep in the ground to avoid any C3 impact. Considering that neither of these jutsu require any hand seal, it's not even debatable if Orochimaru could do that in time.
So basically, using a jutsu that drains so much chakra to achieve actually nothing in return is the most stupid idea Deidara could have.
4. Countering the flight.
A. Flying owl/dragon.
Firstly, saying that Deidara could fly up hundreds of meters off the ground is stupid, since if he really wants to kill Orochimaru, he needs to keep a distance that wouldn't make him just leave the battleground. That being said, a scenario like in Sasuke's case is the most probable.
Sasuke almost caught Deidara with his Chidori spear. The only problem was its
Moreover, it's been shown in manga that Deidara isn't really proficient in reacting to
B. Temporary Paralysis Technique.
This justu may not be very effective against stronger enemies, but in this case it would work just perfectly. Deidara's clay creatures don't have brains and minds on their own - that's why Deidara has to manoeuvre his Owl/Dragon by himself. Now guess what happens when his body gets paralysed, even for a mere second or two. Not being able to mainain the flight and balance - another opening for Orochimaru, in case he actually missed his other offensive strike, but got close enough to use Temporary Paralysis Technique.
Firstly, saying that Deidara could fly up hundreds of meters off the ground is stupid, since if he really wants to kill Orochimaru, he needs to keep a distance that wouldn't make him just leave the battleground. That being said, a scenario like in Sasuke's case is the most probable.
Sasuke almost caught Deidara with his Chidori spear. The only problem was its
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. It's something that Orochimaru can
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.Moreover, it's been shown in manga that Deidara isn't really proficient in reacting to
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- something that is Orochimaru's specialty.B. Temporary Paralysis Technique.
This justu may not be very effective against stronger enemies, but in this case it would work just perfectly. Deidara's clay creatures don't have brains and minds on their own - that's why Deidara has to manoeuvre his Owl/Dragon by himself. Now guess what happens when his body gets paralysed, even for a mere second or two. Not being able to mainain the flight and balance - another opening for Orochimaru, in case he actually missed his other offensive strike, but got close enough to use Temporary Paralysis Technique.
5. Offense.
A. Hidden Snake Hands.
This jutsu is severely underrated. It managed to restrain 4tailed Kyuubi, already accelerated
It also stopped point-blank God tree branch from annihilating Hiruzen.
So its speed and reaction feats are massive. Look at what happens to Deidara if he gets hit by it [
B. Sword of Kusanagi.
I have already presented how extended Kusanagi can slice through Deidara's clay - now add to that Kusanagi's ability to levitate. It gives Orochimaru a chance of making it '2' vs 1. Amazing way of surprising Deidara - which is something he is weak to.
C. Cursed Seal.
Orochimaru can also use his Cursed Seal on Deidara. Considering that Orochimaru has shown an ability to
Injecting the Cursed Seal results in severe pain and would mean death to Deidara.
D. Zetsu spores.
Another underlooked ability, which in fact can be deadly. Spores are invisible and cannot be sensed by anyone who hasn't done extensive research on Hashirama DNA. They can
Also, I can't see Deidara freeing himself from the restraint with his strength only. It took enormous strength of
This jutsu is severely underrated. It managed to restrain 4tailed Kyuubi, already accelerated
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.It also stopped point-blank God tree branch from annihilating Hiruzen.
So its speed and reaction feats are massive. Look at what happens to Deidara if he gets hit by it [
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].B. Sword of Kusanagi.
I have already presented how extended Kusanagi can slice through Deidara's clay - now add to that Kusanagi's ability to levitate. It gives Orochimaru a chance of making it '2' vs 1. Amazing way of surprising Deidara - which is something he is weak to.
C. Cursed Seal.
Orochimaru can also use his Cursed Seal on Deidara. Considering that Orochimaru has shown an ability to
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- nothing stops him from emerging from Hidden Snakes had they hit Deidara, since they got so much
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nowadays.Injecting the Cursed Seal results in severe pain and would mean death to Deidara.
D. Zetsu spores.
Another underlooked ability, which in fact can be deadly. Spores are invisible and cannot be sensed by anyone who hasn't done extensive research on Hashirama DNA. They can
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Deidara for the means of offense OR defense, to stop him from executing attacks. Also, the chakra drained from Deidara can be brought back to Orochimaru, making the gap in their chakra reserves even bigger.Also, I can't see Deidara freeing himself from the restraint with his strength only. It took enormous strength of
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to get rid of just 1 spore and look what happened to
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. He was restrained by a single spore for a very long time. Enough for Orochimaru to take a short nap and then finish Deidara off, if he doesn't use any bombs to get rid of the spore in the same time damaging himself.6. Summonnings and transformations.
A. All kinds of summonnings.
Apart from Hidden Snakes and Rashoumon Gates, Orochimaru was shown to be able to summon many Giant Snakes.
We've seen that he has in his disposal:
*3 Cursed Seal Giant Snakes [
*2 Twin Snakes during The Sannin Lockdown
*Manda
Manda himself was able to withstand a massive Katon and barely, but still, survive C0. There's no way Deidara could take down such summons easily and moreover, he has nothing to counter this numbers with his numbers, since he has 0 summons.
B. Eight Branches.
Deidara has literally 0 counters to this technique. It's the pinnacle of White Snake Power and Orochimaru didn't give a fcuk after Itachi sliced its heads. This jutsu inherited all White Snake regeneration and even though it hasn't shown any serious jutsu yet, its giant heads can easily strike with enormous power.
C. True Form.
Orochimaru probably would never use it against Deidara, but assuming that Deidara somehow manages to make Orochimaru enter his True Form, he would get taken over in the end.
Apart from Hidden Snakes and Rashoumon Gates, Orochimaru was shown to be able to summon many Giant Snakes.
We've seen that he has in his disposal:
*3 Cursed Seal Giant Snakes [
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], [
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]*2 Twin Snakes during The Sannin Lockdown
*Manda
Manda himself was able to withstand a massive Katon and barely, but still, survive C0. There's no way Deidara could take down such summons easily and moreover, he has nothing to counter this numbers with his numbers, since he has 0 summons.
B. Eight Branches.
Deidara has literally 0 counters to this technique. It's the pinnacle of White Snake Power and Orochimaru didn't give a fcuk after Itachi sliced its heads. This jutsu inherited all White Snake regeneration and even though it hasn't shown any serious jutsu yet, its giant heads can easily strike with enormous power.
C. True Form.
Orochimaru probably would never use it against Deidara, but assuming that Deidara somehow manages to make Orochimaru enter his True Form, he would get taken over in the end.
7. Orochimaru's defense.
A. All kinds of evasion.
*Attack Prevention technique - allows him to passively phase through objects and evade attacks
*Mayfly - doesn't need any scan. Merging with the ground and moving at a very high speed.
*Hiding like a mole - again, scans not required - well known jutsu. Allows its user to bury very deep and travel underground to either evade attacks or execute a surprise attack on an enemy.
B. Improved Shadow Clone.
Orochimaru can replace himself with a Shadow Clone AFTER getting hit by a jutsu/weapon and can NEGATE the jutsu so it won't hurt him anymore.
C. Orochimaru's signature Body Replacement and Snake Gathering.
This one is obvious.
*Attack Prevention technique - allows him to passively phase through objects and evade attacks
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*Mayfly - doesn't need any scan. Merging with the ground and moving at a very high speed.
*Hiding like a mole - again, scans not required - well known jutsu. Allows its user to bury very deep and travel underground to either evade attacks or execute a surprise attack on an enemy.
B. Improved Shadow Clone.
Orochimaru can replace himself with a Shadow Clone AFTER getting hit by a jutsu/weapon and can NEGATE the jutsu so it won't hurt him anymore.
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you can see Orochimaru being stabbed by kunai and
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you can see him instantly replacing himself with a clone without Anko even realising! It allows him to move away from any danger and surprise the enemy.C. Orochimaru's signature Body Replacement and Snake Gathering.
This one is obvious.
8. Statistics and feats.
A. Speed and reaction.
Base Orochimaru was stated by Databook to be as fast as Sasuke.
Another testament to Orochimaru's speed and reaction are these feats:
*Outspeeding and evading 4tails chakra arms [
*Blitzing Kabuto and Yamato with base speed. Yamato couldn't even move his kunai a few cm when he got blitzed by Orochimaru hiding many meters away, in the woods [
*Reacting to Chakra Arm while already off the ground (!) [
B. Chakra reserves and chakra control.
It's been stated by Kisame and Pain that non-Zetsu Orochimaru had much more chakra than Deidara. It happened when Deidara replaced Orochimaru and Akatsuki and when Kisame stated that without Orochimaru and Deidara on his place, extracting Shukaku would take more time [
Now, that Orochimaru has Hashi DNA body, disproportion in chakra reserves is even bigger.
Base Orochimaru was stated by Databook to be as fast as Sasuke.
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Orochimaru is much faster and Shunshin [
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], [
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] is more than enough to surprise Deidara with speed and dodge his explosions.Another testament to Orochimaru's speed and reaction are these feats:
*Outspeeding and evading 4tails chakra arms [
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].*Blitzing Kabuto and Yamato with base speed. Yamato couldn't even move his kunai a few cm when he got blitzed by Orochimaru hiding many meters away, in the woods [
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], [
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], [
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].*Reacting to Chakra Arm while already off the ground (!) [
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].B. Chakra reserves and chakra control.
It's been stated by Kisame and Pain that non-Zetsu Orochimaru had much more chakra than Deidara. It happened when Deidara replaced Orochimaru and Akatsuki and when Kisame stated that without Orochimaru and Deidara on his place, extracting Shukaku would take more time [
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],[
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].Now, that Orochimaru has Hashi DNA body, disproportion in chakra reserves is even bigger.
9. Conclusion.
I tried my best to prove that Orochimaru is far superior to Deidara. Of course Edo Tensei was restricted here not to make it a complete stomp. Also, I decided not to bring Orochimaru's barrier jutsu, True Form poison or Visions of Death, since many people tend to look down on them.
I hope I could convince at least a few people that Deidara stands no chance here. Also, hope you liked the thread
And please, do comment
I want to know your opinion on this.Cheers.
@Edit.
Expanded sensory section and added Zetsu spores to Offense section.
@Edit 2.
Expanded speed and reaction feats section.
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