Establishing why tsunade is on par with previous hokage .

[bencoby]

minato got credit for being main reason leaf won that war . Tsunade was credited for being main reason leaf won second war . manga facts



You took my poins and read only the part you wanted. Reread what I typed, yes they were both influences but what minato did in war is way way biger than what she ever did in war, which means she is below him.

 

[warlee]

all of them have better achievements and stopped every threat in their reign.

 

[blackstar9]

minato got credit for being main reason leaf won that war . Tsunade was credited for being main reason leaf won second war . manga facts



You took my poins and read only the part you wanted. Reread what I typed, yes they were both influences but what minato did in war is way way biger than what she ever did in war, which means she is below him.

thats false . tsunade was credited for basically winningthe 2nd war . mianto was credited with with basically winning a war . thats the same feat . Now as far as the style they did it doesnt make a difference . Its teh same feat . Being the biggest reason leaf won a war. you dont have to like her but you cant take that feat from her

 

[blackstar9]

all of them have better achievements and stopped every threat in their reign.

i disagree that they all have better achivements . Im not going to list hers again cause they are in the op

 

[purfectic]

Shes one of the strongest fems in the series but she cant touch the other hokages. In medical jutsu and politics shes probably the best though

 

[blackstar9]

Shes one of the strongest fems in the series but she cant touch the other hokages. In medical jutsu and politics shes probably the best though

cant touch them in what way ?

 

[idealist]

dont compare anyone from the warring states period to the modern age Madara and Hashi are in a whole different league. More over if pain invaded on minato or hiruzen would they have kept the body count low? No they would have been able to save people at the very least Tsunade kept most everyone alive.

 

[blackstar9]

dont compare anyone from the warring states period to the modern age Madara and Hashi are in a whole different league. More over if pain invaded on minato or hiruzen would they have kept the body count low? No they would have been able to save people at the very least Tsunade kept most everyone alive.

i dont really comapre hashirama with anybody . your right madara and hashi are in a different league . In my opinion only current naruto and sasuke can compete with those two . But tsunade is powerful in her own right . All of the hokage were powerful in their own right , tsunade included . People just dont like her style . But she definetly made a mark on the shinobi world . like i mentioned in the o.p.

 

[purfectic]

cant touch them in what way ?

In combat even with her smarts the other hokages outdo her with their power and combat knowledge to none

 

[bencoby]

thats false . tsunade was credited for basically winningthe 2nd war . mianto was credited with with basically winning a war . thats the same feat . Now as far as the style they did it doesnt make a difference . Its teh same feat . Being the biggest reason leaf won a war. you dont have to like her but you cant take that feat from her

Lol, I do like her but what are we talking about. We are arguing on who is ahead of ther other intearms of war. Yes tsunade was credited, but what she was credited for was just a peck of dust in an ocean compared to what minato was credited for so by this, minato is ahead of tsunade intearms of war as simple as that.

 

[blackstar9]

In combat even with her smarts the other hokages outdo her with their power and combat knowledge to none

i disagree tsunade has lots of combat knowledge . She been thru a few wars . Her intelligence stats are a five , if im not mistaken . As far as power she has that too. She has the strength to kill with a blow , got a summon that spits acid . And can regenrate any organ or body part . Thats powerful ! Killer taijutsu is as good as killer ninjutsu or genjutsu .

 

[blackstar9]

Lol, I do like her but what are we talking about. We are arguing on who is ahead of ther other intearms of war. Yes tsunade was credited, but what she was credited for was just a peck of dust in an ocean compared to what minato was credited for so by this, minato is ahead of tsunade intearms of war as simple as that.

we are talking about her being on par with other hokage based on feats . you keep saying what she did was a spec of dust . But she won a war !!!!!! Minato was also credited for winning a war !!!!! How can one war victory be better then another ?

 

[xxSAGExx]

I intend to prove tsunade is on par with previous hokage . This thread is not trying to make anyone like tsunade . I will prove she is worthy of her title using certain criteria . War feats , changed shinobi world , Individual power and skills , Blood line , knowledge

War feats = On par with the 4th ! Before becoming hokage. She was credited with being a major reason konoha won the 2nd world war . Just like minato was credited for being a major reason konoha won a war !!! In current war she made key decisions ( example convincing raikage to let naruto and bee fight in war ) And was co- mvp with oonoki in the madara battle . She basically kept other kages alive by healing and giving chakra . Without her gokage would have been dead long ago . Tsunade and OOnoki inspired the troops and kept morale high . Tsunade wasnt just in a war, but played key roles .

Changed shinobi world = On par with the 2nd ! Tobirama changed the ninja world by creating systems other villages would copy . ( example starting ninja academy , anbu , Etc ) Tsunade also changed the ninja world establishing the medical ninja . She created a medical system that was copied world wide . In turn saving thousands of ninjas lives . making them able to continue to fight .
Bloodline and individual skills = senju and uzumaki = strong life force and physical energy ( example being cut in half and surviving, having enough chakra to heal a whole village ) stamina chakra reserves , vitality . Being a descendant of ashura( senju and their cousins uzumaki ) she got body power ! Individual skills equal = Her strength tsunade can break bones and rupture internal organs with her monster strength . One blow from her would be game over . She has a raw strength advantage over any opponant. Her healing powers make her almost unkillable . She can regenerate any parts or organs !! Her one shot kill potential plus her regenerative ability , evasion skills and her summon makes her very diffucult to beat, unless you are god -tier op! Her healing powers are not at hashi level on individual basis . But through her summon she can heal a whole village!! Hashi cant do that . And finally her Knowledge and will of fire seems to be on par with the rest of the hokage . Knowing about most things in shinobi world . And putting her life on the line to defend the village from pein . And willing to die to protect young naruto from oro and kabuto . who she saw as a future hokage . For these reasons i feel she is on par with the previous hokage in her own right .And worhty of her title . Sorry for not having scans i dont know how to post them . and for thread being so long . I hope at least a few people read it . :O

I don't think you should have said she's on par with the other Hokage but instead say she earned her right to be Hokage. Tsunade is the only Hokage who was a medical ninja so what she gave the village was different from what the other Hokages gave the village. She is a strong ninja but lacks that special something that the other Kages had as fighters. Minato, like Tsunade haven't shown element based jutsu but we do know Minato had them since he intended to add his element to Rasengan but died before he could. I think if Kishi gave Tsunade at least one element and made her good at it then people might respect her more, like Mei is out there using water, earth, fire, boiling, and lava elements. Tsunade role in wars was mostly in medical, the only fight we knew she took place in was with Jiraiya and Orochimaru against Hanzo.

 

[blackstar9]

I don't think you should have said she's on par with the other Hokage but instead say she earned her right to be Hokage. Tsunade is the only Hokage who was a medical ninja so what she gave the village was different from what the other Hokages gave the village. She is a strong ninja but lacks that special something that the other Kages had as fighters. Minato, like Tsunade haven't shown element based jutsu but we do know Minato had them since he intended to add his element to Rasengan but died before he could. I think if Kishi gave Tsunade at least one element and made her good at it then people might respect her more, like Mei is out there using water, earth, fire, boiling, and lava elements. Tsunade role in wars was mostly in medical, the only fight we knew she took place in was with Jiraiya and Orochimaru against Hanzo.

i proved she was on par with the other kage already . Elements are great . And are flashy !! But doesnt matter if i kill an enemy with genjutsu, taijutsu , or ninjutsu , As long as i get the job done . I stated in the o.p that tobirama didnt just change the leaf with the system he created ( ninja academy anbu etc) he changed the world ! other villages copied and installed his system . Same with tsunade her medical system was copied and installed by other villages . Saving countleess lives which made them able to return to the battle field . She changed the whole ninja world like tobirama. As far as her war feats . She was credited with basically winning the 2nd war for the leaf ! Minato was credited with basically winning a war ! Thats the same feat !!! Dowsnt matter how they did it . What matters is they did it . Ive noticed people dont like taijutsu specialist on the base . Cause its not flashy . But if it gets the job done who cares if its genjutsu, ninjutsu, or taijutsu . as long as its effective

 

[purfectic]

i disagree tsunade has lots of combat knowledge . She been thru a few wars . Her intelligence stats are a five , if im not mistaken . As far as power she has that too. She has the strength to kill with a blow , got a summon that spits acid . And can regenrate any organ or body part . Thats powerful ! Killer taijutsu is as good as killer ninjutsu or genjutsu .

The 4 other hokages are focused on combat hashirama's regen is better than hers. Her taijutsu is killer but the speed of tobirama and minato would outdo her. She might beat hiruzen but I'm not sure how she'd fair with the five elements jutsu. Shes powerful but her strong point is medical jutsu.

 

[RicardoA]

also i didnt compare her to hashirama in combat . cause only a few god tier people have a chance against him

Is she mainly close range yes . But so what there are alot of ninja that are long range fighters , mid range etc . That doesnt make them weak . Just depends who can impose there style of fighting on the oppanant . She has ways to close the gap on enemies . She has evasion skills , She has a summon that spits acid , she can make your body malfunction like she did to kabuto . Once again she is super strong , and can tank almost any attack. Has years of fighting experience . As far as tobirama , minato , and hiruzen . Nothing in their arsenal can kill her . But if she lands a single blow she can kill them . So almost every fighter has a weakness . Long range fighters , mid range and short . Her bloodline give her an advantage in battle as well . Being senju and uzumaki makes her dam near impossible to put down . She got life force , chakra endurance for days !!

Nothing of what you typed (regarding Tsunade) was being questioned, the thing is, none of that means she's on par. Once again you're just listing her strenghts w/o paying attention to what the others can do.

Tobirama kills her using his version of ET and/or making her waste chakra by constantly regenerating from FTG induced wounds.
Minato does a similar thing using a rasengan once in a while and/or summons other toads to help. If BM Minato is being taken into account there's literally no possible argument in Tsunade's favour.
We've seen what all the Hokages are worth in battle and how they're portrayed. It really depends on what we're taking into account.

I could make more arguments and go more into detail, but i dislike debating against Tsunade, so i'll stop here unless you really insist

 

[blackstar9]

The 4 other hokages are focused on combat hashirama's regen is better than hers. Her taijutsu is killer but the speed of tobirama and minato would outdo her. She might beat hiruzen but I'm not sure how she'd fair with the five elements jutsu. Shes powerful but her strong point is medical jutsu.

your saying her strong point is medical jutsu like its a weakness . Her medical jutsu is a strength . And would greatly assist her in a battle ! Hashirama regenration is better then hers , but can he heal a whole village No!!!!!!! Yes mianto and tobirama are faster . But she is physically stronger then both of them . Speed doesnt always win although it can . If that was true only fast boxers would win . boxers with knockout power are just as dangerous as the fast guy . They both have an advantage . The fast guy has the speed advantage . The strong guy has the strength advantage . The fast guy could jab me 20 times . But if im the power puncher i just need one hit !

 

[blackstar9]

Nothing of what you typed (regarding Tsunade) was being questioned, the thing is, none of that means she's on par. Once again you're just listing her strenghts w/o paying attention to what the others can do.

Tobirama kills her using his version of ET and/or making her waste chakra by constantly regenerating from FTG induced wounds.
Minato does a similar thing using a rasengan once in a while and/or summons other toads to help. If BM Minato is being taken into account there's literally no possible argument in Tsunade's favour.
We've seen what all the Hokages are worth in battle and how they're portrayed. It really depends on what we're taking into account.

I could make more arguments and go more into detail, but i dislike debating against Tsunade, so i'll stop here unless you really insist

thsi is not a versus thread . So i dint directly compare abilities against each other . If you read the o.p. i said i wasd using certain criteria . I said warfeats, Tsunade clearly is on par with other kage in this department . Sense she was credited with being main reason leaf won 2nd war . I also stated impact on shinobi world , or changing the shinobi world . She is clearly on par with the other kage in this department . Because the medical system she created changed the shinobi world . I mentioned bloodline . Her being half senju and half uzumaki gves her body power!! not going to retype the whole o.p. but you get my point . Once again not a versus thread . if you want to turn it into a vs thread thats different . regarding what you posted about tobirama using e.t. and tiring her out thats meh at best . You dont know what tobirama e.t. jutsu was like . And tsunade being senju and uzumaki . Its going to hard outlast her . YOu mentioned minato and rasengan . Well rasengan aint hurting tsunade . he got frog summon she got slug summon . bm minato is only a edo thing . alive minato didnt have bijuu mode

 

[purfectic]

your saying her strong point is medical jutsu like its a weakness . Her medical jutsu is a strength . And would greatly assist her in a battle ! Hashirama regenration is better then hers , but can he heal a whole village No!!!!!!! Yes mianto and tobirama are faster . But she is physically stronger then both of them . Speed doesnt always win although it can . If that was true only fast boxers would win . boxers with knockout power are just as dangerous as the fast guy . They both have an advantage . The fast guy has the speed advantage . The strong guy has the strength advantage . The fast guy could jab me 20 times . But if im the power puncher i just need one hit !

Heyy you're getting me wrong here tsunade is my fav fem of the series and I think her medical jutsu bests even hashi despite his regen. Shes also powerful in her own right being about to crack madara's susano but realistically when it comes to fighting the other hokages she loses. Even so she still deserves to be hokage she has senju lineage, politically changed the ninja world and is a sannin (more feats than danzo could ever have). It is a shame that she isnt as OP as the other hokages but if she was I'm sure that hashirama would never be considered a legend in the first place.

 

[xxSAGExx]

i proved she was on par with the other kage already . Elements are great . And are flashy !! But doesnt matter if i kill an enemy with genjutsu, taijutsu , or ninjutsu , As long as i get the job done . I stated in the o.p that tobirama didnt just change the leaf with the system he created ( ninja academy anbu etc) he changed the world ! other villages copied and installed his system . Same with tsunade her medical system was copied and installed by other villages . Saving countleess lives which made them able to return to the battle field . She changed the whole ninja world like tobirama. As far as her war feats . She was credited with basically winning the 2nd war for the leaf ! Minato was credited with basically winning a war ! Thats the same feat !!! Dowsnt matter how they did it . What matters is they did it . Ive noticed people dont like taijutsu specialist on the base . Cause its not flashy . But if it gets the job done who cares if its genjutsu, ninjutsu, or taijutsu . as long as its effective

I wasn't discrediting Tsunade's feats just don't think they should be compared to the other Hokages since we all know Kishi doesn't write his female characters as well as he does the male. Can't compare Tsunade creating the medical system to what Tobirama did since he created 3 systems that is used in other villages; Chunin exam, anbu, and the academy. It would be better to compare that to Hashirama creating the village system with some help from Madara.

Tsunade's healing did help them win the war but we know she couldn't save everyone and lost people such as Dan and others while Minato took out the enemies before they can do further damage. Which is better, healing the wounds of those who go hurt or preventing them from getting hurt. This is why I don't think you should compare them, it would just make people say one way is better than the other. We know medical ninjas are important and it's thanks to Tsunade for improving Konoha's medical systems upon her return to Konoha that allow ninjas such as Sakura and Ino to aid their teams.