Establishing Why Tobirama > EMS Madara

[Murasame]

Madara only loses if he fights Tobirama's fight which is CQC and if he doesn't use susanoo otherwise from what's currently shown I don't see Tobirama winning.

 

[moe6142]

Lol, my sides. Now we have people arguing that Tobirama can defeat EMS Madara, w/Kurama......:leaf:

-Tobirama is NOT defeating EMS Madara, with or without Kurama. Even attempting to argue the latter is absurd. He isn't even pushing him past mid difficulty when he has Kurama on his side, in fact its a stomp.

-Tobirama is NOT on EMS Madara's level, definitely not by feats and definitely not by portrayal either. Manga already portrays Madara and Hashirama as the two best of their era. Not Tobirama, Madara and Hashirama. Don't even know where people are getting this one from.

Lets stop overrating him why don't we?

This is all that needs to be said; this thread is ridiculous.

 

[adeshina365]

EjBlack, not even you believe this.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

EjBlack, not even you believe this.

What do you mean? Did you just read the title and gave up?

This threads purpose was to show how Tobirama can rival Madara, it was never to show superiority over the other.

 

[Penguin]

What do you mean? Did you just read the title and gave up?

This threads purpose was to show how Tobirama can rival Madara, it was never to show superiority over the other.

Maybe with my new font, they will take this thread serious.

It seems so. Some people didn't read it and just agreed because it was a huge wall of text, and the ones that did read are mixed.​

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[KingHashirama]

Ems Madara? maybe...

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

i already said that tobirama > EMS madara .

You forget to add Tobirama's Ghost jutsu and other OP techniques.

PS is highly overrated.

 

[KidGamer65]

What do you mean? Did you just read the title and gave up?

This threads purpose was to show how Tobirama can rival Madara, it was never to show superiority over the other.

Except that is BS as well. Tobirama CAN'T rival Madara. Period.

i already said that tobirama > EMS madara .

You forget to add Tobirama's Ghost jutsu and other OP techniques.

PS is highly overrated.

People agree that EMS Madara with Kurama can be rivaled, defeated, or pushed to high difficulty by Tobirama with Edo Tensei and you are saying that PS is overrated?

Smh...

 

[Avinash012]

U did a good job as always but I completly disagree with U,Lawd Tobirama is nowhere near EMS Madara.

 

[Unorthodox]

this thread literally killed especially the first couple pages the tobirama fanboys laugh & giggle about how they're right ohhh wee nb just disgusted me on this thread

ems madara wins neg diff his katon shits all over tobirama's suiton dont know how they're comparable either

 

[Flawž]

^ Someone got their little jimmies rustled.

ohoho

 

[Varrah]

Ya’ know, these ‘establishing threads’ seem to always, perhaps deliberately, fail to accurately scrutinize the opponent that is in question. I cannot agree with his being a “well-written” thread, as it is literally a thread of false alternatives and fallacies of division and composition (as well as more) for Madara. E-jack, you are only establishing ways Tobirama defeats Madara of your own arbitration, and not inspecting the other half of your establishment, Madara. ​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Ya’ know, these ‘establishing threads’ seem to always, perhaps deliberately, fail to accurately scrutinize the opponent that is in question. I cannot agree with his being a “well-written” thread, as it is literally a thread of false alternatives and fallacies of division and composition (as well as more) for Madara. E-jack, you are only establishing ways Tobirama defeats Madara of your own arbitration, and not inspecting the other half of your establishment, Madara. ​

I had to go with the unpopular point of view, as everyone already knows Madara can beat Tobirama. It will be more space and effort to write something everyone else knows. Pointless if you may say.

 

[Varrah]

I had to go with the unpopular point of view, as everyone already knows Madara can beat Tobirama. It will be more space and effort to write something everyone else knows. Pointless if you may say.

For this reason you thought it best to establish a poor arbitration with a weak criterion, which commits several fallacies? Perhaps, you should not have written this thread at all then. ​

 

[Brother Numpsay]

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For this reason you thought it best to establish a poor arbitration with a weak criterion, which commits several fallacies? Perhaps, you should not have written this thread at all then. ​

What was fallacious with my claims? No one here has been specific thus far. Why don't you target the claims. If they are incorrect I will gladly concede.

 

[TrollKing]

Yes because Plot allowed it that way. Feat wise, tobirama is able to Beat EMS madara.

Featwise madara>tobirama. Madara pushed hashirama to his limit. Always toe to toe. Featwise tobirama can't handle hashirama. Unless you start to say tobirama can handle hashirama. "Featwise"=fanlogic, I follow kishi logic

 

[Flawž]

Featwise madara>tobirama. Madara pushed hashirama to his limit. Always toe to toe. Featwise tobirama can't handle hashirama. Unless you start to say tobirama can handle hashirama. "Featwise"=fanlogic, I follow kishi logic

Based on what EMS madara showed, Tobirama has a chance at defeating him. (Kyuubi is restricted obviously)

 

[Conspirator.]

You did actually bring some decent points...but I still firmly believe that ems madara(no kyuubi) wins the vast bulk of the time.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You did actually bring some decent points...but I still firmly believe that ems madara(no kyuubi) wins the vast bulk of the time.

I appreciate you actually reading the thread, with an open mind. Last time you were bashing me on other verses thread topics, without even giving it a chance.

Thats all I ask for people. The title was misleading, but its common thread title if you aware of past "> vs" discussion.

here a rep for you dude.

 

[Conspirator.]

^^lol, last time I just read the title, and then sort of skimmed through.(I didn't read the ins and outs of it.) I do think Tobirama has a chance of winning, but Madara would win most of the time.