[Theory] Establishing a New Kekkei Touta

[Tobi98]

Now ask yourself didn't Naruto use 3 nature elements simultaneously?

And since does that mean it's a KKT?

 

[Ultimateone]

this is still considered a collaboration jutsu not a KKT. the lava and wind did not fuse to create a new element. the lava was enhanced by the wind to create a new effect. had it been a kkt it would have basically made jinton, because as you said he is technically using the same elements. but it matters not as latter we see naruto using gudou dama which is basically a more advanced version of jinton.

 

[Hori]

Nope, you just don't understand that he can't combine Yōton and Futon without another Kekkai Genkai. Actually, it should be impossible to fuse a Kekkai Genkai with another Seishitsuhenka. Hashirama uses his Kekkai Genkai to combine Suiton and Doton. Onoki learned to create the dust-release "Jinton" with fire-release(Katon, earth-release(Doton) and wind-release(Futon).

However, even that's irrelevant, because the name of Narutos Jutsu is still Senpō: Yōton Rasenshuriken. A Kekkai Tōta on the other hand creates something new and independent out of three Seishitsuhenka(chakra-release).
Fire, earth, wind= dust

But if you look at the natures lava is composed of and add the wind that makes about same elements dust release is composed of... naruto is that skilled he can fuse a non basic element with a basic element to create a new one...

 

[Behemoth55]

Now ask yourself didn't Naruto use 3 nature elements simultaneously? [/FONT]

Another wrong implication of yours. Naruto got the Yōton-chakra from Gokū and didn't fuse Katon and Doton on his own. That's impossible, because his body doesn't hold the Kekkai Genkai Yōton. A Kekkai Genkai refers also to a change of genotype.

What you want to suppose is irrelevant too. That's the original name. And the original doesn't differentiate between the basic requirements.
And a Kekkai Tōta consists everytime of three Seishitsuhenka, not two.

 

[Behemoth55]

But if you look at the natures lava is composed of and add the wind that makes about same elements dust release is composed of... naruto is that skilled he can fuse a non basic element with a basic element to create a new one...

No, there is Ketaihenka, Yōton and Futon, not one new element. A new element has new properties, but the S:YFRS uses the trais of Yōton and Futon, huh?

 

[Hori]

No, there is Ketaihenka, Yōton and Futon, not one new element. A new element has new properties, but the S:YFRS uses the trais of Yōton and Futon, huh?

Yes itdoes... infact when you look at this page:

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Here you can see that the wind element made the fire from the lava burst sideways creating a flame like cutting sword. I would say it has new properties since Madara was not able to absorb it and it has more cutting power compared to normal rasenshuriken because it can cut something so big like the god tree. Remember that its filled with wind style tiny blades, flames of the scorth style...

Another wrong implication of yours. Naruto got the Yōton-chakra from Gokū and didn't fuse Katon and Doton on his own. That's impossible, because his body doesn't hold the Kekkai Genkai Yōton. A Kekkai Genkai refers also to a change of genotype.

What you want to suppose is irrelevant too. That's the original name. And the original doesn't differentiate between the basic requirements.
And a Kekkai Tōta consists everytime of three Seishitsuhenka, not two.

I assume you did not understand the video of Yamato there explaining how he uses wood style. Answer me this if someone uses 2 or 3 elements simutaneously and create a new element / jutsu from it, is that a KKG/T?

 

[Mr SwizZz]

One thing is clear, Lava Rasenshuriken is composed of 3 elements: earth, fire,(lava), wind(rasenshuriken).
Simple as that.

In order to produce the shuriken blades, wind must be added to the Rasengan. If it didnt have wind, it would simply be called Lava Rasengan.


Doesnt matter if someone is born with that power to have a KKT or not.

Madara wasnt born with Mokuton or Sage Mode but he can still use them, right?
Right.

This power that Naruto has now it has been given by Hagoromo himself, it does not matter anymore if Naruto was born with something or not, he has GOD powers now, anything is possible.

Combining Lava(earth+fire) with Wind by Naruto himself shouldnt be a problem.
Hagoromo gave Naruto this power now, just like he gave Sasuke the 9-tomoe sharingan.

He isnt Naruto we once knew anymore, he is Naruto with godly powers, way different than Naruto 50 chapters ago, on a whole different level, people need to realize that. lol =D

 

[LilyRose]

At this point, between the combined chakra of all the bijuu, forget Kekkai Touta, he could probably find a way to combine all the elements into a single attack, and what would that even be called? I'm just sitting here waiting for him to start busting out all of the kekkai genkai/touta, plus special abilities of the bijuu and their hosts. And if anyone thinks it can't happen...Naruto Logic : If its impossible, make Naruto pull it off.

My point: Doesn't really matter if it was a true Kekkai Touta or not, he just used someone else's Kekkai Genkai, so all the rules are flying out the window at the speed of Minato.

 

[Behemoth55]

Here you can see that the wind element made the fire from the lava burst sideways creating a flame like cutting sword.

Fits exactly to description of the databook about Futon. You use properties of Futon and Yōton to try to prove you point, but that's pointless, actually. That's not something new. Consider a Kekkai Tōta like Jinton.
I assume you don't understand the meaning behind a Kekkai Genkai. Yamato used Suiton and Doton, but the Kekkai Genkai Mokuton allows him to fuse both Seishitsuhenka and to create trees.
If Kakashi would use Doton and Suiton at the same time, he woudn't create Mokuton.

Naruto didn't create a new element, but a Senpō: Yōton Rasenshuriken/ Senjutsu: Lava-release Wind-release and Keitaihenka in one Jutsu.
If Naruto would connect Doton, Katon and Futon on his own, he would create Jinton. Any new element gets a completely new name, but that's not the case and you try to deny it.

 

[Hori]

Fits exactly to description of the databook about Futon. You use properties of Futon and Yōton to try to prove you point, but that's pointless, actually. That's not something new. Consider a Kekkai Tōta like Jinton.
I assume you don't understand the meaning behind a Kekkai Genkai. Yamato used Suiton and Doton, but the Kekkai Genkai Mokuton allows him to fuse both Seishitsuhenka and to create trees.
If Kakashi would use Doton and Suiton at the same time, he woudn't create Mokuton.

Naruto didn't create a new element, but a Senpō: Yōton Rasenshuriken/ Senjutsu: Lava-release Wind-release and Keitaihenka in one Jutsu.
If Naruto would connect Doton, Katon and Futon on his own, he would create Jinton. Any new element gets a completely new name, but that's not the case and you try to deny it.

Are now I am the one who not sees this? Well look at bold the thing is Kakashi cannot use earth and water at the same time... its impossible for him. So that's invalid, also what must I consider about jinton... seems like an unfinished sentence there. What I am saying here is a kekkei genkai is established when you use 2 elements at the same time... like Yamato said"water on the left hand and earth on the right". Naruto used 3 elements at the same time yet you say he cannot fuse basic elements and a secondary element like lava.. while the manga prooves you wrong.. infact Naruto did use all 3 elements at the same time.. nothing you can say that can change that.

 

[Ultimate Sage Naruto]

Yes you right i agree with you always

 

[Almighty Ra]

I enjoyed the read and ur theory but i have to agree with everyone this isn't a new Kekkei tota or a bloodline selection aka a " a selection of blood inheritance". Kekkei genki is mixing one type of elemental chakra with another, creating a new one unique to the users. Mu was the one we have only been shown to have a Kekkei Tota and he taught Onoki dust release but it's a perplexing situation in his case cuz we don't know if they were related and to teach someone unrelated a Kekkei genki only means Onoki was some how related to to Mu.As for Naruto it's a totally different he has all the 9 tailed beast chakra and with the boost Naruto and Sasuke received from the Sage he's able to speak and tap into the tailed beast abilities and use them with his own. All we know Naruto is wind user but if he had 2 other elements and was able to use them to make a new element like Magnet, blaze, dust, storm or even wood release then it would be a Kekkei Tota. Remember these are moves passed down genetically from clan members we have lil info on Minato's family and we know the Uzumaki clan were know for their fūinjutsu, strong life force and longevity. We have very lil info on them to know if they had any Kekkei Tota or Genki.

 

[Howard]

It's a combination jutsu. Son Goku is the one using the Lava not Naruto. He's not using it himself, it's like how Roshi borrowed Son Goku's power to 'use' Lava Release.

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The fact that he has to borrow Son's Chakra shows this.

 

[Your Creepy Stalker]

The Lava Rasenshuriken isn't a Kekkei Touta. It is a combo of Lava and Wind. I know that Lava is Earth and Fire, but surely if it was an even split of the three, it would be a Jinton Rasenshuriken, which solo's everything. The lava Rasenshuriken is just Lava boosted by wind or WInd boosted by Lava.

KKT is three elements at once, Lava Rasenshuriken is a KKG boosted by wind.

If it was using two tech's at once that made a KKG, then Naruto and Yamato's colaboration tech when they showed up to fight Kakuzu would have frozen everything.

 

[Kabanoid]

I like the theory, and I believe it's possible. Like the other members said agreeing to this, lava wouldn't burst like that. I would call that half-k.t. because basically Naruto used Son Goku's yoton chakra adding to his own futon chakra. Half of it was Son Goku's, not using his own in the whole combination. Nice thread. :3

 

[Mr SwizZz]

The Lava Rasenshuriken isn't a Kekkei Touta. It is a combo of Lava and Wind. I know that Lava is Earth and Fire, but surely if it was an even split of the three, it would be a Jinton Rasenshuriken, which solo's everything.

It solo'd the Shinju.

 

[Hori]

Thanks for all the input you have putted here guys... there is something I wanna clear up also... the thing about that even if you combine 2 nature elements like for example lightning and water.In the movie Naruto Shippuden 3: Inheritors of the Will of Fire, Hiruko had stolen this kekkei genkai from an unknown shinobi through the use of the Chimera Technique. His usage of this nature differs from Darui's. instead of firing laser beams, Hiruko can create and manipulate dark lightning clouds which can also absorb chakra to become larger and more powerful.

So in essence even if you combine water and lightning you wont always find Darui's jutsu but also Hiruko's. My point in saying this its because the use of dust release which uses (wind, earth and fire) doesn't mean if someone uses the sam elments they will create only dust release... suppose for the name of Naruto's kekkei touta would be burst release I got the idea from this page

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[Mephew D Kensei]

the way i sees it it, its not a KKT in all truth Naruto is manipulating qualities of the elements to create a hybrid attack. Seeing as Rasenshriken is similar to a blade type attack adding lava release to this makes it more of a light saber type attack. Yah I said it RS=Blade SYRS=Jedi-i style.