Est Why KCM & BM Arent Boroowed Power

[The Necromancer]

Nope, but a summon is considered as the extension of user's power cuz they summon them using their own chakra to fight on their behalf. Without the user summoning them the summons can't fight on the user's behalf and that's how a summon is not borrowed power.

That's the dumbest argument.

You're just trading the term "borrowed power" for "fighting as a team" which honestly might even be worse.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

That's the dumbest argument.

You're just trading the term "borrowed power" for "fighting as a team" which honestly might even be worse.

Okay...smh.

 

[The Necromancer]

Okay...smh.

I guess you're done then.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I guess you're done then.

Yep. Arguing any further with you is pointless as we won't come to a conclusion, so I'd not waste my efforts.

 

[NarutoX28]

The reasoning is flawed, but I can agree that KCM and BM are something that Naruto earned and should count as his power.

 

[The Necromancer]

Yep. Arguing any further with you is pointless as we won't come to a conclusion, so I'd not waste my efforts.

If you can't understand that Borrowed Power refers to anything the user cannot do on his own without assistance, and that a Summoning Jutsu by definition is calling for abilities the user cannot do on his own, then no amount of factual or logical information will ever get through to you.

The reasoning is flawed, but I can agree that KCM and BM are something that Naruto earned and should count as his power.

Sure, if you consider me befriending Dwayne the Rock Johnson and asking him to help win all my bar fights as earned power that I possess.

 

[SSU]

That doesn't mean it's not borrowed power.

It means that Ashura's and Naruto's abilities come directly from borrowed power, which is kind of the opposite point this thread is trying to make.

I guess I forgot to point out that I agree that it IS borrowed power. Ashura needed others to get stronger to match up with Indra.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

If you can't understand that Borrowed Power refers to anything the user cannot do on his own without assistance, and that a Summoning Jutsu by definition is calling for abilities the user cannot do on his own, then no amount of factual or logical information will ever get through to you.



Sure, if you consider me befriending Dwayne the Rock Johnson and asking him to help win all my bar fights as earned power that I possess.

A summoning is within the realm of user's power that's what you are not understanding. And hence he argument is pointless.

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

The reasoning is flawed, but I can agree that KCM and BM are something that Naruto earned and should count as his power.

The most sensible answer.

 

[take it easy]

This isnt borrowed power because Naruto never had intents to return it back to Kurama. Simple and clear.

 

[The Necromancer]

A summoning is within the realm of user's power that's what you are not understanding. And hence he argument is pointless.

I understand perfectly, I'm just not dumb enough to believe that Naruto and Gamabunta are one singular entity with one singular consciousness. Because if they're not, it's a team fight, which by definition is borrowed power regardless of whether Gamabunta walked there, or took a magic door.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

I understand perfectly, I'm just not dumb enough to believe that Naruto and Gamabunta are one singular entity with one singular consciousness. Because if they're not, it's a team fight, which by definition is borrowed power.

Gamabunta can't fight without Naruto summoning him....

 

[The Necromancer]

Gamabunta can't fight without Naruto summoning him....

Pretty sure he knows how to walk.

This is pathetic. Are you really saying that you believe the only thing separating one's own power and borrowed power is a summoning jutsu?

Gamabunta walking one mile to fight with Naruto = Borrowed
Gamabunta being summoned one mile to fight with Naruto = Naruto's power?

 

[NarutoX28]

Sure, if you consider me befriending Dwayne the Rock Johnson and asking him to help win all my bar fights as earned power that I possess.

Befriending Dwayne the Rock Johnson takes significantly less work than cooperating with Kurama and using his chakra at the fullest extent, not to mention that Naruto can utilize Kurama's Chakra at any given moment due to obtaining the ability to do so whereas the same doesn't apply to asking help from a friend. Can you summon Dwayne the Rock Johnson? No. There's no such ability and it's completely unrealistic to summon a human being in the first place.

Quite frankly, Summons and Edo Tensei are considered legitimate yet Naruto using Bijuu Mode isn't? It's still an ability he earned, so it should be legitimate regardless.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

Pretty sure he knows how to walk.

Did you just negged me lol?
Alright, so are we done now?
Cuz I don't like talking to people who get butthurt over an argument.

 

[The Necromancer]

Befriending Dwayne the Rock Johnson takes significantly less work than cooperating with Kurama and using his chakra at the fullest extent, not to mention that Naruto can utilize Kurama's Chakra at any given moment due to obtaining the ability to do so whereas the same doesn't apply to asking help from a friend. Can you summon Dwayne the Rock Johnson? No. There's no such ability and it's completely unrealistic to summon a human being in the first place.

Quite frankly, Summons and Edo Tensei are considered legitimate yet Naruto using Bijuu Mode isn't? It's still an ability he earned, so it should be legitimate regardless.

Summons and Edo Tensei are not legitimate.

So you want to say that the transition from one's own power to borrowed power is equally correlated with effort?

So if Naruto befriended Kaguya without any effort, it would be borrowed power while if Sasuke had to smooth talk Kaguya for years it would be earned? Where's the logic in that?

Did you just negged me lol?
Alright, so are we done now?
Cuz I don't like talking to people who get butthurt over an argument.

And I don't like talking to people who can't understand the most simple of arguments.

If Naruto's not doing it alone, it's borrowed power. Period.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

And I don't like talking to people who can't understand the most simple of arguments.

If Naruto's not doing it alone, it's borrowed power. Period.

I don't like losers who want to impose their opinions on others. Unfortunately there are quite a few of you in the base...:wesobi:

 

[The Necromancer]

I don't like losers who want to impose their opinions on others. Unfortunately there are quite a few of you in the base...:wesobi:

It's not an opinion, it's a fact that two people doing one job constitutes a combining of abilities, which again by definition is borrowed power.

Is Naruto a giant toad? No? Then I guess he had a borrowed ability otherwise unattainable without outside support against Shukaku.

 

[Darth AniCetuS]

It's not an opinion, it's a fact that two people doing one job constitutes a combining of abilities, which again by definition is borrowed power.

Is Naruto a giant toad? No? Then I guess he had a borrowed ability otherwise unattainable without outside support against Shukaku.

As I said before, its pointless to argue as we won't come to a conclusion as I do not share your opinion. Can we leave it at that and not drag this any further?

 

[ComplexCity]

Except summonings are borrowed power too.

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OT: It's not borrowed power even though Kurama has the ability to borrow Kurama's chakara