Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

[madara san]

good post except you tried to throw out your predictions as facts. there is no evidence that orochimaru will rise as a villain again, all the proof points in the opposite direction. he is outclassed by sasuke even at full strength and it will be a cold day in hell before sasuke just sits there and lets orochiamaru pwn him.

I know i should've stuck in an 'imho' i know, I just think it would be like poetic irony if it was Orochimaru who was to bring them ultimately together again, since it was him who fuelled their separation so much in the beginning. As for your assertions to his weakness/inability to compete with Sasuke at this stage, many fine folks have already disputed that. He has been restored completely and now has Edo control of four of the strongest characters in the history of Naruto...I'm not in line with the people who suggest he might use them in some sort of all out attack on the shinobi alliance and juubi/madara/obito...he's smarter than that. But please, give him more credit...he definitely has earned it. Look what he achieved in the last chapter alone. He's an evil genius!!

 

[BossManKakashi]

I know i should've stuck in an 'imho' i know, I just think it would be like poetic irony if it was Orochimaru who was to bring them ultimately together again, since it was him who fuelled their separation so much in the beginning. As for your assertions to his weakness/inability to compete with Sasuke at this stage, many fine folks have already disputed that. He has been restored completely and now has Edo control of four of the strongest characters in the history of Naruto...I'm not in line with the people who suggest he might use them in some sort of all out attack on the shinobi alliance and juubi/madara/obito...he's smarter than that. But please, give him more credit...he definitely has earned it. Look what he achieved in the last chapter alone. He's an evil genius!!

I can definitely see how orochimaru is pushing them together again but to me it has just seemed as though orochimaru has accepted a back seat role to sasuke (who has been powered up tremendously and has been shown how to release edo tensei by itachi) oro has no ambitions to take over the war like you said which was spot on. ems sasuke is just too much for oro i think. the next chapter will be very telling (hopefully) in regards to what kishimoto has planned for the edo hokages. if orochimaru is shown to control them in battle i will eat my words but i dont think kishi is gonna let his golden boy sasuke be outshined by orochimaru.

 

[Raiten Uchiha]

Lee fodderized Edo Madara???

do us all a favour and delete your account U_U

HE did rip right through him like it was nothing... If he was alive, he'd have died with his fight with the Kage.

 

[BREAKD]

1. It isnt stated but it is implied by orochimaru when he tells suigetsu that he is no longer "hebi". this obviously signifies that it no longer matters what orochimarus wishes are as they are team "taka" with sasuke in charge. plus, sasuke is no dumbass and kishimoto wouldnt waste all the time he spent developing his character just so orochimaru steam rolls him. also worth noting that sasuke has seen the seals to release edo tensei.

2. considering a kyuubi filled hinata was able to repel a juubi arm with a simple jutsu it doesnt take a rocket scientist to infer what gai and kakashi would be capable of with the same power. not to mention the hundreds of other shinobi who have the been infused with the chakra. sorry but the hokages even as edo have a snowballs chance in hell of winning that battle. there are plenty of qualified sealing shinobi in the alliance to clean things up.
3. thats right cause its the truth you cant even come up with a rebuttal without sounding like a fanboy
4. point of this thread clearly states that orochimaru isnt the strongest force in the manga right now, even if by some miraculous stroke of luck he does take the plot no jutsu away from sasuke, which just isnt going to happen.
5. nagato killed jiraiya, actually crushed the leaf, all solo. orochimaru with 2 edo hokages couldnt even accomplish a fraction of that why now when the heroes are at their strongest would the results be any different for oro?
6. umm we dont even know orochimaru is a villain yet he has had barely any panel time and has only done things to support sasuke. why dont you wait till kishimoto tells us what happens before you blindly assume things based on your fanboyism.
7. Many shinobi have surpassed 4 tail state so many shinobi have the power to kill oro.
8. that is maybe one of the most illogical and poorly worded arguments i have heard. MY point if you failed to grasp it was, why would kishimoto waste his time giving orochimaru a power up when the power up wouldnt even make him stronger than the heroes. talk about a waste of everyones time.

Why is everyone assuming that sasuke is going to go good? he will be the post war villain all signs indicate that he will continue his revenge so that should be used as the assumption until there is evidence otherwise.

If you discarded your blind fanboyism you might actually realize the logic here and when it comes to pass you will feel much less stupid.

Here we go, gonna do this a little shorter cause i just dont wanna waste all my
typing time defending one of my least favorite characters. and spending it on a
hater.

1) The "hebi-taka" refers to the fact that suigetsu and juugo are no longer under Orochimaru's control, cant help but the notice that this is loose from the fact wether Orochimaru is under Sasuke's control or not.

2) I do not see how you can compare, An army of shinobi with 4 of the strongest men in konoha history which we allmost know nothing about? you are basing this on wild assumptions and a comparison game. well I can play that too. Concidering Hashi defeated Madara and Madara solo'd the 5 kages (the 5 strongest shinobi currently alive and known off) I think hashi can handle some kids with a bit of the 9tails chackra

3)Now your just being arrogant my friend I dont wanna argue with that cause I have no business getting a itachi/Sasuke fanclub on my neck. Just not worth it

4) Like states before, i handed you this point.

5) 4 Hokages

6) Like i said before, this is a theory of mine. My opinion on oro getting reintroduced is so Kishi has a way out if the war ends and he wants the story to continue. You got no hero story without a villain.

7) I dont know where you read this, but it sure off hell isnt in any manga that I know off. Jiraya could hardly handle 4 tailed Naruto. So now your implementing that many of the shinobi are at sannin level?

8) Whats illogical about this? pure mathematics. you implement that they got a power up and there for are stronger then the hokages. The hokages get a power up too (edo tensei = infinite chakra/stamina)
Now lets put this all in a mathematical order

Kyuubi power up = X * 10 = 10X
Edo tensei power up = X * INFINITE = INFITE X

INFITE X > 10X, right?
Or did i spend 6 years doing high level math for nothing?


I never assumed Sasuke was going going and last but not least (again).

Like stated above, I am everything except a orochimaru fanboy so please
stop acting like you know everybody and everything about the manga
let Kishi decide what happens and maybe try anger management.
It should relief some of the hate in you

Have a nice day good sir!

 

[BossManKakashi]

Here we go, gonna do this a little shorter cause i just dont wanna waste all my
typing time defending one of my least favorite characters. and spending it on a
hater.

1) The "hebi-taka" refers to the fact that suigetsu and juugo are no longer under Orochimaru's control, cant help but the notice that this is loose from the fact wether Orochimaru is under Sasuke's control or not.

2) I do not see how you can compare, An army of shinobi with 4 of the strongest men in konoha history which we allmost know nothing about? you are basing this on wild assumptions and a comparison game. well I can play that too. Concidering Hashi defeated Madara and Madara solo'd the 5 kages (the 5 strongest shinobi currently alive and known off) I think hashi can handle some kids with a bit of the 9tails chackra

3)Now your just being arrogant my friend I dont wanna argue with that cause I have no business getting a itachi/Sasuke fanclub on my neck. Just not worth it

4) Like states before, i handed you this point.

5) 4 Hokages

6) Like i said before, this is a theory of mine. My opinion on oro getting reintroduced is so Kishi has a way out if the war ends and he wants the story to continue. You got no hero story without a villain.

7) I dont know where you read this, but it sure off hell isnt in any manga that I know off. Jiraya could hardly handle 4 tailed Naruto. So now your implementing that many of the shinobi are at sannin level?

8) Whats illogical about this? pure mathematics. you implement that they got a power up and there for are stronger then the hokages. The hokages get a power up too (edo tensei = infinite chakra/stamina)
Now lets put this all in a mathematical order

Kyuubi power up = X * 10 = 10X
Edo tensei power up = X * INFINITE = INFITE X

INFITE X > 10X, right?
Or did i spend 6 years doing high level math for nothing?


I never assumed Sasuke was going going and last but not least (again).

Like stated above, I am everything except a orochimaru fanboy so please
stop acting like you know everybody and everything about the manga
let Kishi decide what happens and maybe try anger management.
It should relief some of the hate in you

Have a nice day good sir!

1. well it certainly shows his authority in the scenario. if oro is so powerful as you claim he is not the type to take orders from anyone.
2. well since lee kicked edo madara in half effortlessly (who is stronger now than when alive) i think the whole alliance with the same power up could destroy all 4 hokages with minimal losses. how many past kages has the alliance already defeated without the kyuubi power up?? 4 more is really not that big of a problem. point being why would kishi make give oro that power up when the heroes are already facing a greater threat?? its anticlimatic and wont happen. kishi is better then that.
3. ok sorry that was a little ignorant of me to talk ****.
4. fair enough.
5. sorry but you are arguing a clearly losing point on this one. orochimaru gaining 4 hokages does not give him enough power to be the strongest and certainly doesnt outclass obito and the JUUBI with an edo rinnengan madara. most people seem to be so blinded that they forget the juubi fires freaking nuclear missles out of its mouth.
6. what about sasuke? he should clearly be front runner for main villain at this point. just got an EMS and you are telling me he is gonna go soft before he uses it? not bloody likely.
7. Itachi, sasuke, killer b, nagato, naruto, Gaara, A, Oonoki, to name a few past sannin level.
8. umm no edo doesnt infinitely power up the shinobi it increases stamina and durability not power numb nuts. and no offense but judging from your little equation there it doesnt really seem like you have spent 6 years doing anything but smoking the reefers.

good day to you as well, I will forgive your attempt to instigate me on a personal level.

 

[Sannin no chikarada]

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here it is indirectly said that Orochimaru with kabuto researched his body....we already know Oro gave the mokuton to Danzou, so it was him to further research madaras body infused with Hashiramas cells ...in order to revive Madara with the rinnegan....that is what he wants after all

 

[Ngylle]

This reminded me when kabuto became overpower, noone wanted to accept that he +his army solo!

But now Orochimaru its beyon soling!

 

[BossManKakashi]

This reminded me when kabuto became overpower, noone wanted to accept that he +his army solo!

But now Orochimaru its beyon soling!

kabuto and his army didnt solo ****. next please.

 

[BossManKakashi]

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here it is indirectly said that Orochimaru with kabuto researched his body....we already know Oro gave the mokuton to Danzou, so it was him to further research madaras body infused with Hashiramas cells ...in order to revive Madara with the rinnegan....that is what he wants after all

nicely played, i agree with you now except i think oros goal was to get sasuke so he could awaken rinnegan in him and steal his body not to revive madara.

 

[Ngylle]

kabuto and his army didnt solo ****. next please.

he god overconfident over his mighty!

 

[Deadai]

I wouldn't say Orochimaru is the strongest but he is defiantly high top 10 now I am unsure on his placement yet need to see what he can do with the edo's first.

 

[BossManKakashi]

I wouldn't say Orochimaru is the strongest but he is defiantly high top 10 now I am unsure on his placement yet need to see what he can do with the edo's first.

agreed. we need more information on this subject before we could even think of declaring him the most powerful.

 

[LeEvilTongue]

I'll tell you why he is the strongest using A<B<C logic:

Your favourite character < Mortality < Orochimaru

 

[BossManKakashi]

I'll tell you why he is the strongest using A<B<C logic:

Your favourite character < Mortality < Orochimaru

oro is mortal he hasnt died yet just sealed. get it together!

 

[Sannin no chikarada]

Ok, I can live with that

 

[Vexorian]

As much as you hate Orochimaru, he's about to throw his hat in the ring. He now has control of the 4 Hokage, and has his arms back. Guess we'll find out huh.

 

[Itachi Rane]

The problem with orochimaru is that he cannot be killed......he may not be physically strong....but he is highly intelligent......and that is something even naruto lacks....naruto may have a huge amount of chakra thanks to kurama but he lacks the intelligence, analysis ability and is far from being a skilled ninja.....he doesn't have that creativity in his techs.....but oro has a lot of skills, he basically has the knowledge acquired from his research in the field of ninja arts...he has studied most jutsus to the core so he also knows a way to counter every jutsu...and the only ninja who has ever able to strike FEAR in orochimaru was uchiha itachi....

 

[Itachi Rane]

Oro will be a tough opponent....he is a guy one simply cannot get rid of..l..he even defied death so many times....ever since the reaper seal was used by the 3rd to seal his hands...he started to find out a possible way to reverse the seal and eventually found out a way...as we can all see from ch 618....yes...its true that the techs belong to the uzumaki but i don't think someone in oro's place coukd have figured it out and eventually end up recovering his lost arms along with four hokages.....and even escape death from shinigami by using a soul transfer jutsu.....he evolced the white snke power and finally has reached a level where he can't be a human anymore......he is a monster...but a monster who is perhaps the greatest genius the shinobi world has ever known........

 

[Itachi Rane]

And from my point of view, orochimaru is a FAR BETTER NINJA than naruto.....at least he doesn't rely on another source of power......

 

[Itachi15]

oro is a strong character but i've kinda seen enough of him i dont really want him to come back with a huge role in naruto, he did his parts now he needs to just help sasuke abit and die again or leave either way this **** gettin boring of him "dying" then coming back again and again like a troll that wont shut up its just gonna ruin oro imo i hope that hes gonna have a nice ending this time and wont come back from it