Enough of orochimaru being the strongest

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

Oro doesn't have 4 hokages under his control that is speculation, Considering oro is a pile of goop on the floor right now he is far from controlling the hokages . That requires a talisman and if you think oro is beating ems sasuke to that you are crazy.
Oro with the hokages would lose to shinobi alliance so him having that power would be pointless anyways is my point genius.
Simply stating something with a bad attitude doesn't make it true. So bring facts logic or proof with you next time

Lol i didn't even state anything that wasn't fact. Yeah controlling the hokages requires a talisman but you don't think oro can easily pull one out? You really think Sasuke is going to try to stop him? You're being illogical. Oro posessed the body of a zetsu. He isn't a "pile of goop on the floor" you're just being a retard. Obviously the 4 hokages cant solo the entire shinobi alliance, this **** is incredibly obvious. That isn't the point you were making in this thread though, your point was that Oro isn't that strong and is overrated. So nice fail there.

dudnt matta he kiled deth he iz gawd

Seriously though, he cut up death. Let us fanboys have our time. Rock Lee fanboys had there's last week, God knows they deserved it, let us Orochimaru fanboys have ours. It's been 500 some-odd chapters and Orochimaru finally got his Jutsu back.

I know i don't know why people feel the need to downplay him after he came back from the dead and literally stole part of his soul back from god damn DEATH.

He's back with use of his arms and just summoned 4 hokages with edo tensei....cmon guys...not a good time to be underestimating the snake man.

I'm not saying he's like #1 or anything there's people who can beat him but I think this brought him up to top 10, top 15 at the very least. People were arguing he was top 10 BEFORE this happened, but personally before this I didn't believe that.

 

[Ngylle]

Only a closed minded or a Hater will not recognized how much of a freaking thread had orochimaru become.

The Guy has the Freaking kage that madara its Buthurt and just does not stop talking about him!
and adding to the equation he has the second fastest character as his sleeves and Hiruzen whom can summon the demon reaper!

People are blinding themself very high, the freaking kages are not going to rebelled because orochimaru had all kabuto's info and updated knowledge, he knows what must be done to stop that from hapenning, Also sasuke its not ****ing going to rebelled until he hears what the kages has to say!.

People its just the buthurt people can not accept the reality because must of their favorties characters had been trolled by orochimaru and are noting more than a bunch of BITCHES!

Prime Oro+ Kages Solo

 

[Ngylle]

oh well

 

[The Great Second Hokage]

Pro is certainly one of the strongest but 'the' strongest? Eh debatable he's definitely top 5 for me

 

[Honoured path of six]

r u retard

all the hokages are edo tensei, and minato probably has 1/2 of kyuubi's power if orchimaru controls them sasuke cannot win against him

minato can deal with naruto KM and many others
edo hashirama vs edo madara toooo much
oro still have hiruzen and tobirama

what makes you think he is not strongest with all of them

half the kuyubi was not sealed inside minato... It was inside the belly of the death god... And when oro cut open it's belly.. It's content spilled out... Meaning naruto will soon get a power up...cos i think that half the kuyubi that was sealed will return to kuyubi... Jus like oro's arms returned to him... And when this half returns to kurama... It is same as it coming to naruto... I wanted to make a thread about it. But hey! I ain't got enuff posts... Sheet happens

 

[BossManKakashi]

Only a closed minded or a Hater will not recognized how much of a freaking thread had orochimaru become.

The Guy has the Freaking kage that madara its Buthurt and just does not stop talking about him!
and adding to the equation he has the second fastest character as his sleeves and Hiruzen whom can summon the demon reaper!

People are blinding themself very high, the freaking kages are not going to rebelled because orochimaru had all kabuto's info and updated knowledge, he knows what must be done to stop that from hapenning, Also sasuke its not ****ing going to rebelled until he hears what the kages has to say!.

People its just the buthurt people can not accept the reality because must of their favorties characters had been trolled by orochimaru and are noting more than a bunch of BITCHES!

Prime Oro+ Kages Solo

There is no proof yet what oro can do with the hokages so why don't you hold your horses till kishimoto tells us what's up. Logically there is no point for oro to have a power up he is strictly here to power up sasuke

 

[Pwner10144]

wow this thread turned heavy, nevertheless he is not the strongest,anyone who says he is is either a fan or does not have a brain and simply just thinks becuase orochimaru has now got 4 edo hokages on his side one of them being hashi who we think defeated madara, this somehow means he is strongest ever ,okay i get that but what about the 2nd?he was the one who started this jutsu so he might know how to escape it,if not sasuke can use genjutsu on orochimaru and end it in a instant like the one he used on donzu.

However i still believe that kishi has either made a mistake or might just be hiding the real plot for orochimaru because, he made oro say he does care about the war?okay so lets see he will be happy living in a infinite genjutsu controlled by madara,i dont think so, so thats the reason he bought back the past hokage's to make sure that madara does not win and besides nothing apart from them could challenge madara to his limits.i still think orochimaru wants to get all jutsu to make him self complete otherwise his life does not serve a purpose , he is still a snake but now with a soft side, who knows he might take madara's body and then kill everyone, perhaps unlikely but he is still here for a reason.

To conclude oro is not the strongest i would say sasuke and madara are just becuase they can use some sort of genjutsu.U_U

 

[Ero sennin jiraiya]

There is no proof yet what oro can do with the hokages so why don't you hold your horses till kishimoto tells us what's up. Logically there is no point for oro to have a power up he is strictly here to power up sasuke

No point in Oro getting a power up? He's a longtime antagonist in the series and has been there from the start. Even once the Akatsuki starting making moves he was still one of the main villains. Him getting a power up isn't any different from when obito went and got Nagato's rinnegan.

Edo Tensei is a jutsu we've already seen Orochimaru use and we've already seen him use 2 of the hokages in combat so there really is no question of "what he can do" with them. It's already been shown with half of them and there's no reason why he can't use Minato and Hiruzen as well.

 

[BREAKD]

Orochimaru is not the strongest shinobi in history for the love of god..

1. Sasuke is in control of the whole scenario if anything he will be the one who is strongest.
2. Nine tails army > 4 hokages
3. Oro isn't going to rise as a main antagonist again, sasuke can own orochimaru now with ems if itachi could with ms. There are no control talismans on the hokages and sasuke isnt gonna let him control those hokages. Believe that.
4. Where can you find one shred of evidence that oro is definitively better than jiraiya? I say this cause there are lots of ninja better than jiraiya meaning your boy oro isn't even top 5
5. Oro < Nagato
6. The main villain is by and far Madara uchia.. He been running game and manipulatin the whole shinobi world since before orochimarus parents were even born. Madara is the real OG you know this.
7. Oro stated he could be killed by 4 tails naruto, what do you think km naruto could do?
8. Even if orochimaru controls the hokages, What do you think that GAI and Kakashi naruto with kurama chakra share and lets say sai for sealing would do to oro and the 4 hokages? Considering rock lee fodderized edo Madara team naruto would crush them with imputiny.

Orochimaru isn't the greatest shinobi of all time, face it.
Ps maybe you aren't creepy but being an oro fanboy connotates "creepy"

Prize of hater of the year goes to...

Now for the facts:
1) Where was it ever stated that Sasuke is in contol of the situation? at best he is just gonna
put his uchiha ass on the ground and listen blindly to the stories the previous kages have
to tell and wont even be listening/paying attention to what the rest is doing.
2) Again where do you get these facts? For all we know Yondaime was able to take out whole armies,
we dont know very much about Hashi or Tobirama in terms jutsu in fact the only things we DO know
is that Hashi was able to stop Madara, wich relates to the next step, madara was able to stop the 5 KAGES
at ease. And then there is Hiruzen, the god of shinobi. I think with that there is enough said.
3) Not even gonna comment at this
4) I must hand it to you, that you are right about this. I think its futile arguing about this. They were both
considered sannin, a term based on skill level meaning that they should be equal in amounts of skill and or
battle experience
5) Nagato > everybody 1on1, your argument is invalid
6) Madara is probably gonna get his ass whooped before Orochimaru, wich leaves Orochimaru as the last 'villain'
(Using the word 'last' instead of 'main' here, cause we dont know what he will be up to later on)
7) He didnt have his arms back then. ARgument is invalid
8) Seeing the kyuubi chakras handed out to everybody just enhance chakra (give more) your argument is yet again,
yes you guessed good, INVALID. Edo tensei bodies have an unlimited amount of chakra and stamina. Now here comes
in the math, INFINITE APPLES > EXTRA NUMBER OF APPLES. Thus the 4 hokages have unlimited chakra.
And coming back at your 'fodderizing point', Lee just kicked true a dead body which recovered 5 seconds later.
What is useful about dodging an attack that does no harm to you at all? Again, argument concidered INVALID

Minato has said to have been surpassed by naruto, so now he couldn't take on km naruto plus others, that's absurdity at its finest.
You are speculating about who is gonna get kuramas other half. Stop it.
Kurama filled alliance could stomp edo hokages quite easily if they can stop the Juubi plus Madara and obito.

And who says they can stop the juubi and co. ? You are talking like the battle is allready over my dear friend
in fact, im guessing this thing is just getting started

There is no proof yet what oro can do with the hokages so why don't you hold your horses till kishimoto tells us what's up. Logically there is no point for oro to have a power up he is strictly here to power up sasuke

And there actually is a proof of what he can do with HALF of the kages standing before him (refers to the konoha destruction arc.)

I am no Orochimaru fanboy at all, but I am of the idea that Kishi brought Oro back to have an exit point
when the war is over and he wants to continue the series (yes villains are needed to give a series about
a hero some action and viewers).
As stated I pled not guilty for being an Orochimaru fan boy, as the avatar gives away I like somebody els.
But i just resent the fact that brainless, haters start posting threads based on fantasies accompanied with
some drop dead random sentences ripped out of the manga.

Let us all continue watching Oro's steps and discus later on
Sorry for the long post

CHEERS!

 

[zamki]

But he is one of he strongest now_U

 

[BossManKakashi]

Prize of hater of the year goes to...

Now for the facts:
1) Where was it ever stated that Sasuke is in contol of the situation? at best he is just gonna
put his uchiha ass on the ground and listen blindly to the stories the previous kages have
to tell and wont even be listening/paying attention to what the rest is doing.
2) Again where do you get these facts? For all we know Yondaime was able to take out whole armies,
we dont know very much about Hashi or Tobirama in terms jutsu in fact the only things we DO know
is that Hashi was able to stop Madara, wich relates to the next step, madara was able to stop the 5 KAGES
at ease. And then there is Hiruzen, the god of shinobi. I think with that there is enough said.
3) Not even gonna comment at this
4) I must hand it to you, that you are right about this. I think its futile arguing about this. They were both
considered sannin, a term based on skill level meaning that they should be equal in amounts of skill and or
battle experience
5) Nagato > everybody 1on1, your argument is invalid
6) Madara is probably gonna get his ass whooped before Orochimaru, wich leaves Orochimaru as the last 'villain'
(Using the word 'last' instead of 'main' here, cause we dont know what he will be up to later on)
7) He didnt have his arms back then. ARgument is invalid
8) Seeing the kyuubi chakras handed out to everybody just enhance chakra (give more) your argument is yet again,
yes you guessed good, INVALID. Edo tensei bodies have an unlimited amount of chakra and stamina. Now here comes
in the math, INFINITE APPLES > EXTRA NUMBER OF APPLES. Thus the 4 hokages have unlimited chakra.
And coming back at your 'fodderizing point', Lee just kicked true a dead body which recovered 5 seconds later.
What is useful about dodging an attack that does no harm to you at all? Again, argument concidered INVALID



And who says they can stop the juubi and co. ? You are talking like the battle is allready over my dear friend
in fact, im guessing this thing is just getting started



And there actually is a proof of what he can do with HALF of the kages standing before him (refers to the konoha destruction arc.)

I am no Orochimaru fanboy at all, but I am of the idea that Kishi brought Oro back to have an exit point
when the war is over and he wants to continue the series (yes villains are needed to give a series about
a hero some action and viewers).
As stated I pled not guilty for being an Orochimaru fan boy, as the avatar gives away I like somebody els.
But i just resent the fact that brainless, haters start posting threads based on fantasies accompanied with
some drop dead random sentences ripped out of the manga.

Let us all continue watching Oro's steps and discus later on
Sorry for the long post

CHEERS!

1. It isnt stated but it is implied by orochimaru when he tells suigetsu that he is no longer "hebi". this obviously signifies that it no longer matters what orochimarus wishes are as they are team "taka" with sasuke in charge. plus, sasuke is no dumbass and kishimoto wouldnt waste all the time he spent developing his character just so orochimaru steam rolls him. also worth noting that sasuke has seen the seals to release edo tensei.

2. considering a kyuubi filled hinata was able to repel a juubi arm with a simple jutsu it doesnt take a rocket scientist to infer what gai and kakashi would be capable of with the same power. not to mention the hundreds of other shinobi who have the been infused with the chakra. sorry but the hokages even as edo have a snowballs chance in hell of winning that battle. there are plenty of qualified sealing shinobi in the alliance to clean things up.
3. thats right cause its the truth you cant even come up with a rebuttal without sounding like a fanboy
4. point of this thread clearly states that orochimaru isnt the strongest force in the manga right now, even if by some miraculous stroke of luck he does take the plot no jutsu away from sasuke, which just isnt going to happen.
5. nagato killed jiraiya, actually crushed the leaf, all solo. orochimaru with 2 edo hokages couldnt even accomplish a fraction of that why now when the heroes are at their strongest would the results be any different for oro?
6. umm we dont even know orochimaru is a villain yet he has had barely any panel time and has only done things to support sasuke. why dont you wait till kishimoto tells us what happens before you blindly assume things based on your fanboyism.
7. Many shinobi have surpassed 4 tail state so many shinobi have the power to kill oro.
8. that is maybe one of the most illogical and poorly worded arguments i have heard. MY point if you failed to grasp it was, why would kishimoto waste his time giving orochimaru a power up when the power up wouldnt even make him stronger than the heroes. talk about a waste of everyones time.

Why is everyone assuming that sasuke is going to go good? he will be the post war villain all signs indicate that he will continue his revenge so that should be used as the assumption until there is evidence otherwise.

If you discarded your blind fanboyism you might actually realize the logic here and when it comes to pass you will feel much less stupid.

 

[BossManKakashi]

No point in Oro getting a power up? He's a longtime antagonist in the series and has been there from the start. Even once the Akatsuki starting making moves he was still one of the main villains. Him getting a power up isn't any different from when obito went and got Nagato's rinnegan.

Edo Tensei is a jutsu we've already seen Orochimaru use and we've already seen him use 2 of the hokages in combat so there really is no question of "what he can do" with them. It's already been shown with half of them and there's no reason why he can't use Minato and Hiruzen as well.

man im sorry but orochimaru has said himself that he has no business in the war, he only wants sasukes body and admitted himself he doesnt have enough power to take it. orochimaru is not back at full strength a small portion of his chakra was revived from leftover chakra he left in anko and kabuto. most of his power is sealed in the totsuka blade until kishimoto says otherwise.

 

[BodyFlicker]

Orochimaru because he wouldn't let Edo Tensei roam free :|

this^^

 

[BodyFlicker]

current Orochimaru can easily beat Itachi....

 

[BossManKakashi]

current Orochimaru can easily beat Itachi....

ridiculously off topic and baseless, thanks for sharing though.

 

[Sannin no chikarada]

Eh, no Orochimaru is the main antagonist and manipulator...He even had Madara Uchiha´s body prepared to use it as an edo...if it wasn´t for edo tensei, Madara wouldn´t be here....

 

[madara san]

I think the most important asset to the major villains in this series has been knowledge. Both Madara and Orochimaru have been supreme in their preparations and work behind the scenes, so to speak. They have manipulated situations from the beginning. If you want to compare strengths in a purely one on one scenario/fair fight, then Madara is the strongest villain. However i cannot deny Orochimaru his due. He has survived and persisted more than anyone, and has not shown all his cards yet. Madara has made his move and gone all out, but Orochimaru will be there to reap the rewards once everything in the War subsides. His combat abilities are not the only things he can use. I think overall he is the most dangerous shinobi. He is certainly the best and most effective villain and will be the force that ultimately brings Naruto and Sasuke into their final conflict.

 

[BossManKakashi]

Eh, no Orochimaru is the main antagonist and manipulator...He even had Madara Uchiha´s body prepared to use it as an edo...if it wasn´t for edo tensei, Madara wouldn´t be here....

Nowhere in the manga has it been stated that orochimaru is the one who prepared madara as an edo tensei, the credit has been solely given to kabuto. and no sorry orochimaru ended up being a lesser villain than madara, nagato, and obito and one could argue kabutomaru as well.

 

[BossManKakashi]

I think the most important asset to the major villains in this series has been knowledge. Both Madara and Orochimaru have been supreme in their preparations and work behind the scenes, so to speak. They have manipulated situations from the beginning. If you want to compare strengths in a purely one on one scenario/fair fight, then Madara is the strongest villain. However i cannot deny Orochimaru his due. He has survived and persisted more than anyone, and has not shown all his cards yet. Madara has made his move and gone all out, but Orochimaru will be there to reap the rewards once everything in the War subsides. His combat abilities are not the only things he can use. I think overall he is the most dangerous shinobi. He is certainly the best and most effective villain and will be the force that ultimately brings Naruto and Sasuke into their final conflict.

good post except you tried to throw out your predictions as facts. there is no evidence that orochimaru will rise as a villain again, all the proof points in the opposite direction. he is outclassed by sasuke even at full strength and it will be a cold day in hell before sasuke just sits there and lets orochiamaru pwn him.

 

[julia maltellak]

i know right he just needs some salt and a jar of deart