EMS Sasuke VS Killer Bee

[LuckyMan]

Sasuke wins high diff.

Lol at people saying KB would own him on CQC like last time. EMS Precog --> Tags Juubito. He can keep up with KB on CQC now, and thanks to KB's restrictions on bijuu chakra he gets the upper hand.

Sasuke was in Susanoo where he doesn't need to physically react or move his limbs. He controls Susanoo with his mind, or lets just say his mental reactions. On the ground in an CQC fight with Bee he needs to physically react as well as mentally and move his limbs and body in according to Bee's assault. Having the precog to see Bee is useless if his own body can't react to the speeds at which Bee's body moves Madara stated Sasuke's movements were fluid and good, but that doesn't mean they're better than Bee's.

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Sasuke didn't have the bodily speeds to react to Bee then and nothing suggests he has it now so he still loses.

 

[Draegod]

Dojutsu's strength relies on the strength of your chakra within your brain. Sasuke's development of a superior dojutsu (EMS) implies that the Chakra within his brain is stronger which makes sense considering Itachi's Chakra is mixed with his own. He also developed the Choku Tomoe which implies a greater chakra quality overall which correlates to higher movement speed in general.

Not to mention his MS self struggled keeping up Killer Bee whereas his EMS self literally was complimented by a guy who trashed Tobirama.



You're misinterpreting what they're saying. The development of stronger Dojutsu implies your chakra quality increases overall. If Sasuke had access to the MS at that given point in time, speed-wise, 3T Sasuke would = MS Sasuke as he already developed the chakra gained from awakening the Mangekyo. If he didn't have the Mangekyo at the time and developed it later, then MS Sasuke > 3T Sasuke (Against Itachi).

Movement speed does not equal Better CQC skills what do you all not get. lol The problem with Bee's attack isn't it being to fast, it is not read able in the sense all areas of your body are a victum for strikes which is why Itachi (one of the best in CQC) oppted to retreat instead of countering and dying like sasuke did. Speed/Shunshin has nothing to do with CQC. Aye in "V2" is faster then Guy in 6/7 gate yet does not compare in CQC since he cannot move his body nor fight fast the same way he moves his feat.

More chakra does not equal Better CQC skills unless specifically stated, Aye with Bijuu level chakra doesn't get any better in CQC. You guys logic makes no sense nor is it comparable in the manga.

 

[Draegod]

Sasuke was in Susanoo where he doesn't need to physically react or move his limbs. He controls Susanoo with his mind, or lets just say his mental reactions. On the ground in an CQC fight with Bee he needs to physically react as well as mentally and move his limbs and body in according to Bee's assault. Having the precog to see Bee is useless if his own body can't react to the speeds at which Bee's body moves Madara stated Sasuke's movements were fluid and good, but that doesn't mean they're better than Bee's.

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Sasuke didn't have the bodily speeds to react to Bee then and nothing suggests he has it now so he still loses.

Exactly! As oppose to Adult sasuke; Even though he has less Chakra then Rikudo Yin younger sasuke, he trained and has a better body and thus will whoop Young sasukes ass in CQC with out question! They don't get that the body and training is what makes your CQC better (unless you have sage mode that specially states makes you stronger and more dangerous in CQC)

 

[LuckyMan]

Exactly! As oppose to Adult sasuke; Even though he has less Chakra then Rikudo Yin younger sasuke, he trained and has a better body and thus will whoop Young sasukes ass in CQC with out question! They don't get that the body and training is what makes your CQC better (unless you have sage mode that specially states makes you stronger and more dangerous in CQC)

They don't understand the exact mechanics of the sharingan, which is ironic. No one's saying Bee negs Sasuke again, but Sasuke's eyes being able to see the movement of the swords better and how Bee throws them around isn't going to magically allow his body to move at the same speed or greater than Bee's body to counter those swords and stop Bee's taijutsu assault. Sasuke will lose, but not be embarrassed like the first time. Bee would take it mid difficulty.

 

[Draegod]

They don't understand the exact mechanics of the sharingan, which is ironic. No one's saying Bee negs Sasuke again, but Sasuke's eyes being able to see the movement of the swords better and how Bee throws them around isn't going to magically allow his body to move at the same speed or greater than Bee's body to counter those swords and stop Bee's taijutsu assault. Sasuke will lose, but not be embarrassed like the first time. Bee would take it mid difficulty.

And this is all assuming Sasuke attempts to fight and defend against it. Bee also has army of Ink clones as fodder to help as well.

 

[Apêx1]

lol No it doesn't! Sakura had the biggest chakra jump bar rikudo characters yet her CQC did not improve. Chakra just makes you stronger, not trains your body instantly. haha Bee didnt use Lightning chakra against itachi simple as that, yet we know for a fact he can and when he does owns any standard weapon based on manga facts.

Sasuke received Itachi's chakra when he implanted his eyes. That's a huge chakra potency boost, Sasuke himself states he can feel the huge power-up. I know you hate Uchiha's but stop trying to outright deny a manga fact. Stronger chakra=better overall stats. Bee didn't use Lightning chakra because plot, in the same way Mifune didn't use chakra versus Hanzo. But using Raiton doesn't improve his skill, it just means he has sharper weapons to use. Not sure how that is supposed to help your argument since Sasuke having Raiton puts us back to square one.

Dojutsu's strength relies on the strength of your chakra within your brain. Sasuke's development of a superior dojutsu (EMS) implies that the Chakra within his brain is stronger which makes sense considering Itachi's Chakra is mixed with his own. He also developed the Choku Tomoe which implies a greater chakra quality overall which correlates to higher movement speed in general.

Not to mention his MS self struggled keeping up Killer Bee whereas his EMS self literally was complimented by a guy who trashed Tobirama.



You're misinterpreting what they're saying. The development of stronger Dojutsu implies your chakra quality increases overall. If Sasuke had access to the MS at that given point in time, speed-wise, 3T Sasuke would = MS Sasuke as he already developed the chakra gained from awakening the Mangekyo. If he didn't have the Mangekyo at the time and developed it later, then MS Sasuke > 3T Sasuke (Against Itachi).

Agreed on pretty much everything, except where you said MS Sasuke using 3T is the same. Using your MS instead of your 3T still boosts your chakra potency in the same way upping your Susano versions increases chakra potency. It's not as big of a boost but it's still a boost. When using 3t in MS he was already more potent then when he was CM2 3T

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[LuckyMan]

Sasuke received Itachi's chakra when he implanted his eyes. That's a huge chakra potency boost, Sasuke himself states he can feel the huge power-up. I know you hate Uchiha's but stop trying to outright deny a manga fact. Stronger chakra=better overall stats. Bee didn't use Lightning chakra because plot, in the same way Mifune didn't use chakra versus Hanzo. But using Raiton doesn't improve his skill, it just means he has sharper weapons to use. Not sure how that is supposed to help your argument since Sasuke having Raiton puts us back to square one.

What are the better overall stats that Sasuke attained that allow him to Beat Bee in CQC?

 

[Apêx1]

What are the better overall stats that Sasuke attained that allow him to Beat Bee in CQC?

Movement so fluid that it's complimented by Madara (due to the Choku tomoe), and forcing Madara to use his own body to stop an attack. Attaining Itachi's chakra power which in turn gives him much higher stats. Much better perception due to EMS. Not bing tired like last time, as stated by Jugo. Clearly, there's nothing which puts Bee as capable of dealing with Sasuke.

 

[Haizaki]

Sasuke wins of course...Btw, Itachi only dodged B's 7 swords dance. He never used a Kunai. Give the fan fic a break.

 

[NarutoX28]

Movement speed does not equal Better CQC skills what do you all not get. lol The problem with Bee's attack isn't it being to fast, it is not read able in the sense all areas of your body are a victum for strikes which is why Itachi (one of the best in CQC) oppted to retreat instead of countering and dying like sasuke did. Speed/Shunshin has nothing to do with CQC. Aye in "V2" is faster then Guy in 6/7 gate yet does not compare in CQC since he cannot move his body nor fight fast the same way he moves his feat.

Movement speed = Higher reaction speed which is a key component in CQC. This was even emphasized during P1 where Lee mentioned that Sasuke's lack of body speed is what hindered him in their battle.

Generally, fast people are usually the ones with a high Shunshin, so in that regard, it would imply that they have a high body speed which correlates to higher reaction speed.

More chakra does not equal Better CQC skills unless specifically stated, Aye with Bijuu level chakra doesn't get any better in CQC. You guys logic makes no sense nor is it comparable in the manga.

Being able to release a higher volume of chakra is generally an indication of strength.

Even then, we're all referring to Chakra Quality which enhances body speed.

 

[EZQ]

Sasuke was in Susanoo where he doesn't need to physically react or move his limbs. He controls Susanoo with his mind, or lets just say his mental reactions. On the ground in an CQC fight with Bee he needs to physically react as well as mentally and move his limbs and body in according to Bee's assault. Having the precog to see Bee is useless if his own body can't react to the speeds at which Bee's body moves Madara stated Sasuke's movements were fluid and good, but that doesn't mean they're better than Bee's.

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Sasuke didn't have the bodily speeds to react to Bee then and nothing suggests he has it now so he still loses.

Well i guess there's a point you have. Sasuke did improve his physicall reaction too during the war arc tho.

 

[LuckyMan]

Movement so fluid that it's complimented by Madara (due to the Choku tomoe), and forcing Madara to use his own body to stop an attack. Attaining Itachi's chakra power which in turn gives him much higher stats. Much better perception due to EMS. Not bing tired like last time, as stated by Jugo. Clearly, there's nothing which puts Bee as capable of dealing with Sasuke.

For the last time, Madaras compliment doesn't mean his movements are better than Bee's so stop brining it up. For the last time, he didn't force Madara to block, Madara didn't have eyes and was toying with him, unless you think EMS Sasuke stands a chance against EMS Madara in CQC, or a Madara with SM, or a Madara with Ridoku chakra and SM. I ask again, what "much higher stats" are you referring to because whatever you're thinking increased probably won't factor into this fight. For the last time, EMS precognition is useless since Bee's body is trained and conditioned far better than Sasukes. He can move his body faster than Sasuke can move his so Sasuke seeing or copying his movements mean nothing since he can't move at those speeds to even counter or defend, like Lee explained. I posted the panel earlier of you want to recap on it.

Everything is restricted for Sasuke except his Chidori so it's basically a CQC fight. Sasukes speed, strength, taijutsu, stamina, and kenjutsu stats are still inferior to Bee's even with this alleged EMS stat increase so you tell me how he overcomes Bee because clearly there's nothing which puts Sasuke as capable of dealing with Bee.

Well i guess there's a point you have. Sasuke did improve his physicall reaction too during the war arc tho.

I agree, he did, put certainly not over the likes of Killer Bee. If anyone thinks otherwise I'd like to see the feats.

 

[Draegod]

Sasuke wins of course...Btw, Itachi only dodged B's 7 swords dance. He never used a Kunai. Give the fan fic a break.

How and reasons?

 

[Haizaki]

How and reasons?

Reason that he wins or the Itachi Kunai bit?

 

[Apêx1]

Sasuke wins of course...Btw, Itachi only dodged B's 7 swords dance. He never used a Kunai. Give the fan fic a break.

Check the sounds and marks [

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For the last time, Madaras compliment doesn't mean his movements are better than Bee's so stop brining it up. For the last time, he didn't force Madara to block, Madara didn't have eyes and was toying with him, unless you think EMS Sasuke stands a chance against EMS Madara in CQC, or a Madara with SM, or a Madara with Ridoku chakra and SM. I ask again, what "much higher stats" are you referring to because whatever you're thinking increased probably won't factor into this fight. For the last time, EMS precognition is useless since Bee's body is trained and conditioned far better than Sasukes. He can move his body faster than Sasuke can move his so Sasuke seeing or copying his movements mean nothing since he can't move at those speeds to even counter or defend, like Lee explained. I posted the panel earlier of you want to recap on it.

Everything is restricted for Sasuke except his Chidori so it's basically a CQC fight. Sasukes speed, strength, taijutsu, stamina, and kenjutsu stats are still inferior to Bee's even with this alleged EMS stat increase so you tell me how he overcomes Bee because clearly there's nothing which puts Sasuke as capable of dealing with Bee.



I agree, he did, put certainly not over the likes of Killer Bee. If anyone thinks otherwise I'd like to see the feats.

So all baseless counters with nothing to back them up? Dodging>Using his arm. Yet he used his arm. Right after Sasuke screamt "die" almost as if he knew that attack would connect. Anything you say is pretty irrelevant since you can't debunk Madara needing to use his own arm to block that final attack. The compliment is obviously due to that, he moves well. This alone is enough to stomp Bee. Sasuke is obviously much faster then Bee in every way after the chakra boost from EMS. His reaction speed>>Bee's. His pre-cog>>Bee's eyes. His speed as per Madara attack>>>>Bee's speed. You tell me why Bee can handle him despite the fact that he's much faster, and he already did decently when he was tired from his Itachi fight, had much weaker perceptive skill and lower overall stats.

 

[Haizaki]

Check the sounds and marks [

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Check the sound marks

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SFX makes it painfully obvious for a first class dummy like you that there's no weapon but still we have those marks with "SHING" by the SFX.

Don't we love how the "Kaching" sound mark comes up when Itachi's already jumped away? :roll eyes: ..Next time get your eyes checked and look where the sound mark's next to...Bee's sword. Where was the Kunai though? We see Sasuke's sword making it clear that a sword was used against the sword dance. You're using soundmarks from B's sword as proof that Itachi was using a Kunai? Sit down kid.

 

[Apêx1]

Check the sound marks

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SFX makes it painfully obvious for a first class dummy like you that there's no weapon but still we have those marks with "SHING" by the SFX.

Don't we love how the "Kaching" sound mark comes up when Itachi's already jumped away? :roll eyes: ..Next time get your eyes checked and look where the sound mark's next to...Bee's sword. Where was the Kunai though? We see Sasuke's sword making it clear that a sword was used against the sword dance. You're using soundmarks from B's sword as proof that Itachi was using a Kunai? Sit down kid.

Oh lord, this is just hilarious. Let me red box the hit marks for your dumbass to see. It's pretty funny you think Bee's sword makes Kla Kla and Kachingg sounds without hitting anything, rofl.

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NOTICE that there are two hit marks in the KACHINGG panel, so saying there was a jump before that is laughable. FYI we dictate Gai hit Madara via hit marks;

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[Haizaki]

Oh lord, this is just hilarious. Let me red box the hit marks for your dumbass to see. It's pretty funny you think Bee's sword makes Kla Kla and Kachingg sounds without hitting anything, rofl.

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NOTICE that there are two hit marks in the KACHINGG panel, so saying there was a jump before that is laughable. FYI we dictate Gai hit Madara via hit marks;

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Lol...

That's not an indication pal...Unless you think right when B landed, Sasuke caused all these AT THE SAME TIME and Sasuke didn't make contact clearly shown.( Especially when you look that the distance between his sword and the one caused in the yellow box indicated by the purple arrow)

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Not to mention anyone with common sense can tell the clear difference in regards to that hit mark and the one in the Gai scan clearly showing the hit surrounding hit hand and leg...You can't even see his leg and hand when the hit mark comes up(Well common sense isn't common these days)


That scan in the red you showed is similar to the hit marks made in the middle panel of the box(Lee's Kunai and Madara's Gudodoama created it despite only firing their weapons)

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. Not to mention Naruto as well created it despite doing nothing lmao (His headband)

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[Apêx1]

Lol...

That's not an indication pal...Unless you think right when B landed, Sasuke caused all these AT THE SAME TIME and Sasuke didn't make contact clearly shown.( Especially when you look that the distance between his sword and the one caused in the yellow box indicated by the purple arrow)

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Not to mention anyone with common sense can tell the clear difference in regards to that hit mark and the one in the Gai scan clearly showing the hit surrounding hit hand and leg...You can even see his leg and hand when the hit mark comes up(Well common sense isn't common these days)


That scan in the red is similar to the hit marks made in the middle panel of the box(Lee's Kunai and Madara's Gudodoama created it despite only firing their weapons)

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. Not to mention Naruto as well created it despite doing nothing lmao (His headband)

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Here's Itachi's Kunai

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I won't bother with the rest, anyone with common sense would realise I am right based on the sounds and marks. Marks happening for other reasons doesn't make these marks irrelevant.

 

[Haizaki]

Here's Itachi's Kunai

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I won't bother with the rest, anyone with common sense would realise I am right based on the sounds and marks. Marks happening for other reasons doesn't make these marks irrelevant.

Hey people, I decided to do Apex a big favor? You know what it is...Showing Apex where Itachi's hand was with his Kunai(according to him) and where the hit marks where..Jesus.

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Oh, where was the Kunai when he landed on the bird? No Kunai shown but Kishi thought it was nice to show Sauske's sword during the clash but not in Itachi's case. Somehow we have different hit marks in different places but the person causing them is not even close to them according to you...So much for deflecting it.