EMS Sasuke vs EMS Madara

[NLee]

With EMS hes stronger, but without it? Certainly not. He just slaughtered a couple of randoms, but was forced to use EMS rather quickly. Not to mention that even with that Naruto (base), Gaara, Onooki managed to overpower him. As he himself said, "it was too much". You cant really disregard it.

In his little brawl with the alliance, he didn't say "it was too much" as in it was too much for him to handle. He said it because he was mocking Naruto for his attempt to land an attack on him because it was such an overkill attack. Why would Madara say that it's too much if he had the power to negate it all along? It doesn't make sense when you think about it that way. Also, the combined efforts of Onoki, Gaara, and Naruto is not to be taken lightly.

It still doesn't sway me from the rest of my post. In the end, it's my opinion that Sasuke wouldn't even scratch Madara. Perhaps I'm exaggerating it a bit, perhaps not. However, no offense, but there's nothing you can say to make me change my mind. I stand by my claim that Madara is leagues above Sasuke.

The gap in power from Itachi and Sasuke is likely the same parallel as the gap in power from Madara and Itachi. Sasuke was an Uchiha genius. Yeah, and so was Itachi, and so was Madara. That puts Madara on a different level from Sasuke. It really is that simple.

Even with his EMS it doesn't fill the vast gap in power. A dojutsu upgrade isn't going to make Sasuke stronger than Base Sharingan Madara. If the EMS was such a strong boost in power, then why isn't EMS Sasuke stronger than MS Itachi? It's because when it all boils down to it, it's about their overall stats and skills and that is where the difference is between Sasuke and Madara

 

[NLee]

Also, you are talking like Sasuke is some inexperienced kid. Although Madaras experience is greater, Sasuke already fought against several powerful shinobis. 99,99% of ninjas wont be able to gather as much experience as he already has in their lifetime.

The latest chapters have already proven that Sasuke is still immature and hotheaded. In battles to the death, being rash can cost you your life. Especially when you're fighting against people such as Madara (or SM Kabuto in the recent chapters). Against people like these, even the smallest mistake can kill you. If Itachi wasn't there to protect Sasuke, then he would already be dead because of his impatience and inability to think things through. I think we can all agree on at least that much

 

[Turson]

He said it because he was mocking Naruto for his attempt to land an attack on him because it was such an overkill attack. Why would Madara say that it's too much if he had the power to negate it all along?

It was too much for him with in EMS state. Thats why he was forced to use Rinnegan. Besides, Naruto wasnt even able to hear him in that situation, he was saying this to himself.

The gap in power from Itachi and Sasuke is likely the same parallel as the gap in power from Madara and Itachi. Sasuke was an Uchiha genius. Yeah, and so was Itachi, and so was Madara. That puts Madara on a different level from Sasuke. It really is that simple.

I dont know if it slipped your mind, but Sasuke was also aknowledged as genius by several people.

A dojutsu upgrade isn't going to make Sasuke stronger than Base Sharingan Madara.

Its obvious that EMS Sasuke would pwn Madara in such state. Like I said, Madara was forced to use EMS rather quickly. I saw nothing that would allow him to even touch Sasuke.

The latest chapters have already proven that Sasuke is still immature and hotheaded

Hes hot headed becuase he wants to talk with Itachi as fast as possible. When hes fighting against people neutral too him, like Deidara, hes able to keep his cool.

 

[NLee]

I dont know if it slipped your mind, but Sasuke was also aknowledged by genius by several people.

I don't know if you read it or not, but I said Sasuke was a genius. I fail to see the point in a retort if you're only going to repeat what I explicitly said in my post.

Its obvious that EMS Sasuke would pwn Madara in such state. Like I said, Madara was forced to use EMS rather quickly. I saw nothing that would allow him to even touch Sasuke.

How it that obvious? EMS is less than MS Itachi. And MS Itachi defeating Base Sharingan Madara could be a hefty debate in itself. It is by no means obvious.

Hes hot headed becuase he wants to talk with Itachi as fast as possible. When hes fighting against people neutral too him, like Deidara, hes able to keep his cool.

It doesn't matter what the circumstances are. The fact that he's immature enough to be hotheaded in such a situation already proves how rash he is. Look at Itachi. He is also in a haste to hurry up and end the Edo Tensei. The entire shinobi alliance is on the line right now. Every second that goes by, people can be dying. But does he jump into the battle without thinking things through? No, he doesn't. If Itachi is able to keep his cool with the pressure of an entire war on his back, then saying that Sasuke is being hotheaded just because he wants to talk with Itachi isn't even up for debate. There's no justification in that logic at all.

 

[Turson]

I fail to see the point in a retort if you're only going to repeat what I explicitly said in my post.

Whats the fuss about? Take it easy. It just slipped my attention.

How it that obvious?

We already seen what base Madara was able to do. He was forced to use EMS rather quickly. Killing a couple of randoms is hardly a feat, Sasuke slaughtered whole army of them during his training with Oro.

It doesn't matter what the circumstances are.

Of course they matter. Sasuke was able to keep his cool when he fought againt Deidara and Orochimaru. Also, when he fought againt Danzo. Danzo lost mainly becuase Sasuke tricked, outsmarted him.

 

[NLee]

Whats the fuss about? Take it easy. It just slipped my attention

There's no fuss at all. I didn't know you missed it. My bad

We already seen what base Madara was able to do. He was forced to use EMS rather quickly. Killing a couple of randoms is hardly a feat, Sasuke slaughtered whole army of them during his training with Oro.

I almost sounds like you're saying that Madara is reliant on his EMS. If this was true, then what was he like before he got it? He was a genius all his life, and by manga accounts he was the strongest Uchiha to ever have lived. Sasuke was a genius at a young age and we saw his development. We saw how skilled an Uchiha prodigy can be since Part 1 and they are very very talented. Itachi was an even greater genius than Sasuke. Go one step further, Madara was even greater than that. Even before his EMS he was a force to be reckoned with.

Of course they matter. Sasuke was able to keep his cool when he fought againt Deidara and Orochimaru. Also, when he fought againt Danzo. Danzo lost mainly becuase Sasuke tricked, outsmarted him.

No, it doesn't matter. A level-headed shinobi keeps his cool at all times. Even if he's enraged he doesn't jump into a fight like he did with Kabuto. Itachi had to save him more than once so far.

And you didn't respond to the rest of my sub-post. If Itachi can keep his cool when he has the lives of the alliance on his back, then there is no excuse for Sasuke to lose his cool just because he wants to talk to Itachi. This in itself shows how immature he still is. And like I said, in a high-level fight against an experienced opponent even the smallest mistake can cost you your life. This kind of thing would not fly with Madara. The slightest opening will be ruthlessly exploited.

 

[Turson]

I almost sounds like you're saying that Madara is reliant on his EMS.

As manga proves, he is reliant to it when it comes to fighting against really powerful shinobis.

If this was true, then what was he like before he got it? He was a genius all his life, and by manga accounts he was the strongest Uchiha to ever have lived.

He was part of Uchiha clan, fighitng alongside them. I never said that he was weak, but he was aknolwedged as clan leader only after he awakened MS.

No, it doesn't matter. A level-headed shinobi keeps his cool at all times.

I beg to differ. For example, Hiruzen couldnt bring himslef to kill Orochimaru when he was abondoning the village, even though he knew that Oro killed several Konohas civilians and shinobis. Oro even slaughtered two ANBUS on his eyes. Almost every shinobi has some weak point.

For Itachi it was Sasuke.

For Madara it was Hashirama. He had, and probably still has complex of him. ->

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For Sasuke its Itachi, and his clan as a whole.

 

[NLee]

As manga proves, he is reliant to it when it comes to fighting against really powerful shinobis.

He was part of Uchiha clan, fighitng alongside them. I never said that he was weak, but he was aknolwedged as clan leader only after he awakened MS.

Even if he did use his EMS, my point is even without it he is still one of the most powerful opponents anyone can face.

As for him becoming clan leader after MS, yeah that's true. I didn't say that it wasn't. But again, the point is even before awakening the MS he was genius among geniuses. Just like how Sasuke was a naturally gifted prodigy, and just like how Itachi was a once-in-a-decade type genius, Madara was also one of these kinds of shinobi.

I beg to differ. For example, Hiruzen couldnt bring himslef to kill Orochimaru when he was abondoning the village, even though he knew that Oro killed several Konohas civilians and shinobis. Oro even slaughtered two ANBUS on his eyes. Almost every shinobi has some weak point.

For Itachi it was Sasuke.

For Madara it was Hashirama. He had, and probably still has complex of him. ->

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For Sasuke its Itachi, and his clan as a whole.

What I was getting at was being hothead and jumping into battle. Of course there are times when emotions can be a factor. Ninjas aren't cold-blooded killers after all. But what I'm talking about here is that Sasuke is a rash child. Even if he has the EMS, it doesn't change that he is a kid. Sure, he's demonstrated the ability to be analytic here and there, but unless he's able to keep his cool when he fights, it is evidence that he is still immature.

It doesn't matter what the reason is, a ninja should not jump into a fight without thinking about the situation. That's what Sasuke's been doing in the fight against Kabuto and that's what I'm talking about. And even if he has a reason to want to end the fight early, well, so does Itachi. Itachi's reason is even greater - the longer he takes to end the Edo Tensei, the more alliance shinobi die. If Itachi can be mature enough to realize this and keep his cool, then Sasuke has no excuse to be so reckless just because he wants to talk to his brother. It's no excuse at all

 

[Prince Charles]

you guys are still on this? obviously ems madara

 

[Turson]

Even if he did use his EMS, my point is even without it he is still one of the most powerful opponents anyone can face.

Seeing how he was doing against allied shinobi forces I cant agree with that. Hi displayed some cools skills, but it wasnt even close to aknolwdege him as one of the most powerful shinobis. When really strong shinobis started to fight him he had to use EMS almost right away.

Even if he has the EMS, it doesn't change that he is a kid.

Like I said, every shinobi has some weak point, and for Sasuke its Itachi and his clan. In normal conditions hes cool headed shinobi with high level strategy abilities.

 

[USSJ Future Trunks]

madara is painfully overestimated. we've seen much more of sasuke so we can firmly tell hes the strongest uchiha ever born in terms of potential.
sasuke has better variety of attacks, better use of his EMS (we have only seen madara spam a weaker susano than what sasuke has), better feats, better intelligence and better taijutsu.

 

[Memoria]

you guys are still on this? obviously ems madara

It seems someone can't accept the fact.

 

[TheSages456]

the man who soloed prime onoki and muu at the same time with his ems kills sasuke with mid difficulty at most. the only reason madara isnt using ems is so sasuke can show what it can do.

 

[ThEpRoMiSeDlAnD]

You guys realize this is Madara your talking about, the uchiha based got and ever since he came back he's been the naruto basedgod. He practically originated the EMS and perfected it. In fact he perfected it so much that he evolved it to the Rin (wether he needed senju DNA to do it is debatable but IMO even if he did I'm pretty sure the ems still needed to be developed before it could go to the Rin). Madara has the ultimate susanoo and was one of the first uchiha to use it, which leads me to believe he knows all of the strengths and weaknesses of it.

Sasuke is good hell he's really good for being 16 and maybe one day in the future when he gets older and matures he will reach and maybe even surpass madaras ems but right now I don't see it happening. All of sasukes experience means nothing when compared to madaras mountain of experience. Madaras job was to fight everyday EVERYDAY with no days off. Not only was his job to fight but it was to fight with the other ninja clan that is said to be one of the two most powerful ninja clans. This means he woke up shit shower shaved and then got ready to go to the office (a war zone filled with constant death and destruction) In his business the weak were killed off and the strong survive. And he was the best of them. Sasuke would be overwhelmed if he ever went up against Madara (ems or Rin).

 

[ThEpRoMiSeDlAnD]

madara is painfully overestimated. we've seen much more of sasuke so we can firmly tell hes the strongest uchiha ever born in terms of potential.
sasuke has better variety of attacks, better use of his EMS (we have only seen madara spam a weaker susano than what sasuke has), better feats, better intelligence and better taijutsu.

Umm IMO Madaras has fewer feats but they are far more significant, he soloed oonoki and muu and fought the first hokage to a draw many times. And I think your way off in the intelligence department, both are geniuses but IMO Madara is on another level, I mean come on he was a general and a military genius. And I seriously think you are tripping if you can just flat out say sasuke has better taijutsu than Madara, as I said before madaras job was to fight and his hobby was sparring with izuna for hours a day, from what the manga showed if say Madara is more skilled in kenjutsu as seen when he "danced" through the 4 division like it was nothing. People may overrate Madara but can you blame them after seeing what he's doing to the kage right now.

 

[Kratos of cruxis]

Madara>sasuke clearly

 

[MrLukyso]

madara is painfully overestimated. we've seen much more of sasuke so we can firmly tell hes the strongest uchiha ever born in terms of potential.
sasuke has better variety of attacks, better use of his EMS (we have only seen madara spam a weaker susano than what sasuke has), better feats, better intelligence and better taijutsu.

Are you idiot ? First is first, Madara is the legend, the strongest uchiha ever, if it wasn't for Madara Uchihas would be scums right now. Madara has strongest Katon, strongest EMS I mean he knows the most about it and he was first one to get it plus he progressed beyond EMS you know what that means ? EMS is too weak for Madara right now.. Madara is not using full Susanoo, because he doesn't need it, Kages barely broke the first state of it.. Madara has ten times better intelligence and 20 times better Taijutsu than sasuke, to to mention feats lol, Gtfo fanboy.

 

[Omnom]

Is there even a question here? :| EMS Madara, by a LONG shot.

 

[Altair2309]

experience gives this one to Madara

 

[Beta1]

People voting Itachi is either Sasuke fanboy or Madara haters.
My 2nd fav character is Sasuke but we all know Madara would win. Not pwn or destroy but win.
People are saying Sasuke have more jutsus. HOW THE HELL DO YOU KNOW THAT? We haven't seen Madara fight half as much as Sasuke.

Madara uses MS ans Wood style now because it's better than the rest of his jutsus. Just like Sasuke. Ever since he got MS He have rarely used Chidori or Fire jutsus. There just no need.


Madara like Sasuke was a genius before MS. The onæy huge thing he have that Sasuke lack is experience.


Clearly Madara wins v.v